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Title: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: MD on October 28, 2013, 06:45:54 PM
Boom baby

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"President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.
Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”  
None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
 

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  



http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Is anyone else not shocked at all by this?  I mean, we've known all along that this would happen so its no real surprise he did as well.  Its also no surprise that he lied so boldly just to get his little pet passed.  

This disaster really is becoming simply impressive.  I knew it would fail, but this really is putting the F in Fail.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 28, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
Hey libtards,
:ownit:
:bird:
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Freeper on October 28, 2013, 07:10:35 PM
I'm shocked that president Pinocchio lied.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: miskie on October 28, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
Obviously, the Rethuglikkans and GW Bush are responsible.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: FlaGator on October 28, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Watching Megan Kelly talk about this right now. She has emails going back to 2010 showing the administration knew that millions of people would not be able to keep their insurance and doctors. She is also showing clips of Obama, as late as 2012, telling people that they would be able to keep their policies "period".
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: NHSparky on October 28, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
Funny how all this crap is flowing out of the pipe only AFTER he gets reelected, ain't it?

Own it, DUmmies.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Dblhaul on October 28, 2013, 08:25:36 PM
Just another PBO lie.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Dori on October 28, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Just now hearing about it on Megan Kelly's show.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: MD on October 28, 2013, 09:17:20 PM
Funny how all this crap is flowing out of the pipe only AFTER he gets reelected, ain't it?

Own it, DUmmies.

Glad im not the only one who noticed this.


Its odd how only now these stories matter.


The only possible explanation is that they "wanted to wait to make sure" it would happen, but even thats a bunch of BS. We are constantly bombarded with news stories of what "might" happen during  "global warming" and other liberal dreams but for some reason they felt that they didnt need to report what "might" happen to The Ones pet boondoggle. 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Chris_ on October 28, 2013, 11:18:35 PM
Oh my.

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NBC Deletes Story Criticizing Obama on Health Care

Earlier today NBC Investigative journalists released a report where they claimed the Obama administration knew Americans would lose their insurance due to Obamacare back in 2010.

It was there all evening.

It even made their top story list.

But now it’s gone.
Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/that-was-quick-nbc-deletes-popular-story-criticizing-obama-on-health-care/)
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: sybilll on October 29, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Oh my.
Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/that-was-quick-nbc-deletes-popular-story-criticizing-obama-on-health-care/)
The story came back, minus this paragraph>>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXt-xc2CAAAYE_O.png:large
This really is feeling like state-controlled government. 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Karin on October 29, 2013, 07:13:28 AM
Click on that link above.  For some reason, it's not letting me copy paste.  It's pretty important, newsworthy stuff.  NBC can go to hell.

There are over 3500 comments at the original article, and hardly any libtards.   The article as a whole is at least not fawning sycophancy.  I knew there would be an avalanche of the personal stories, that at some point cannot be ignored.  Our idiotic politicians can't seem to grasp the concept of a family budget.  When you don't have the money, you don't have the money. 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 29, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
NBC is just another front group for the government.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Wineslob on October 29, 2013, 09:12:56 AM
The DemonRats are going to be sowing some pretty impressive losses.. :fuelfire:
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Carl on October 29, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
Click on that link above.  For some reason, it's not letting me copy paste.  It's pretty important, newsworthy stuff.  NBC can go to hell.

There are over 3500 comments at the original article, and hardly any libtards.   The article as a whole is at least not fawning sycophancy.  I knew there would be an avalanche of the personal stories, that at some point cannot be ignored.  Our idiotic politicians can't seem to grasp the concept of a family budget.  When you don't have the money, you don't have the money. 

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-knew-millions-wouldn-t-be-able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html


Over 26,000 comments and almost all of them saying what a liar Barry is.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 29, 2013, 12:07:47 PM
This should be stickied. I am still surprised it was NBC of all networks that revealed this.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 29, 2013, 02:22:32 PM
Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/ObamaCare-Costs-15-Million-Their-Health-Insurance-So-Far

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By merely adding up recent media reports, the National Center for Public Policy Research discovered that 1.5 million insurance cancellations have already gone out. These cancellations are all due to the ObamaCare mandate that requires every health insurance policy meet a minimum requirement of a one-size-fits-all Cadillac plan that forces people to pay for coverage they neither want nor need.

During his sales job to pass his signature health insurance plan, President Obama repeatedly and without qualification promised the American people that if you liked your insurance plan, you could keep it. Obama also promised everyone that their premiums would decrease and that he would never raise taxes on the middle class.

Already 1.5 million have had insurance they were happy with stripped from them. If the Congressional Budget Office is correct, this will happen to millions more.

Just a start. I expect way more.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on October 29, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
The story came back, minus this paragraph>>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXt-xc2CAAAYE_O.png:large
This really is feeling like state-controlled government.  


It's more than a feeling.  The Ministry of Truth doesn't even have to sweat doing it.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Bad Dog on October 29, 2013, 04:37:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-knew-millions-wouldn-t-be-able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html


Over 26,000 comments and almost all of them saying what a liar Barry is.


That's amazing.  Yahoo comments are usually a festering boil of liberalism.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: DefiantSix on October 29, 2013, 05:22:26 PM
That's amazing.  Yahoo comments are usually a festering boil of liberalism.

"What a liar" in this case is used to express admiration, not accusation.

It's just a repeat of the Clinton days, when the leftists would stand in awed amazement at what a complete and thorough bullshit artist Willhelm von Der Schlickmeister was.

 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Lacarnut on October 29, 2013, 07:34:40 PM
Probably worked better than the Magic Negro thought. Like a good left wing liberal Democratic Socialist, he wants a single payer system. 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: MD on October 29, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
So this is getting better and better.

In June of 2010 HHS admitted that most of the 17 Million people who had individual insurance would be forced to "change" their insurance plans.

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Q: What effect will the new rule have on my health coverage?

A: The new rule will allow you to keep your current coverage if you like it and still benefit from many of the new consumer protections in the Affordable Care Act, such as a ban on your insurance being terminated just because you get sick and had made an unintentional mistake on your forms.

If your current plan significantly reduces your benefits or increases your out-of-pocket spending above what it was when the new law was enacted, then your plan will lose its “grandfather” status and you will gain additional new benefits under the Act.  In the individual market, people change plans more frequently than those insured through employer plans.  As such, most of the 17 million people who purchase in the individual market will likely gain all the new protections in the Affordable Care Act in the near term.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100618014045/http://healthreform.gov/about/grandfathering.html
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Maxiest on October 29, 2013, 08:11:18 PM
O'Reilly was asking one of the Fox commentators is this the end of Barack basically making him a lame duck the next 3 years.

The Fox commentator basically had my exact sentiments.  He said something to the effect his voters don't care, did they care about Benghazi or the NSA stuff? 

It's all quickly forgotten by the Demorats.  They will remember ever second of the Bush administration for the next 15 years but won't remember an Obama screw for more than a few hours.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: MD on October 29, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
O'Reilly was asking one of the Fox commentators is this the end of Barack basically making him a lame duck the next 3 years.

The Fox commentator basically had my exact sentiments.  He said something to the effect his voters don't care, did they care about Benghazi or the NSA stuff? 

It's all quickly forgotten by the Demorats.  They will remember ever second of the Bush administration for the next 15 years but won't remember an Obama screw for more than a few hours.

Im not so sure though.  And the main reason is this, the NSA and Benghazi didnt directly impact a vast majority of Americans, just the ones who cared/paying attention.
Obamacare is now impacting millions of Americans who were promised they could keep their healthcare if they liked it.

Democrats wont care because they are to busy tripping over themselves to fall on their swords to save this disaster.  Its the Independants who matter, and they are not happy at all.  Time will tell, but this is very different from the NSA/Benghazi scandals.  This one is dirctly responsible for millions of people losing their healthcare, and even more seeing their insurance rates rise.

It might not end Obama, but it is going to hurt him a lot and cost Democrats quite a few votes next year.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Maxiest on October 29, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Im not so sure though.  And the main reason is this, the NSA and Benghazi didnt directly impact a vast majority of Americans, just the ones who cared/paying attention.
Obamacare is now impacting millions of Americans who were promised they could keep their healthcare if they liked it.

Democrats wont care because they are to busy tripping over themselves to fall on their swords to save this disaster.  Its the Independants who matter, and they are not happy at all.  Time will tell, but this is very different from the NSA/Benghazi scandals.  This one is dirctly responsible for millions of people losing their healthcare, and even more seeing their insurance rates rise.

It might not end Obama, but it is going to hurt him a lot and cost Democrats quite a few votes next year.

I see your point and I hope your right.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: txradioguy on October 30, 2013, 03:53:07 AM
Meanwhile...damage control from the masterminds:

(http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/ObamaAdminTweetsOnACAinsLoss102813.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Karin on October 30, 2013, 07:13:07 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-knew-millions-wouldn-t-be-able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html


Over 26,000 comments and almost all of them saying what a liar Barry is.


Now up to 31,413, which I have never seen.  Not a single obamabot amongst them, from the sample I read.  Lots of horror stories, though.  Oh my God. 
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Maxiest on October 30, 2013, 08:14:51 AM
So if I understand the issue correctly.  Plans are having to drop people because they don't meet certain requirements such as Maternity coverage am I correct?

If this is the case why aren't gay couples up in arms about it?

**Fixed*** Meant to say why aren't.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Carl on October 30, 2013, 08:39:24 AM
So if I understand the issue correctly.  Plans are having to drop people because they don't meet certain requirements such as Maternity coverage am I correct?

If this is the case why are gay couples up in arms about it?

The enforcement regulations HHS wrote stipulate that all elements of ocare must be on a plan.
Since very few offered the vote buying freebies it disallows them so they can`t be grandfathered in as promised.
It is all part of an elaborate Cloward-Piven strategy as the explosion of Medicaid rolls combined with the welfare subsidies not only will trap millions on a government dole but also tip over our economic system.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 30, 2013, 10:59:15 AM
Kathleen Sebelius, welcome to an unwelcome Washington tradition: The deathwatch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/kathleen-sebelius-welcome-to-an-unwelcome-washington-tradition-the-deathwatch/2013/10/29/6019c30c-40dc-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html

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It’s Kathleen Sebelius’s turn now. On the Hill, they’re calling for her resignation and tossing around words like “subpoena.” Pundits are merrily debating her future. (She’s toast! Or is Obama too loyal to fire her so soon?) Her interviews, more closely parsed than usual, seem wobbly. Though never a colorful presence on the political scene, she’s suddenly a late-night TV punch line.

And on Wednesday morning, the embattled secretary of health and human services will submit to a quintessential station of the Washington deathwatch — testifying before a congressional committee — to discuss her agency’s failings in the botched rollout of the federal health-insurance Web site.

The headline at Drudge is THE MOST HATED WOMAN IN AMERICA.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Freeper on October 30, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
Kathleen Sebelius, welcome to an unwelcome Washington tradition: The deathwatch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/kathleen-sebelius-welcome-to-an-unwelcome-washington-tradition-the-deathwatch/2013/10/29/6019c30c-40dc-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html

The headline at Drudge is THE MOST HATED WOMAN IN AMERICA.

She will plead the fifth and it will end there. It worked for the IRS.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 30, 2013, 11:57:58 AM
She will plead the fifth and it will end there. It worked for the IRS.

Ah, that card.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: liana on November 06, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
Is anyone actually surprised?  :rofl:

 :mad:
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: SaintLouieWoman on November 07, 2013, 01:26:35 AM
Megyn Kelly said tonight that the latest # is 4.1 million cancelled and going higher. Also they were talking about near-panic in the White House. The problem is with all those pinnochios, there's this magic thing where all those quotes of the mighty O, up til Nov 4th, "you can keep your health insurance and your doctors" can be played over and over and over.

Hope the Republicans have the brains to do that. They can't always depend on Fox News to carry their water. And kudos to Fox, the only media with the balls to not go along with the MSM line.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: thundley4 on November 07, 2013, 11:45:13 AM
Megyn Kelly said tonight that the latest # is 4.1 million cancelled and going higher. Also they were talking about near-panic in the White House. The problem is with all those pinnochios, there's this magic thing where all those quotes of the mighty O, up til Nov 4th, "you can keep your health insurance and your doctors" can be played over and over and over.

Hope the Republicans have the brains to do that. They can't always depend on Fox News to carry their water. And kudos to Fox, the only media with the balls to not go along with the MSM line.

Every gop candidate running against a vulnerable dem should tout the dems support of OCare and play those lies over and over.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: RedStatevoter4life on December 27, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
how long will Obama keep telling the american people this story  :whistling:
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: big steve on October 12, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
If Obama had told the truth about Obamacare and Benghazi, he would not have been reelected in 2012!  Period!
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 12, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
If Obama had told the truth about Obamacare and Benghazi, he would not have been reelected in 2012!  Period!

Agreed. Stupid people should not vote.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Citizen 5 on November 28, 2014, 05:13:25 AM
Fortunately the law will fail. Unfortunately what Obombya wanted to accomplished will not be reversed.
The ACA was just another "wealth shift" this time addressing estate confiscation, and the pillaging of our labor funded SS funds.
They knew the ACA would fail or they wouldnt have put the whole "subsidies through State market Place sign up" in there. That excludes 31 states. It is also why the OBRA 1993 is separate. They have been planning this along time and anyone who thinks this is Obamas brain child doesnt get it.

"Estate Recovery

OBRA 1993 requires all states that receive Medicaid funding to seek recovery from the estates of deceased Medicaid patients for medical services received in a nursing home or other long-term care institution, home- and community-based services and related hospital and prescription drug services regardless of age. It also allows, at state option, recovery for all services used in the Medicaid state plan at age 55 or older. At minimum, states must pursue recovery from the probate estate which includes property that passes to heirs under state probate law, but states can expand the definition of estate to allow recovery from property that bypasses probate. This means states can use procedures for direct recovery from bank accounts and other funds. The state keeps a running tally, and even if you have a will, your heirs are chopped liver. Estate recovery can be exempted or deferred in certain situations after your death, but the regulations for this are limited and complicated with multitudes of conditions.

Your estate is what you own when you die–your home, other real estate in which you have a legal interest, personal property, bank accounts, annuities and so on. For cash-strapped states, recovery provides an income stream, and with the expansion of Medicaid states will be in dire need of money, particularly in the current economy.

You must first understand that if an exchange determines you are eligible for Medicaid, you have no other choice. "
PCR

Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: Citizen 5 on November 28, 2014, 05:24:22 AM
Agreed. Stupid people should not vote.

Thats why the President, VP and senators were never meant to be elected by the popular vote. We need to bring back the 12th.
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    State Legislatures were to choose the two U.S. Senators for their State (Art. I, Sec. 3, cl. 1); and,
    The States, as separate political entities, were to elect the President (Art. II, Sec. 1, cls. 2 & 3).

The People were to elect only their Representatives to the House (Art. I, Sec. 2, cl.1).

James Madison, Father of Our Constitution, explains in Federalist No. 45 (7th para), why this ensured that The States would maintain control over the national government:

    The State governments may be regarded as constituent and essential parts of the federal government …Without the intervention of the State legislatures, the President of the United States cannot be elected at all. They must in all cases have a great share in his appointment, and will, perhaps, in most cases, of themselves determine it. The Senate will be elected absolutely and exclusively by the State legislatures. …Thus, each of the principal branches of the federal government will owe its existence more or less to the favor of the State governments, and must consequently feel a dependence, which is much more likely to beget a disposition too obsequious than too overbearing towards them…"
http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/election-of-president/
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: obumazombie on November 29, 2014, 12:24:10 AM
"What a liar" in this case is used to express admiration, not accusation.

It's just a repeat of the Clinton days, when the leftists would stand in awed amazement at what a complete and thorough bullshit artist Willhelm von Der Schlickmeister was.

Since the thread was resurrected I can see now why libs are not insulted by being called liars.
What would really insult them is if they were properly called ineffective liars.
If a lie will advance their agenda, they are proud of it even if caught red handed.
Just spitballing numbers, about 40% of the voting populace voted.
Of that owebuma won about 52%
Of that about half were libs, the other half independents.
Virtually no conservative voted for woebuma.
So according to my ballpark figures, the owebumacare lies were only designed to be effective on less that 10% of the electorate.
That was a nicely focused propaganda campaign.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: sneakypete on May 05, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
"Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance"

Well,SOME of them may have known that,but I doubt Bathhouse Barry or virtually anyone in his inner circle or his voting block knew that. Or much of anything else.

Those dummies really do believe everyone can have anything they want and it won't cost anyone that isn't rich anything. That's why they register and vote Dim.
Title: Re: Obama Admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
Post by: sneakypete on May 05, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
So this is getting better and better.

In June of 2010 HHS admitted that most of the 17 Million people who had individual insurance would be forced to "change" their insurance plans.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100618014045/http://healthreform.gov/about/grandfathering.html

And it doesn't matter. The media and the talking heads in the DNC will blame it on Trump,and that's what most people will believe.