Is a new and improved DU3 in the works? For example, a return to DU2 but call it

[Ballygrl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/124060257

Better Believe It
 
Is a new and improved DU3 in the works? For example, a return to DU2 but call it DU4

I hope so. Traffic is way down and thousands may have left DU but at least DU has more respectability and acceptance now in some Democratic Party circles!

With a little more tweaking perhaps we can achieve "official' status as a junior adjunct of the Democratic Party national committee!

Any ideas on how we can accomplish that goal more quickly?

I'm all ears!

I just learned that this is a discussion board where DU'ers may "Bemoan the current state of DU" I've moved this post from the General Discussion board where it was locked.

And the new rules ..... did I say rules?

Like I already told Skinner: I'll have my attorney take a look at these rules, the same lawyer I use when I go to Catholic confession.

I wonder if procedures for third-party outside arbitration by neutral panels are also being considered to resolve posting disputes?

Any law school graduates here who can help tweak these rules? I'm sure we can make the discussion rules even more complex with tons of legalistic gobbledygook to dampen discussion and debate if we really try.

Here they are again .... read them and weep.

Then the OP posts the rules (OMG at all the rules)

I just learned that this is a discussion board where DU'ers may "Bemoan the current state of DU" I've moved this post from the General Discussion board where it was locked.

And the new rules ..... did I say rules?

Like I already told Skinner: I'll have my attorney take a look at these rules, the same lawyer I use when I go to Catholic confession.

I wonder if procedures for third-party outside arbitration by neutral panels are also being considered to resolve posting disputes?

Any law school graduates here who can help tweak these rules? I'm sure we can make the discussion rules even more complex with tons of legalistic gobbledygook to dampen discussion and debate if we really try.

Here they are again .... read them and weep.

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b.Administrators review the alert for potential malicious intruders and any other potential violation of the Terms of Service.

7.Optional: If they are not 100% sure that the alerted member is a malicious intruder, members of the MIR Team may discuss the alert in the MIR Workspace.

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ii.acknowledge that they are responsible for the revocation and that their username will be made public on the member's Transparency page
iii.believe that every other member of the MIR Team would agree that the revocation is necessary

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[Skul]

Good grief.
I think CC's rules amount to "don't be a DUmbass".

[Ballygrl]

ScreamingMeemie
3. It took exactly 3 seconds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem

DU3 is the same as DU2, in my opinion. The glaring difference? We are responsible for how it is moderated. I've been able to post the same things here that I did there. And I am a less than pleased Democratic voter these days. I am not thrilled with this administration in the least, but it's what we've got. It's time to move on.

woo me with science
5. K&R The truth hurts.

What a damned shame.

Bobbie Jo
8. Here's a thought...

There must be thousands of discussion boards out there that trash Democrats 24/7, or focus on third party advocacy. Surely you can find another site that better meets your "needs?" On the other hand, I suppose preaching to the choir wouldn't provide such an effective outlet...so I see your dilemma.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that you would encounter a number of Democrats on a site named Democratic Underground, who might take issue with an steady stream of anti-dem propaganda.

Those wicked google skills of yours should be helpful in that effort.

Better Believe It
9. One good thing. We can still placed DU'ers who prefer engaging in personal attacks on ignore.

You've earned a place on my ignore list!

JTFrog
13. That's funny,

coming from a poster who has more people ignoring them than any other profile I've seen here.

Grateful for Hope
14. Just took a look.

Quite a number of ignores.

Bobbie Jo
20. Again?

...and I mean it this time!!11!

You place way too much significance on the power of your "ignore list."

Grateful for Hope
10. Why?

I think the admins have done an amazing job on DU3.

Response to Better Believe It (Original post)

Star Member BlueIris
12. I consider this experiment a complete failure.

I'm here for one or two internet buddies and basically doing this the whole time:

[Ballygrl]

Good grief.
I think CC's rules amount to "don't be a DUmbass".

I thought maybe our rules here might be "just don't go overboard".

[jukin]

Looks like DUmp3 is just one more regulation or rule away from a perfect socialist Utopia.

[GOBUCKS]

I may do a word count on DUmp Rules vs. U.S. Constitution.

[Chris_]

I may do a word count on DUmp Rules vs. U.S. Constitution.

3,496 vs. 7,620 (5,033 if you only include the original 10 amendments).

[GOBUCKS]

3,496 vs. 7,620 (5,033 if you only include the original 10 amendments).

Okay, how about if you only count the words that make sense?

[Chris_]

I don't have that kind of time.

[AllosaursRus]

Good grief.
I think CC's rules amount to "don't be a DUmbass".

I was goin' to say, wholly smokes!! I think the only rule we have here is don't be too obnoxious! They're kiddin' 'bout the lawyer, right?

I found this hilarious! Hasn't Skins told them he's hiding their lunacy from the world so as to keep the real rubber room contestants from the public, and thus demeaning his superiors?

hope so. Traffic is way down and thousands may have left DU but at least DU has more respectability and acceptance now in some Democratic Party circles!

With a little more tweaking perhaps we can achieve "official' status as a junior adjunct of the Democratic Party national committee!

These people are delusional! Thousands have left DU? Ya gotta be kiddin' me! They don't have thousands who can leave!! What was our last count?

(edited to add)

Here's a clue, DUmbass: Ya can't count members who post once or twice, then vacate the premises never to be seen again, 'cause they figure out yer loony toons! Most of you guys could have been extras in Roger Rabbit!

[Skul]

I was goin' to say, wholly smokes!! I think the only rule we have here is don't be too obnoxious! They're kiddin' 'bout the lawyer, right?

I found this hilarious! Hasn't Skins told them he's hiding their lunacy from the world so as to keep the real rubber room contestants from the public, and thus demeaning his superiors?

These people are delusional! Thousands have left DU? Ya gotta be kiddin' me! They don't have thousands who can leave!! What was our last count?

(edited to add)

Here's a clue, DUmbass: Ya can't count members who post once or twice, then vacate the premises never to be seen again, 'cause they figure out yer loony toons! Most of you guys could have been extras in Roger Rabbit!

Oh, no, not kidding.
Take another look at some of their comments.
Most of them are the "Perry Masons" of the interwebs.
Want legal advice to beat a drug charge?  Just ask them.
Want to beat a pedophile charge? ... Just ask.
Fired from a job for any reason. Had your feelings hurt? Stubbed your toe?
DUmpmonkey Legal Service, at your disposal.
DBA...Pooper, Scooper and Whine. LLC

[AllosaursRus]

Oh, no, not kidding.
Take another look at some of their comments.
Most of them are the "Perry Masons" of the interwebs.
Want legal advice to beat a drug charge?  Just ask them.
Want to beat a pedophile charge? ... Just ask.
Fired from a job for any reason. Had your feelings hurt? Stubbed your toe?
DUmpmonkey Legal Service, at your disposal.
DBA...Pooper, Scooper and Whine. LLC

Yeah, ah shoulda known better! Isn't that the purpose of Fluke tryin' to say it's discrimination for us taxpayers to not fund their sex life?

[USA4ME]

Better Believe It
 
Is a new and improved DU3 in the works? For example, a return to DU2 but call it DU4

No.  Now cough up your $42/yr and shut up.

.

[Airwolf]

Well that was another craptastic post from DU.