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Offline USA4ME

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DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« on: December 07, 2011, 03:28:08 PM »
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What exactly is a "Hard Line Communist"?

The new DU3 rules state that Hard Line Communists will not be tolerated.

My question is: exactly what is the definition of a Hard Line Communist?

Can you cite works by Karl Marx?

Is advocating socialist principles OK?

Is advocating government takeover of certain (or all) corporations OK?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2442485

Permit me to answer for those of us living in the real world.  On Skin's island, you'll only get the deluted "truth" since what is defined as "hardline communist" is watered down to having no real meaning.

"Can you cite works by Karl Marx?"  That's what hardline communists do, so it'll be permitted.

"Is advocating socialist principles OK?"  That's what hardline communists do, so it'll be permitted.

"Is advocating government takeover of certain (or all) corporations OK?"  That's what hardline communists do, so it'll be permitted.

You can do all these things, but you just can't call it what it really is -- supporting hardline communism.

There's you answer, idiot.

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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 03:38:57 PM »
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5. I feel so lonesome....
 
and my time is getting late..

Ha, guess they just can't stand the heat.

I would love to take all of the DUmp's communists and drop them in the middle of North Korea.  Hope you like earthworms and grass for dinner, assholes. 
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 03:42:03 PM »
Don't worry Taverner, your president came out of the closet fully yesterday when he gave that speech. If he gets his way we will be a socialist nation, and we can tell our kids maybe someday, they too can go as high as the middle class.  :whatever:
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 04:08:11 PM »
Sometimes you gotta see this nonsense to believe it.

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13. Pretty simple

Abolition of private property. Complete central control of output and distribution.

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20. It should then be "hardline state socialist," since communism contemplates no "central control" of output and distribution (there being no "central" thing to do this controlling after the withering away of the state apparatus). Communism in fact contemplates an emergent form of organizing production in much the same way that capitalism claims (and miserably fails) to develop. The state socialists of Soviet and (previous iterations) of Asian communism insisted on something like "central control" through a period of transition to communism. That it was a transition that never came to fruition is no reflection on the communist idea itself. In any case, as should be quite obvious, capitalism is just as unable to develop a freely emergent form of production untethered from the central control of states. if the Soviet Union failed to transition to communist emergent production in its seventy or so years of existence, capitalism has also been unable to develop its own form of emergent production in the nearly 400 years since its emergence.

No reflection on the communist idea itself?  Really?

How about it's enough of a reflection of what happens when an economy attempts to transition to communism for me to know that it never reaches this utopia of real communism you believe is possible.  Your utopianism eventually adheres to the dictum attributed to Leonid Brezhnev during the Prague Spring: "Don't talk to me about 'socialism.' What we have, we hold."

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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 04:11:19 PM »
The reason is only because there already is a party called Communist Party USA, and supporting hard-line Communism would perforce support that party displacing the DemonRats.  Therefore the interests of $kammer's DNC sugar daddies would be controverted, and we can't have that.  Hell, it could even split the Leftist Scum Vote!

However, any programs, pogroms, or platforms of hard-line Communism are perfectly fine on DU, you just can't abandon the Donkeycrats to root for the CPUSA.   
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 04:45:13 PM »
How do they expect Bill Ayers and Obama to kill the required 25 million Americans without the support of DU and the hardline communist?

Just thought I would ask.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 04:53:42 PM »
It sounds like skins has been told to stop them from posting things that normal,sane Americans find appalling.
Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 05:09:45 PM »
I'm surprised the jug-eared muslim has been able to give all these speeches, six or seven a week, outlining his vision of a socialist America, without using the words "proletariat" or "kulak".

Not that he knows what those words mean, but the people who load up his teleprompter every day surely do.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 05:19:22 PM »
Well...

...there goes the neighborhood.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 05:21:07 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on December 07, 2011, 04:45:13 PM
How do they expect Bill Ayers and Obama to kill the required 25 million Americans without the support of DU and the hardline communist?

Just thought I would ask.

That 25 million is based on the 1970's population of the United States. Probably would be around 35 million today. Or higher.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 05:21:58 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on December 07, 2011, 05:19:22 PM
Well...

...there goes the neighborhood. funny farm.
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"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 07:43:57 AM »
Looks like the DUmp's going to become an empty place rather quickly...from the new terms of service:

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Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 07:52:14 AM »
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xchrom   (1000+ posts)             Wed Dec-07-11 05:46 PM
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48. A Republican: a staunch, conservative Republican.
   
Hard line communists are conservative.
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DU Communists Discomfited
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 09:44:15 PM »
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Taverner  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 03:39 PM
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What exactly is a "Hard Line Communist"?
 The new DU3 rules state that Hard Line Communists will not be tolerated.

My question is: exactly what is the definition of a Hard Line Communist?

Can you cite works by Karl Marx?

Is advocating socialist principles OK?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2442485#2442891

Looks like some of the DU commies are getting the jitters.

BTW, have you ever heard a communist admit that another communist was a communist? Part of their defense against history's evidence that communism and socialism are failed systems is to always counter with, "B-b-but, *insert despot here* wasn't a true communist!" or "*Insert shithole country here* didn't have real communism!"

Then they try to baffle you with bullshit by spouting off about all the 75,834 different permutations of communism like "council communism" and "Stalinism" and "Leninist-Bolshevikism" and "anarcho-syndicalism" and "mutualistic-masturbationism" and on and on, ad nauseum, in the hopes that your eyes will eventually glaze over enough that they can make their escape.

But anyway, they're upset because, most of the time, they don't know themselves what they are:

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Ter  (1000+ posts)      Wed Dec-07-11 03:44 PM
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1. Stalin hard line enough for you?
 I'm glad DU3 rules ban them. Freak Republic bans Nazis, so why not the reverse?
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Taverner  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 03:46 PM
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2. I have no problem with banning Stalinists. I just want some clarity.
 BTW, Stalin wasn't really a Communist. He was fascist, statist and closer to Mussolini than Lenin...

Like I said...   :whatever:

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Fantastic Anarchist  (925 posts)      Wed Dec-07-11 04:56 PM
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23. Stalinists aren't communists.

 :whatever: :whatever:

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Union Scribe (1000+ posts)      Wed Dec-07-11 07:11 PM
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59. How many Stalinist invasions has DU survived so far?
 Granted, I wasn't here from the beginning or anything, but how many Stalinist Communists have popped up here?

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170. Stop bothering the nice stock brokers on their way to work...
 
Ye shall be segregated and penned and fed pepper spray food products...

...until you develop a nice, soft, caramel core.

No jaw-breakers allowed around here.

Besides, it's election time.

There is party politics to consider.

And, what about the family business?

I think it's trying to accuse $kimmer here of something, but is too cowardly to just come out and say it.

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Tierra_y_Libertad  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 04:37 PM
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10. Well, they have to get rid of the Red Riff Raff and non-conformists.

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Puregonzo1188 (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 04:32 PM
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9. Wait is DU having a red scare?
 Seriously?


But this was the funny part to me:


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Puregonzo1188 (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 07:33 PM
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69. Apparently other fringe leftist that are not welcome are " terrorist-apologists,
 America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like."


Someone tell me this is a joke.

"Someone tell me this is a joke." Yeah, really. I mean, if you can't hate America, make excuses for terrorists, and just generally be batshit-crazy on DU, where can you do those things?  :rotf:

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white_wolf (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 07:46 PM
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71. I hope so.
 When I saw terrorist-apologists and America-haters, I really felt like I was the twilight zone.

"Don't take my hate from me, it's all I have!"

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WildNovember (522 posts)      Thu Dec-08-11 04:48 AM
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111. Is that a direct quotation from the new rules?

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TBF  (1000+ posts)        Thu Dec-08-11 07:58 AM
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122. Yes it is from the "terms of service" posted on the home page of DU3 -
 "Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like."

Since most DUmmies are fringe nutjobs, they're all wringing their hands right now.  :popcorn:
 
 

 

 

 
 


 
 
 

 
 


 
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Re: DU Communists Discomfited
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 10:22:19 PM »
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122. Yes it is from the "terms of service" posted on the home page of DU3 -
 "Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like."
Nads is not going to be happy wth this DUmmie.
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Re: DU Communists Discomfited
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 11:01:26 PM »
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America-haters, kooks, crackpots

Wow! If Skimmer were to really enforce that rule, the DUmp would become as deserted as Crazy Andrea's place.

America-haters, kooks, and crackpots are pretty much all the democrat party has these days.
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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2011, 10:08:44 AM »
It was shortly after zero was elected; I remember ArmyofWalgreens tentatively said "I want Socialism!"  Ever since then, the communists came of the woodwork like roaches.  I swear he broke the dam.  It turned into a huge bonfire. 

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Re: DU3 doesn't permit support of Hardline Communism
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2011, 11:00:07 AM »
Someone had an exchange:

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white_wolf (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-07-11 05:45 PM
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47. The admins really need to clarify what they mean in the TOS.
 If they are really going to start banning all socialists from this site, they will lost a lot of members I think, and a lot of interesting informative discussion. 

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 Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
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79. bye. don't write.

Oh Puke, Fantastic Antichrist is calling White Wolf "comrade."    Get a room. 

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103. BlindPig rawks!

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