bitches ain't nothin' but ho's an' tricks
He must know.
Apparently he has a Ph.D.
alp227 (19,527 posts)
Feminism 'has failed working-class women'
Do you buy this study, or do you find it a distraction from the many other issues affecting the working class? The Guardian (UK publication) reports:
Feminism has failed working-class women by focusing too much on gender equality in high-profile roles, according to new research.
While the average gap between the earnings of men and women has narrowed in the last 50 years, differences between professional and unskilled women are significantly higher than those between the same groups of men, a report by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) has found.
With or without a university degree, men continue to earn more than their female counterparts. But researchers found that women with a degree born in 1958 earned nearly three times as much (198%) as women in unskilled jobs born in the same year – compared to a difference of less than half (45%) between men in the same groups.
Dalia Ben-Galim, associate director of the IPPR, said: "While feminism has delivered for some professional women, other women have been left behind. Many of the advances for women at the top have masked inequality at the bottom.
"The 'break the glass ceiling' approach that simply promotes women in the boardroom has not been as successful in changing family-friendly working culture or providing opportunities for other women to advance.
The IPPR describes itself as "the UK’s leading progressive thinktank" that produces "research and innovative policy ideas for a fair, democratic and sustainable world."
In the UK, membership in trade unions (British English for labor union) declined 2.3% from 2008 to 2009. The Thatcher administration busted unions in the 1980s decade that also had conservative presidencies in the US (Reagan) and Canada (Mulroney).
The feminism being researched here is about equality in the workplace, not culturally so let's not get into tangents i.e. chivalry and who pays in dates, etc. But the working class in ANY country is generally going to subscribe to mainstream cultural values that tilt towards social dominance/patriarchy.
Warpy (67,882 posts)
1. Yes and no. Certainly the focus on tokenism at the top is damaging
the movement and is a huge turnoff to most of us, but feminism has also kicked open a lot of doors to jobs women were formerly excluded from, jobs that pay enough to support their kids after a man bails on them.
What hasn't been addressed fully is the huge drop in wages that necessitated mothers going to work, removing the choice of whether to go for a paycheck or stay home with the kids from women. Feminism told us it was going to be a choice. Thanks to 40 years of low wage conservatism, it hasn't worked out that way.
Bails?
How about: kicked out in a fit of faux-outrage/subsidized into obsolesence.
redqueen (101,138 posts)
2. Well said.
I find that pointing the finger at feminists for failing to reinvigorate the labor movement or fight conservatives and neo liberals to be entirely disingenuous and possibly yet another attempt to divide feminists.
well of course you do. How could you not?
Starry Messenger (21,141 posts)
3. I'd say that capitalism failed feminism and women in general.
I doubt that.
The last thing anyone would expect to find in Obama's adminstration would be any semblance of or appreciation for feminism.
And yet his females earn 1/5 less than his males.
seabeyond (84,800 posts)
5. i would think that obvious and couldnt figure how we were pinning something like this on feminism.
thanks.
socialist_n_TN (8,120 posts)
7. Yes. Of course, capitalism has also failed most men too........
It's the nature of the beast. It's going to fail 99% or more of the people. Scientific socialism (also called Marxism) is what will lift ALL boats, except the yachts of the ownership class.
Starry Messenger (21,141 posts)
12. It's not good for most living things.
It's just absurd to see someone assert that feminism was the root of a much deeper problem. Feminism isn't perfect, but it is fighting something huge and destructive. If it is so easy to fix than there wouldn't be so many working class men also suffering.
100 million broken eggs and not 1 goddmned omelet.
HiPointDem (14,486 posts)
28. to the extent that mainstream feminism has focused on the pay gap (& imo exaggerated the
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extent & clouded the causes of the gap, and where the biggest gap actually is) while ignoring the decline in both women & men's wages for the bottom 50% of the population, in effect separating itself from working-class issues, I think it's indictable.
and so are feminists like some seen in this thread claiming that it's men who keep women down, not the few (the 1%), and all men must be held accountable. speaking of dividing the 99%.
The Straight Story (40,692 posts)
11. Pretty much
Women and many others are kept down by the few who hoard power for themselves.
They rage wars, destroy the environment, steal our money, and want to keep folks under their control.
But it is not just capitalism, there are plenty of countries where people want to run things based on their religion.
When we the people control things the world be better off.
Until then, the 1%, will use their privilege over the 99% whilst we fight amongst ourselves.
Gravitycollapse (480 posts)
14. Women are kept down by men, not "the few." Where socialism has flourished, women are still oppressed
The Straight Story (40,692 posts)
15. Um
In most cases the few are men. That 1%? Mostly men.
But I could care less which sex they are, people at the top keeping other people down sucks and is wrong.
Let's fight them and not each other.
JI7 (39,403 posts)
24. this is why many women's groups led the anti capitalist protests in Egypt and Tunisia
And they won!
Now the Muslim Brotherhood rules and sends its "thank-you" in the form of rape gangs.
Gravitycollapse (480 posts)
13. I do not buy into the post-feminist drivel. Feminism has not failed. We have failed feminism.
Feminism has not failed anyone. It is the people who have failed.
The same goes for the labor movement. Both were destroyed by being divided and conquered. And there are plenty of feminist theorists who will vouch for that argument.
Call for Unity, meet Slap-Back:
Comrade Grumpy (2,920 posts)
17. I hope feminism forgives you.
I tried calling Feminism.
She was sucking-off Karl Marx for a few extra ration stamps.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022595735Do notice that essentially feminism offers women only 2 things: more money and sex.
Or, shown the other way around: Proglodyte men promise women more money for having sex with them if they promise not to get pregnant/keep the baby.
Feminists fabricated the "War on Women" to win 1 election but the whole time they have neglected the fact they are being shot in the back by men motivated by nothing but hormones and materialism.
