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Skins explains DU3
« on: November 12, 2011, 09:32:22 PM »
Not sure I've seen this topic posted about here.

This is from the ATA Forum, but in it Skins talks about the new DU3.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x5009

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Believe me, I understand that there is a problem here.

I do not get any pleasure from this situation. But I also believe I CANNOT adequately "fix" the problem under the current DU2 system. I just can't. I can try to do better, and the moderators can try to do better, and we have. But I think one thing is painfully clear: Better is not good enough. Right now, I'm the guy who is supposed to make everything better, but I'm obviously not up to the task. So I'm going to get out of the way.

So, if I'm not allowed to say "DU3 will fix the problem," then unfortunately I don't have an answer. Because DU3 is what I'm spending 75% of my time on these days, and I promise you that it will radically change the way the site is run. And I mean RADICALLY. I cannot promise that everyone will like DU3 better. But for better or worse, I can promise that it will completely change the way the site is run. It'll be a risk, but I believe it is a risk worth taking. Because too many people are dissatisfied with DU right now.

Here's a taste of what you're gonna get on DU3:

- Every DU member will be empowered to participate in how the site is run (if they so desire).

- No more all-powerful elite moderators.

- No more deleted posts.

- Total transparency.

- Separation of powers.

- The people who are empowered to take action are also responsible for their actions.

- Members have power to run the groups you participate in, however you see fit. Block out whomever you like. Lock any thread you like. You enforce your own group's mission, not me.

- The emphasis is on stopping disruption, rather than enforcing a long list of arbitrary rules.

I think DU3 is revolutionary and radical. I used to think the risk of radical change was too great, but now I believe that the risk of not changing is even greater. I believe it is going to work. But I also think there is a not-insignificant chance that it will fail. If it does fail, then we can go back to the DU2 approach. And we know how well that works.

(another post, same thread)

So on DU3 forums and groups will no longer be policed by a small group of elite moderators who are responsible for trying to deal with problems everywhere on the site. Instead, forums and groups will be policed by the very DU members who have a particular interest in those forums and groups, and who wish to take charge of running them.

We are calling these people "Hosts." If you or any of your friends wish to become a Host of the GLBT forum, you are welcome. You will have the power to lock any thread in your forum, and you will have the power to block any member from posting in your forum. (You will NOT have the power to delete posts -- that is going to be taken care of by a different aspect of the DU3 moderating system that I'm not going to go into here.)

So on DU3, the GLBT forum will be yours to deal with as you see fit. You won't have to come running to me or the moderators every time there is a problem, and you won't have to worry about us dealing with it differently to the way you would. And you should also understand that Hosting is a not a one-way street -- you will have to take responsibility for how your forum is run. I will no longer be there to screw up your forum by making bad decisions.

This is just one of the radical changes to the moderating system that I was talking about. There is a lot more too it which will be revealed soon enough, but I hope that you can already see the value of this particular piece of the puzzle.

They'll be at each others throats in no time.  It'll be an on-line version of OWS.

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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2011, 09:40:00 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on November 12, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
Not sure I've seen this topic posted about here.

This is from the ATA Forum, but in it Skins talks about the new DU3.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x5009

They'll be at each others throats in no time.  It'll be an on-line version of OWS.

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Damn, this will be fun!   :popcorn:  :hyper:  :lol:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 09:47:29 PM »
No deleted posts? What are they going to do, have the mods approve each post after they hit send?

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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2011, 09:48:21 PM »
What this means is the Israel-hating, terrorist sympathizers can take over the Israel forum and ban all the pro-Israel people. No more debate: any one person majority can ban the entire other side.  

Skinner is a complete idiot if he thinks he can let the DUmmies police their own. A million tiny dictatorships will arise.

And we get front row seats to see the inmates tear each other apart.  :popcorn:

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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2011, 09:49:24 PM »
NASA developed a way to put a man on the moon in less time than Skimmer and his nitwit flunkies have been working on DU3.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2011, 09:51:22 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 12, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
No deleted posts? What are they going to do, have the mods approve each post after they hit send?


This could get interesting. :popcorn:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2011, 09:51:47 PM »
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So on DU3 forums and groups will no longer be policed by a small group of elite moderators who are responsible for trying to deal with problems everywhere on the site. Instead, forums and groups will be policed by the very DU members who have a particular interest in those forums and groups, and who wish to take charge of running them.


Boy! The knives will be out like there's no tomorrow when DUmmie3 gets on line. Can't wait. If Skinner thinks this is gonna lighten his load (read shorten his vacation time). Hah! Some of them groups are so borderline they make a baby seal bashing look like Romper Room. And then to let the most obnoxious the gate keepers? Whoa.

[Slipping into DU Paranoia] Could this be a skinner plot to rid the DUmp of the whinny bastards that are always bothering him on ATA?
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2011, 09:56:11 PM »
I'm also guessing the transparency he is talking about is the same definition 0bama uses.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2011, 11:20:26 PM »
Oh this is going to end badly.

No deleted posts ?

Local self elected moderators ?

Imagine 50 cats in a crab trap when it hits the water.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 12:45:15 AM »
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Imagine 50 cats in a crab trap when it hits the water.

 :rofl:

Surely, somewhere deep down, Skins knows this is a bad idea letting the inmates run the asylum. 

I think he's suggested some of the items on the list just to so he can draw back his hand and give them what they think they want, then let them squirm and yelp and hiss at each other, until they start scrambling for him to put the iron fist back down on them again. 

And oh yeah, this should be good.   :popcorn:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2011, 12:49:36 AM »
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It'll be a risk, but I believe it is a risk worth taking. Because too many people are dissatisfied with DU right now.

You are DUmmies. You will always be dissatisfied. If you weren't dissatisfied you wouldn't be at DUmmie Land. Play the hand you dealt yourself.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2011, 06:42:54 AM »
This is going to be a riot, and it's not going to end well.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2011, 07:23:26 AM »
Not even normal, rational websites do this. it just invites division, fighting and mob rule.

can anyone point to a forum where this DU3 rule is in effect?
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2011, 07:38:46 AM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on November 13, 2011, 07:23:26 AM
Not even normal, rational websites do this. it just invites division, fighting and mob rule.

can anyone point to a forum where this DU3 rule is in effect?

Never let a failed idea discourage you from trying it again and again.   :lol:

DU.

Always on the "cutting edge".   :lmao:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 07:46:03 AM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 12, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
No deleted posts? What are they going to do, have the mods approve each post after they hit send?

Skins - "(You will NOT have the power to delete posts -- that is going to be taken care of by a different aspect of the DU3 moderating system that I'm not going to go into here.)"

He didn't say no deleted posts, just that it would be done differently.

Thing is they can lock threads of which they don't approve and prevent people they don't like from entering their forums.  You're going to get some cross-forum fighting going on, cliques forming and exerting their influence, cross talking about how to get back at others, etc...  It'll be like rival gangs in a prison yard.

:popcorn:

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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 07:48:49 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on November 13, 2011, 07:46:03 AM
Skins - "(You will NOT have the power to delete posts -- that is going to be taken care of by a different aspect of the DU3 moderating system that I'm not going to go into here.)"

He didn't say no deleted posts, just that it would be done differently.

Thing is they can lock threads of which they don't approve and prevent people they don't like from entering their forums.  You're going to get some cross-forum fighting going on, cliques forming and exerting their influence, cross talking about how to get back at others, etc...  It'll be like rival gangs in a prison yard.

:popcorn:

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Before that he said,
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Here's a taste of what you're gonna get on DU3:

- Every DU member will be empowered to participate in how the site is run (if they so desire).

- No more all-powerful elite moderators.

- No more deleted posts.

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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 07:56:00 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on November 13, 2011, 07:46:03 AM
It'll be like rival gangs in a prison yard.

Uh huh.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 10:05:40 AM »
DU3 = utter chaos...a microcosm of an America run by socialist.

Delete = death
locked = gulag
ignored = nonperson
banned = any of the above

...and this is going to be :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 10:37:20 AM »
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Members have power to run the groups you participate in, however you see fit. Block out whomever you like. Lock any thread you like.


The DUmpmonkeys hate one another even more than they hate civilized people. If they could block and lock at will, the DUmp would be more deserted than Crazy Andrea's place.

That would  cut into Skimmer's revenue streams, so there's no way it will happen.

The DUmbasses will never understand that the only reason the DUmp exists is to enrich Skimmer, and to entertain us.

Skimmer is trying to develop DU3 in such a way that it's easier to administer, allowing him to get rid of Lord Marblehead EarlG.

That would represent a significant increase in profit.

When he explains how simple and streamlined DU3 will be, someone should ask him if he'll still need two fulltime paid flunkies.

Which makes me wonder, does Skimmer provide medical benefits and pension vesting to the dense Lord Marblehead and
the enigmatic, elusive, but harebrained Elad?
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 12:27:56 PM »
Quote from: LC EFA on November 12, 2011, 11:20:26 PM
Oh this is going to end badly.

No deleted posts ?

Local self elected moderators ?

Imagine 50 cats in a crab trap when it hits the water.


Well said.  This sounds like it's going to be as volatile as a runaway reactor.  Better stock up on milk now.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 12:29:50 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 13, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Well said.  This sounds like it's going to be as volatile as a runaway reactor.  Better stock up on milk now.

You know, my fellow alum Skins violates one of the basic rules of "success."

Keep it simple.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 12:42:11 PM »
I'm of two minds on this

1) I'm wondering if this isn't set up for failure, giving Skinner a better excuse to enact total control.
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2) this is an emulation of the leaderless Occupy movement. without twinkles.
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 08:44:24 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on November 12, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Damn, this will be fun!   :popcorn:  :hyper:  :lol:

That is what I was thinking!   :popcorn:
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Re: Skins explains DU3
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 08:46:54 PM »
I had a thought... maybe Skinner is gonna sell the place.
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 04:26:41 AM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on November 13, 2011, 08:46:54 PM
I had a thought... maybe Skinner is gonna sell the place.

That, or have/get it shut down. 

Poor, poor, homeless DUmmies!    :lmao:
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