Judi Lynn (110,082 posts)
New bill could force states to allow visiting gun owners to pack heat without a permit
Source: Business Insider
The Trace
Dan Friedman, The Trace
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One of the first gun bills introduced in the new Congress proposes to dramatically alter the way states regulate who can carry concealed firearms within their borders.
Under the legislation filed by Congressman Richard Hudson, a North Carolina Republican, gun owners — including those from states no longer mandating training or permits for persons wishing to tote hidden pistols — could be cleared to carry in any public spaces across the country that allow guns.
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But many forbid out-of-state residents from carrying concealed weapons within their borders, or only recognize permits from select states. And some cities, like New York, have strict rules about who may obtain a license to carry, with the result that very few people do.
If Hudson’s bill passes, states that set high bars for concealed carry would be compelled to welcome gun-toting visitors from “any state that recognizes its residents’ right to concealed carry,” says a Hudson spokeswoman. That includes states with more relaxed requirements, or no requirements at all.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/visiting-gun-owners-permitless-carries-2017-1?r=UK&IR=T
Feeling the Bern (3,696 posts)
1. Talk about abusing full faith and credit. Taney did this with his logic in Dred Scott
The fascists won! We won't survive the next four years.
Remind us again why SCOTUS forced gay "marriage" to be recognized by all states.
Merlot (4,841 posts)
2. The NRA strikes again. Soon we will all be required to own and
carry guns! Yay!
No you won't.
You and yours should remain disarmed.
HassleCat (5,732 posts)
3. States rights! What about states rights?
Let's see if we understand this. Florida can manipulate the voter rolls without federal interference, but New York must bow to federal authority that allows Billy Bob to walk around Central Park with his Glock. Is this a great country, or what?
States rights were shit on with Lawrence v Texas.
You cheered when that happened.
And self-defense -- unlike sodomy -- is such an inherent right it was even codified in the Constitution.
Crash2Parties (468 posts)
5. Is this that, "small Federal government" the the GOP always spoke of?
Does the CRA put teeth to the 13th and 14th Amendments?
waddirum (716 posts)
8. Well I guess my medical cannabis is good anywhere
I ever travel in these here United States. Good to know. Thanks.
Show me a right to keep and bear cannabis in the Constitution.
McCamy Taylor (16,520 posts)
13. Yes, because you have a right to the pursuit of happiness.
Spoken like a true pedophile.
needledriver (431 posts)
10. What part of constitutional right don't you understand?
Do you advocate that freedom of speech or religion should be exercised on a state by state basis? Are you ok with a book published in New York being illegal in Ohio? Should a Muslim from Wisconsin not be allowed in Tennessee?
More to the point - if a person has passed a background check in Kansas, and passed the Kansas required state safety course to get a concealed carry license, why should his license be invalid in New Jersey? His Kansas drivers license is valid in New Jersey, and driving isn't even a constitutional right.
The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right. Shouldn't it apply evenly across all 50 states?
McCamy Taylor (16,520 posts)
12. By this argument, you should be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater
because you can yell "fire" in a deserted open field. Both protected freedom of speech.
A hunting rifle with a scope that is appropriate in the woods may not be appropriate in DC during the inauguration.
needledriver (431 posts)
16. You can yell fire in a crowded theater
if the theater is on fire.
The gun control argument is that you wouldn't even be allowed to have the word fire in a crowded theater. If the theater is actually on fire you can't say anything to warn people because you are not allowed to possess the word.
The OP is about mandatory recognition of out of state concealed carry permits.
My reply was a question whether constitutional rights should apply equally in all 50 states.
You suggested it would be a bad idea to bring a hunting weapon to a Presidential inauguration. I agree. What has that got to do with recognizing an out of state concealed carry permit as part of a uniform interpretation of the right to keep and bear arms across the entire United States?
BOOM!
pnwmom (79,421 posts)
14. What part of a "militia" don't you understand? I don't think the 2nd amendment
was ever written with the idea that assault weapons would be carried by private individuals.
branford (4,424 posts)
17. The militia, regular and irregular, are private individuals,
and the weapons they require as part of service are individual weapons of war, i.e., "assault weapons."
As a legal matter, the strict militia perspective on the 2A actually prioritizes "assault weapons" over handguns.
In any event, the law at issue primarily concerns concealed carry handguns, and seeks to treat licenses to own and carry them just like driver's licenses under a full faith and credit regime (and driver's licenses are not constitutionally protected like firearms).
Hear! Hear!
Shaneen Allen should never have been arrested and have her life threatened to be destroyed.
needledriver (431 posts)
18. Whether you think it or not
The Militia clause of the Second Amendment is simply one example of why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is by no means a limitation on the right, nor is the right exclusive to members of the militia. The Supreme Court states that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. However, if you insist that being in the Militia be a prerequisite to bearing arms, keep in mind that the Militia laws define membership in the Militia loosely enough that practically every adult in the United States is a member of the unorganized Militia, and that Militia service requires a weapon suitable for military service. So, membership in the Militia would require that I not own an "assault weapon" (semi automatic tactical sporting rifle) but an actual assault rifle (fully automatic hand held machine gun). Are you sure this is what you want to push for?
yallerdawg (8,229 posts)
26. The Constitution, particularly the 2nd Amendment...
was delivered unto us on a tablet, and is infallible.
Never mind it just gave us Corrupt Trump - "guns."
Said the Proglodytes who search the penumbras of the Constitution to find allowances for abortion, sodomy and gay "marriage."
McCamy Taylor (16,520 posts)
11. Good grief! It's a law to enable hitmen to conduct business more easily.
world wide wally (7,361 posts)
19. They want to make sure their brownshirts can shoot people all over the country when they complete
their basic training in Mississippi and Alabama
Damned small government Nazis!
rickford66 (1,404 posts)
31. I feel fairly safe here in New York ....
Let's keep it that way.
HoneyBadger (540 posts)
32. NY is concealed carry only
You would never know who was carrying.
oneshooter (8,024 posts)
35. And only the 1% can afford the permit. n/t
DonnaRx7 (12 posts)
49. IT is about time
Some of us that are weaker than the typical predator appreciate not having to go unarmed when we travel.
