https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215260502 AndyS (10,339 posts)
MSNBC, Ari Melber just did a fantastic report on the AR15.
I'm sure it will be available on MSNBC.com tomorrow or youtube.
Extremely educational and explanatory as well as exploding gunner myths.
It IS a military weapon, it not defensive, it IS designed specifically to put as many killing rounds down range as fast as possible.
It is not a 'modern sporting rifle' which is a made up term to re-define a gun designed to meet a pentagon request for quote to replace the M-14 infantry rifle.
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Yes, the AR-15 was designed to replace the M-14.
However, the difference is that rifle that the Military adopted was renamed the M-16; and then Armalite and Mr. Stoner, removed the Select Fire (For any dummies reading that means a switch that allows the operator to toggle from "Safe" to "Semi" to "Auto/Burst") function from the AR-15 and sold it to civilians.
So the AR-15 that one can buy in the US
is not the rifle adopted by the militaryuponit7771 (75,285 posts)
4. K&R, All Pistol Grip Rifle or anything close should be banned. They're designed for mass kills
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 08:57 PM
Star Member RainCaster (7,217 posts)
35. It's not the pistol grip that kills, its the velocity
When those high velocity shells hit soft human tissue, they explode. The small (0.253) entrance wound becomes a 6 inch wound within three inches of flesh depth. These are designed for one thing only, and that is to kill with maximum efficiency. It ain't the grip- it's the tiny bullet backed by a huge-ass shell full of high velocity powder. That produces a tiny bullet which moves at a ridiculous velocity. That has the power to kill anything it hits simply because of it's destructive kinetic power.
Yes, I use this type of weapon for killing small rodents on my farm. I will never use the larger caliber weapons, which IMHO, are only designed to kill humans. (FYI, I only use 0.17 caliber) If you are using an assault rifle for hunting, you are a piss-poor excuse for a hunter. A 30.06 is more than enough to kill a deer or elk. Your need for an AR-15 is based on the bullshit you have been eating from the NRA.
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Response to RainCaster (Reply #35)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 09:04 PM
Star Member uponit7771 (75,285 posts)
38. True, but its the pistol grip that allows for easier aiming while rapid shot at hip level. Germans
... wouldn't have called it an assault rifle without it and the automatic aspects.
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #38)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 09:12 PM
Star Member RainCaster (7,217 posts)
39. Agreed. It's the automatic feature that makes it more deadly...
Along with the deep magazines that allow more rounds to be shot before reloading. I'm OK with a bolt-action system that gives me a very accurate shot, but realistically no more than 3 shots in ten seconds. If I can't kill by the second shot, I've done something very wrong. I used to have an automatic rifle- I'm better off with my bolt-action, more accurate by design.
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Response to RainCaster (Reply #39)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 09:18 PM
Star Member uponit7771 (75,285 posts)
42. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
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This exchange demonstrates several levels of stupidity.
1. This shooter had an "automatic" AR-15? That's news to me... seems unlikely
2. A .223/5.56 is a large caliber weapon? Who knew my .22 LR from my youth was actually a large caliber weapon...
3. Raincaster had an automatic rifle?
Are these idiots conflating auto and semi-auto again?joshcryer (61,636 posts)
5. It's the .223 or 5.56 bullet that is what makes it so lethal.
Read any YouTube comments on these bullets (review videos, watermelon tests, etc) and you'll see creepy comments calling them "communist erasers" and bragging about their lethality toward humans.
All of the worst mass shootings are done by these high velocity bullets that just ravage the body when they hit them. They are designed to kill.
Actually one of the worst mass shootings was commited with 9mm handguns....
This idiot seems to believe that all rounds aren't designed to kill. All depends where on the body someone is shot.
Zeitghost (28 posts)
13. Not quite
The .223 Remington cartridge and the 5.56mm military cartridge that is based on it are fairly mild mannered rifle rounds that have less power than most traditional rifle cartridges you might find in hunting rifle. It is generally considered a "varmint round" suitable for ground squirrels and coyote and in many jurisdictions it is not legal for deer hunting due to a lack of power. It's primary reason for being chosen as a military cartridge had to do with it's lighter weight when compared to 7.62mm or the old .30-06, which allowed soldiers to carry a full load of ammunition at a much lighter weight.
Not trying to defend the use or ownership of the AR-15 by civilians. Simply trying to shed some light on the subject. Carbines like the AR-15 or the AK-47 were designed specifically to fire less powerful ammunition than other rifles.
uh oh... This DUmmie is trying to educate They will gang up on him soon enough
Straw Man (5,466 posts)
8. There's a problem with one of Ari's characterizations.
It IS a military weapon, it not defensive, it IS designed specifically to put as many killing rounds down range as fast as possible.
The military version is capable of firing in full-auto mode, in other words, like a machine gun. As long as the trigger is held, the gun will fire continuously, at the cyclic rate of 950 rounds-per-minute until the magazine is empty, which with the standard 30-round magazine would take approximately two seconds. The civilian version requires one pull of the trigger to fire each shot, as mandated by law. There is not a human alive who can pull a trigger 30 times in two seconds.
You can certainly argue that the actual rate of fire of a semi-auto weapon is too high for public safety and that there should be more regulation of such weapons, but the characterization of the civilian AR-15 as a military weapon is not a sound basis on which to base your argument. It simply isn't true.
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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 07:21 PM
ashredux (1,286 posts)
10. It is velocity....it is a Killing Machine
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Response to ashredux (Reply #10)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 07:29 PM
Star Member Straw Man (5,466 posts)
12. As is any hunting rifle.
The main criticism of AR-style rifles is and has been rate-of-fire.
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esponse to Straw Man (Reply #12)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 07:51 PM
ashredux (1,286 posts)
18. standard AR-15 bullet travels at 3,251 feet per second and delivers 1300 foot pounds.
Bring your data. It isn’t just rate of fire
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sponse to ashredux (Reply #18)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 08:41 PM
Zeitghost (28 posts)
34. You are correct
It's just that is a relatively low power for a rifle cartridge. The AR-15 gains it's advantage by being lightweight and easy to use and carry over heavier more powerful rifles.
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esponse to ashredux (Reply #18)Tue Mar 23, 2021, 09:14 PM
Star Member Straw Man (5,466 posts)
41. And a 125-grain .308 Winchester goes 3,100 fps and delivers 2,668 foot pounds.
Almost the same velocity and more than double the energy. That's data.
So are you asking for the .223 round itself to be banned? On the basis of muzzle velocity and energy? That's some pretty weak sauce.
LOl That last subthread is gonna some DUmmies tombstoned for not toeing the AR-15 are the only killing machines out there line.