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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: TheSarge on November 05, 2008, 06:40:24 AM
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What must our enemies be thinking?
Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.
According to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.
This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."
Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.
The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.
It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html
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Read this piece of that article carefully people:
Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.
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The president should have taken pointers from Reagan. Reagan didn't "cross over to the other side" for political gain. He did what was right and didn't make excuses for it.
Bush has tried to reach across the aisle, as did McCain, and it was not only unsuccessful politically, but worked against them.
The President has protected us since 9/11. He has been a force to reckon with. He's squashed multiple attempts of subsequent attacks. But the liberals don't care, they will continue to bash him until the day he leaves office.
But no worries, I will give Barrack the same respect.
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The president should have taken pointers from Reagan. Reagan didn't "cross over to the other side" for political gain. He did what was right and didn't make excuses for it.
Bush has tried to reach across the aisle, as did McCain, and it was not only unsuccessful politically, but worked against them.
The President has protected us since 9/11. He has been a force to reckon with. He's squashed multiple attempts of subsequent attacks. But the liberals don't care, they will continue to bash him until the day he leaves office.
But no worries, I will give Barrack the same respect.
Does that mean that you will give Obama the same respect that you gave Bush, or that you will give him the same respect that the left has given Bush? :-)
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Does that mean that you will give Obama the same respect that you gave Bush, or that you will give him the same respect that the left has given Bush? :-)
The latter. Barrack--> :hammer: <---me
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we have no choice but to give obama a chance...
it makes sense for us too, because lets say he actually does have intentions of staying in the middle ??
if he stays in the middle, that means he keeps Pelosi & Reid on the left & that is GOOD for us...
if we do not support his effort to at least keep some of his presidential campaign promises of guiding from the middle, then he will fall right into the lap of the left , where he will find support...
lets not be stupid ANYMORE.... for 7 years straight we've been close to the dumbest political party in the history of the world & acted drunk w/ power & shrugged off the future consequences...
today its time to pay the piper....
so lets be smart about it, soften the damage... for the sake of our country , our military & conservative values...
stick to our values & people will follow....
that means NEO CONS either need to STFU or become traditional conservatives , or jump over to the militant left where they belong...
mccain had no shot in this election because of Bush & especially neo cons ....
mccain conceded like a man & told us now to the do same, for our own good .....
listen to john mccain....
give obama a year before passing judgement &/or till major bills/orders come up.......support his efforts to at least keep pelosi/reid on a leash & encourage what very few republicans are left in the congress/senate to get some of our voices heard ....
if obama just bends over for the left & just trashes everything we hold dear, then rip into him full force.... but see what he does first before trying to alienate him...
Neo Cons lost this election because they walked over EVERYONE, including people who usually vote republican these past 7 years....
don't make that mistake again...
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The president should have taken pointers from Reagan. Reagan didn't "cross over to the other side" for political gain. He did what was right and didn't make excuses for it.
Bush has tried to reach across the aisle, as did McCain, and it was not only unsuccessful politically, but worked against them.
The President has protected us since 9/11. He has been a force to reckon with. He's squashed multiple attempts of subsequent attacks. But the liberals don't care, they will continue to bash him until the day he leaves office.
But no worries, I will give Barrack the same respect.
Our left are like muzzies, they see any attempt to really work together as pure weakness and will destroy you for that weakness.
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we have no choice but to give obama a chance...
it makes sense for us too, because lets say he actually does have intentions of staying in the middle ??
if he stays in the middle, that means he keeps Pelosi & Reid on the left & that is GOOD for us...
if we do not support his effort to at least keep some of his presidential campaign promises of guiding from the middle, then he will fall right into the lap of the left , where he will find support...
lets not be stupid ANYMORE.... for 7 years straight we've been close to the dumbest political party in the history of the world & acted drunk w/ power & shrugged off the future consequences...
today its time to pay the piper....
so lets be smart about it, soften the damage... for the sake of our country , our military & conservative values...
stick to our values & people will follow....
that means NEO CONS either need to STFU or become traditional conservatives , or jump over to the militant left where they belong...
mccain had no shot in this election because of Bush & especially neo cons ....
mccain conceded like a man & told us now to the do same, for our own good .....
listen to john mccain....
give obama a year before passing judgement &/or till major bills/orders come up.......support his efforts to at least keep pelosi/reid on a leash & encourage what very few republicans are left in the congress/senate to get some of our voices heard ....
if obama just bends over for the left & just trashes everything we hold dear, then rip into him full force.... but see what he does first before trying to alienate him...
Neo Cons lost this election because they walked over EVERYONE, including people who usually vote republican these past 7 years....
don't make that mistake again...
:bs: :lies:
Roll over and play dead...NOT on your life....the real fun starts now...Payback is a bitch. :-)
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payback ??
you have NO POWER hawkgirl...
the GOP is DONE ...
the lefty moonbats you fools allowed to take things over now have TOTAL CONTROL ....
if you haven't learned by now that barking out mindless nonsense doesn't get people on your side, then I guess your future holds nothing but anger , hate & misery.....
for you its time to be a leader for once & get people believing in conservative values....
obviously thats something you haven't had to do in your lifetime....
I have...
I was a teenager when carter was screwing this whole country up...
I was 8 years old when LBJ was getting our boys blown to bits in vietnam while all the dumbass hippies were trashing this country here....
I saw reagan lead all us out of that, because he GOT PEOPLE ON HIS SIDE ....
he did not do that by acting like these dumbass rabid dog neo cons have these past 7 years ....
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Oh now, John, sir, you're wrong.
Hawkgirl does indeed have power, in one way or the other, that she didn't before.
In my case--since I can't describe Hawkgirl--I'm newly empowered, newly strengthened, newly liberated, free as a bird now, the burden of having to "defend" having been lifted from these shoulders.
There probably other ways others here are newly empowered, newly strengthened, newly liberated, free as a bird, but that's something each person has to discern inside himself.
I think Hawkgirl has power, and it's going to be interesting to see.
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we have no choice but to give obama a chance...
it makes sense for us too, because lets say he actually does have intentions of staying in the middle ??
if he stays in the middle, that means he keeps Pelosi & Reid on the left & that is GOOD for us...
if we do not support his effort to at least keep some of his presidential campaign promises of guiding from the middle, then he will fall right into the lap of the left , where he will find support...
lets not be stupid ANYMORE.... for 7 years straight we've been close to the dumbest political party in the history of the world & acted drunk w/ power & shrugged off the future consequences...
today its time to pay the piper....
so lets be smart about it, soften the damage... for the sake of our country , our military & conservative values...
stick to our values & people will follow....
that means NEO CONS either need to STFU or become traditional conservatives , or jump over to the militant left where they belong...
mccain had no shot in this election because of Bush & especially neo cons ....
mccain conceded like a man & told us now to the do same, for our own good .....
listen to john mccain....
give obama a year before passing judgement &/or till major bills/orders come up.......support his efforts to at least keep pelosi/reid on a leash & encourage what very few republicans are left in the congress/senate to get some of our voices heard ....
if obama just bends over for the left & just trashes everything we hold dear, then rip into him full force.... but see what he does first before trying to alienate him...
Neo Cons lost this election because they walked over EVERYONE, including people who usually vote republican these past 7 years....
don't make that mistake again...
(http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/63/picardnofacepalmlf3.jpg)
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we have no choice but to give obama a chance...
it makes sense for us too, because lets say he actually does have intentions of staying in the middle ??
if he stays in the middle, that means he keeps Pelosi & Reid on the left & that is GOOD for us...
if we do not support his effort to at least keep some of his presidential campaign promises of guiding from the middle, then he will fall right into the lap of the left , where he will find support...
lets not be stupid ANYMORE.... for 7 years straight we've been close to the dumbest political party in the history of the world & acted drunk w/ power & shrugged off the future consequences...
today its time to pay the piper....
so lets be smart about it, soften the damage... for the sake of our country , our military & conservative values...
stick to our values & people will follow....
that means NEO CONS either need to STFU or become traditional conservatives , or jump over to the militant left where they belong...
mccain had no shot in this election because of Bush & especially neo cons ....
mccain conceded like a man & told us now to the do same, for our own good .....
listen to john mccain....
give obama a year before passing judgement &/or till major bills/orders come up.......support his efforts to at least keep pelosi/reid on a leash & encourage what very few republicans are left in the congress/senate to get some of our voices heard ....
if obama just bends over for the left & just trashes everything we hold dear, then rip into him full force.... but see what he does first before trying to alienate him...
Neo Cons lost this election because they walked over EVERYONE, including people who usually vote republican these past 7 years....
don't make that mistake again...
A man comes into your house with a gun. You:
A) blow his ass away
B) give him a chance -- hey, maybe his mask, bag and gun are just leftover Halloween costume stuff!
The new fuhrer will get NO chance from me. My fight against him and his socialist fascism starts TODAY and won't end until he is impeached and leaves the office in total shame and, hopefully, personal misery.
Go back to CU, JCC --- they like libtards there.
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A man comes into your house with a gun. You:
A) blow his ass away
B) give him a chance -- hey, maybe his mask, bag and gun are just leftover Halloween costume stuff!
The new fuhrer will get NO chance from me. My fight against him and his socialist fascism starts TODAY and won't end until he is impeached and leaves the office in total shame and, hopefully, personal misery.
Go back to CU, JCC --- they like libtards there.
well then enjoy the communism you fools bring on yourself...
and I can assure you they will have more firepower than you do....
& you need to get one thing straight.....you are the FACSIST, he is the SOCIALIST
you don't deserve power & I guess the LORDS WILL has spoken...
the lord didn't put obama in power, he took you fools OUT of power ...
show some class & do as our CHRISTIAN LEADER john mccain has asked....
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We are no longer on the defensive....we no longer have to defend President Bush that he didn't "steal" the election.
From that one incident...the man ( and us Republicans) has had to defend himself for 8 YEARS on every decision he has made whether it be what our military is doing, has done, will do.....to foreign policy...to national disasters...to the economy....to whether or not the sun will rise in the east. GW has had to defend himself for eating a pretzel during a football game when he choked on it!!!!
President Bush has not, could not, would not ......do any thing that the Democrats "approved" of ...for 8 YEARS!!!
Anyone who has voted for the man ...who liked him and what he was doing....has had to defend him against others for 8 YEARS!!!
God Bless GW and his family....he has gone through more in 8 years than any other president (with the exception of those during the Civil War, and WW I and II).
I truly believe George W Bush is a fine man. A man who has stood by his beliefs and made decisions that have been horribly hard .....while people have spit in his face....and treated him with the worst disrespect I have ever seen a president treated in my almost 56 years.
He has not deserved this and I hope from the bottom of my heart...that history will be kind to him and he finally will get the respect he has always been entitled to and not received.
That being said......
We Republicans must take this time to renew and find ourselves and someone out there who will represent our values, our wants and desires for our country.
In the meantime....we must stand silent against the Democratic "gloat" which will come at us for the next several months. We must not sink to their level of hate and animosity. We are better than that.
We must quietly prepare...prepare to protect ourselves, our families, our country. We must quietly go on the offensive.
The Democrats are a fickle group.
By June...when Obama has been in for 6 months and there have not been the changes that he has promised....the "masses" that voted for him will start the rumblings of discontent. When the economy is still in the tank....the rumblings will become louder. When we still have military in the mideast....the rumblings will become even louder. When those tax cuts do not appear.....the rumblings will become rage.
WE must be ready.....not with "we told you so's " ...but with a candidate that can pull the country together. To save the country from it's citizens.
WE MUST be ready for the winds of change ...that are not the gentle breeze of flowers, love, peace and happiness...but the tornadic winds of destruction.
WE MUST BE READY......
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Great one, debk, madam.
For the record, of all the presidents of my own cognizant liftime, George Bush has proven miles above all the others in character, principle, morality, and ethics.
I'm going to be crying January 20, 2009--not because the Big Zero's taking over, but because George Bush is leaving.
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well then enjoy the communism you fools bring on yourself...
and I can assure you they will have more firepower than you do....
& you need to get one thing straight.....you are the FACSIST, he is the SOCIALIST
you don't deserve power & I guess the LORDS WILL has spoken...
the lord didn't put obama in power, he took you fools OUT of power ...
show some class & do as our CHRISTIAN LEADER john mccain has asked....
You silly fu*k...you're so stuck in your ignorant spittle flinging self righteous bullsh*t that you are sounding just like the DUmmies.
Calling Republicans and Conservatives "Fascist".
If you actually were intellectually curious enough to research the term you'd find it has everything to do with how the Democrat party of the USA wants to run things and NOTHING to do with Republicans and other members of this board.
But no...you'd rather ingornatly toss out words that have a meaning that you are clueless to understnad cause itr makes YOU feel all high and might and a cut above us little people.
I don't give a sh*t if Coach was right or not when he told me you don't believe the crap you type and that you just do it to stir sh*t...you and your inbred backwrds thinking type of citizen is why this country is going to hell in a handbasket.
FOAD
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Obama will receive NO support from me. He will institute things that are contrary to the Constitution. He will bring this country into failure. If anything, I will be part of any resistance movement against him, his cabinet and the evil that he will bring to this country.
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For the record, of all the presidents of my own cognizant liftime, George Bush has proven miles above all the others in character, principle, morality, and ethics.
I'm going to be crying January 20, 2009--not because the Big Zero's taking over, but because George Bush is leaving.
I will shed no tears for GWB, all that you said is true, yet here we stand watching Barack gloat.
There comes a time when those that we elect need to fight not only the external battle against our enemies they need to fight the internal battle against political enemies. GWB never did that, he sat back and watched the dems get stronger and stronger and did nothing to stop it. Barack is Bush's legacy - not a pretty sight.
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Great one, debk, madam.
For the record, of all the presidents of my own cognizant liftime, George Bush has proven miles above all the others in character, principle, morality, and ethics.
I'm going to be crying January 20, 2009--not because the Big Zero's taking over, but because George Bush is leaving.
With respect, I disagree. Bush ran as a conservative, but governed as a moderate, much like his father. The only significant reason he won in 2004 was 9/11 was still on people's minds. Dole and McCain ran as moderates and lost.
We won in 1980, 1984, and 1994 because we ran (and governed in the first two cases at least) as CONSERVATIVES, and stuck to it. Bush reached across the aisle for eight years, and look where it got him. Reagan didn't do so nearly as much, but he knew how to take his message to the American people. Conservatism in this country will not truly come back until such a person arises again.
Bush was a drag on McCain, not that he needed any to lose. I've little to no use for the man. OBAMA is the Bush legacy. Good riddance.
And when the liberals realize life under Dear Leader gets no better and in many cases gets worse, I will not only be ready to retake the nation under the debate of ideas and actions, but I'll have no problem rubbing liberals noses in their own shit at the same time.
Schadenfreude, indeed.
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well then enjoy the communism you fools bring on yourself...
and I can assure you they will have more firepower than you do....
& you need to get one thing straight.....you are the FACSIST, he is the SOCIALIST
you don't deserve power & I guess the LORDS WILL has spoken...
the lord didn't put obama in power, he took you fools OUT of power ...
show some class & do as our CHRISTIAN LEADER john mccain has asked....
I will not rest until the new fascist fuhrer is dragged away in chains. His entire administration will be spent protecting his position and dealing (badly) with the terrost attack to come.
Go back to CU, ****ing asshole libtard. Go and suck your fuhrer's dick like you did his democratic predecessor.
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Obama will receive NO support from me. He will institute things that are contrary to the Constitution. He will bring this country into failure. If anything, I will be part of any resistance movement against him, his cabinet and the evil that he will bring to this country.
The batting order of BOR the fuhrer will take out:
* 2nd Amendment (without this you can't get rid of the rest)
* 1st Amendment (The "fairness" doctrine, make political correctness the Law of the Land)
* 4th Amendment (his "Domestic Milita" aka The Black Panthers will have the right to kick in any door of a suspected dissenter)
* 5th Amendment (the accused is now guilty until proven innocent -- if white, anyway)
The rest will fall like dominoes.
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we have no choice ...
yadda, yadda, yadda...
spittle, spittle, spittle...
don't make that mistake again...
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b293/aggie8387/doggie2.jpg)
That really says it all.
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payback ??
you have NO POWER hawkgirl...
the GOP is DONE ...
the lefty moonbats you fools allowed to take things over now have TOTAL CONTROL ....
if you haven't learned by now that barking out mindless nonsense doesn't get people on your side, then I guess your future holds nothing but anger , hate & misery.....
for you its time to be a leader for once & get people believing in conservative values....
obviously thats something you haven't had to do in your lifetime....
I have...
I was a teenager when carter was screwing this whole country up...
I was 8 years old when LBJ was getting our boys blown to bits in vietnam while all the dumbass hippies were trashing this country here....
I saw reagan lead all us out of that, because he GOT PEOPLE ON HIS SIDE ....
he did not do that by acting like these dumbass rabid dog neo cons have these past 7 years ....
Are you a dope in Real Life or do you just play one online? The GOP is done? :rotf: Was the GOP done after Carter? After Clinton? We may have steered off course, only because the current administration and McCain were trying to govern from the middle.
Come back to reality, the GOP will rise above this and re-take power back in the next midterm election and in the Presidential election in 2012. Barrack will screw this country and I will be there to say "I told you so" and "impeach" louder than the DUmmies.
I do have power...I alone got most of my staff (I supervise 50 employees) interested in politics again during this election. I educated my staff on the policies. Eventhough some didn't agree with me, I brought conversation to politics and away from American Idol.
So kindly, go **** yourself, power in numbers, bitch.
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We Republicans must take this time to renew and find ourselves and someone out there who will represent our values, our wants and desires for our country.
In the meantime....we must stand silent against the Democratic "gloat" which will come at us for the next several months. We must not sink to their level of hate and animosity. We are better than that.
WE must be ready.....not with "we told you so's " ...but with a candidate that can pull the country together.
WE MUST BE READY......
Hi-5 for that. We must not sink to their level. We must show that we are indeed the better men and women, and provide a viable option instead of crass criticism. And we must remind those who will listen of the differences between us.
This is why I don't use names like Obamessiah or Messiahitler or Hitlary. Calling your opponent a childish name makes you look petty, and makes your arguments (as lucid as they are) look petty as well. I'm not saying we have to overlook the failings of our opponents, or play nicey-nice to them. But don't descend to their level; they're much better at being venomous, angry, and bitter than we are.
Criticize Obama. Challenge his party's actions. Speak up for your beliefs. But don't descend into petty name calling.
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Hi-5 for that. We must not sink to their level. We must show that we are indeed the better men and women, and provide a viable option instead of crass criticism. And we must remind those who will listen of the differences between us.
This is why I don't use names like Obamessiah or Messiahitler or Hitlary. Calling your opponent a childish name makes you look petty, and makes your arguments (as lucid as they are) look petty as well. I'm not saying we have to overlook the failings of our opponents, or play nicey-nice to them. But don't descend to their level; they're much better at being venomous, angry, and bitter than we are.
Criticize Obama. Challenge his party's actions. Speak up for your beliefs. But don't descend into petty name calling.
Exactly and a H5 back!
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Oh now, you all know it's in light-hearted fun, that I make up names for primitives and politicians, names which more adequately describe them.
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Oh now, you all know it's in light-hearted fun, that I make up names for primitives and politicians, names which more adequately describe them.
I get it, and occasionally do the same among friends. But when speaking or posting publicly (your discretion as to whether or not CC is 'public'), don't sink to their level.
That is all... I'm really not that much of a wet blanket. :cheersmate:
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Oh now, you all know it's in light-hearted fun, that I make up names for primitives and politicians, names which more adequately describe them.
Of course it is....and this is the best place to vent....call them all the names you want.
I was referring to out in "public".....this is the "comfort zone"....
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I get it, and occasionally do the same among friends. But when speaking or posting publicly (your discretion as to whether or not CC is 'public'), don't sink to their level.
That is all... I'm really not that much of a wet blanket. :cheersmate:
I started today using the term "the fuhrer" in public. I will never again utter the fuhrer's given name in public again. He will be "the fuhrer" until his term ends.
And the original German Fuhrer will be viewed as a piker compared to what this one will allow to happen to Israel. And the karter years will seem like a picnic compared to what is to come unten das fuhrer's rule -- Domestic SS Corps notwithstanding.
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Are you a dope in Real Life or do you just play one online? The GOP is done? :rotf: Was the GOP done after Carter? After Clinton? We may have steered off course, only because the current administration and McCain were trying to govern from the middle.
Come back to reality, the GOP will rise above this and re-take power back in the next midterm election and in the Presidential election in 2012. Barrack will screw this country and I will be there to say "I told you so" and "impeach" louder than the DUmmies.
I do have power...I alone got most of my staff (I supervise 50 employees) interested in politics again during this election. I educated my staff on the policies. Eventhough some didn't agree with me, I brought conversation to politics and away from American Idol.
So kindly, go **** yourself, power in numbers, bitch.
jcc is one of the fagguest fags on the interwebz. he can't really think so he lets his handlers upstream tell him what to think.
If I didn't detest him so much I would pity him. I think he is in line right now to suck his fuhrer's dick. As you can imagine, it is a long line. The only person not in it is mrs. fuhrer.
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Debk, you speak for me when you say not to sink to their level, that we need to rise above them in order to prevail. My thought on it exactly.
I am not the least bit angry, like my political counterpart has been for the past 8 years. Instead, I am very sad and disappointed by it. I did not care for John McCain, and I did end up voting for him just for the sake of trying to keep Obama out of office. The whole thing makes me sick to be honest, but there's not a lot that can be done.
I don't think that many conservatives/Republicans turned the other political cheek and just became part of Obama's haze. I think many of them may have just sat this one out due to his support of the bailout. John McCain wasn't the right man to be put out there. I was disappointed that he was our choice. I thought that after 30 seats were lost in Congress 2 years ago, the GOP would get their crap together and prepare for this election.
The left is now going to have a field day rubbing our nose in Obama's liberalness.
And Debk, I too am both relieved to NOT have to hear all the vitriol against President George W. Bush. That doesn't mean that I won't be more than willing to impugn his policies. There is a big difference between that and calling him stupid names like "Chimpy". I seriously wonder how many liberal tabloids (such as the NYTs and the like) even addressed him as "President" Bush.
You can be rest assured that the MSM media will not allow Obama to take the heat or be the blame for the misery of his constituency when they discover his campaign promises are empty...or if they do materialize and things are totally screwed up because of his Marxist policies, they will deny him of any blame. I think the Obama presidency washes away the Clintons, which is bad for the GOP, because it gives the Democrat party a fresh(er) start. This is why I think this makes this all that much worse.
All in all, I think George Bush's downfall was his attempt to try to please those who refused to be give him any sort of respect to begin with because he won the 2000 election and they lost. That set the tone for them, giving them every excuse for him to be their scapegoat. I wonder where their misplaced anger will take them in a year or so from now.
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Anybody that thinks we need to take the "high road" is going to hurt the GOP and conservatism as a whole. Folks, this is NOT an area where people can "play nice". That mentality is one of the things that hurt the McCain campaign. He wanted to "play nice" and not drag out the shit against Obama. Had he hammered Obama from the git-go, he just may have won the election.
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Anybody that thinks we need to take the "high road" is going to hurt the GOP and conservatism as a whole. Folks, this is NOT an area where people can "play nice". That mentality is one of the things that hurt the McCain campaign. He wanted to "play nice" and not drag out the shit against Obama. Had he hammered Obama from the git-go, he just may have won the election.
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While it's not in my nature to be mean ( :evillaugh:) standing idle and taking the high road will be ineffective. If you intend to keep the libtards in charge for the next 8 years or more, then by all means, be a nice guy/gal. If you want to "de-throne" them at the next midterm election and presidential election following, take off the gloves. Not in the silly way the libtards do...but in facts, checks and holding "that one" accountable for every campaign promise he made. Nothing is off limits.
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While it's not in my nature to be mean ( :evillaugh:) standing idle and taking the high road will be ineffective. If you intend to keep the libtards in charge for the next 8 years or more, then by all means, be a nice guy/gal. If you want to "de-throne" them at the next midterm election and presidential election following, take off the gloves. Not in the silly way the libtards do...but in facts, checks and holding "that one" accountable for every campaign promise he made. Nothing is off limits.
there's nothing wrong with an occasional detour down the low road. i interpret what they're saying as juvenile name calling and constant finger pointing detract from the public image of conservatives. we need to present a different vision from big government nanny statism, and the principles we currently hold DO resonate with the people. acting like a child just drives people away before they even hear the message.
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While it's not in my nature to be mean ( :evillaugh:) standing idle and taking the high road will be ineffective. If you intend to keep the libtards in charge for the next 8 years or more, then by all means, be a nice guy/gal. If you want to "de-throne" them at the next midterm election and presidential election following, take off the gloves. Not in the silly way the libtards do...but in facts, checks and holding "that one" accountable for every campaign promise he made. Nothing is off limits.
there's nothing wrong with an occasional detour down the low road. i interpret what they're saying as juvenile name calling and constant finger pointing detract from the public image of conservatives. we need to present a different vision from big government nanny statism, and the principles we currently hold DO resonate with the people. acting like a child just drives people away before they even hear the message.
There is an adult way to go about this...and there is the childish way that Liberals have acted for the last 8 years.
It is one thing to hold an individual accountable for their promises and actual actions.....in an adult way. "hey, you aren't doing what you promised to the voters on January 20, 2009 in you inauguration speech on the United States Capital steps in paragraph 23, on line 4 in sentence 3."
That is adult, that is factual, there is actual proof of your commitment to do something and you failed.
As opposed to being snarky, childish and sometimes ridiculous. Blaming GW for natural disasters or even 9/11 is a perfect example. He had no control over those incidents.....yet since 2001, and 2005 we have heard him blamed for them. Not only the followup of the disasters, but the actual disasters themselves.
If we have a horrendous natural disaster on February 20, 2009....it will not be Obama's fault.....any more than it would have been McCain's. To blame Obama for the disaster itself....would be childish and a Liberal attitude.
We, as Republicans....must not sink to that level.
If he does not tend to the disaster effects properly....then by all means....he should be taken to task on every little thing that he does wrong....provided that it a real and factual failing.
Things can not be made up just to "attack and gotcha".....that is a "liberal" behavior.
We, as Republicans....are better than that.
We, as Republicans....must attack on the factual events....facts that can be backed up with real....not fabricated ....data.
Statistics are showing that Joe and Jane American do not want to hear dirty low snarkyness....they want to know that things are going to be fixed.
Obama in his speeches....said he was going to fix things...and enumerated what he was going to fix....the fact that he didn't really explain how he was going to fix them.....apparently didn't make much of a difference.
McCain hammered away about Ayers, Wright, et al....and obviously the majority of voters didn't really care. They heard McCain say that he didn't know much about the economy....and that 'fundamentally' American economy was strong and it tanked a few days later.
Obama may be young, inexperienced, and not know a whole lot about much of anything......however....he never admitted to not knowing about something!!!
That was a major difference in the two candidates. Like most of us....McCain was honest in his admission that he wasn't as knowledgeable in a particular area as he should be. Obama stood up at rallies and dazzled people with his footwork and baffled them with his bullshit!
And the voters bought it!!!!!
It comes down to the majority of voters are not interested in the how things are going to be fixed.....only that they will be fixed. Show them results.....and they are happy and content and life will go on tomorrow as it did yesterday.
Republicans are going to have to be very careful in the next 4 years to keep track of the actual promised failings and point them out. Reasonably, intellectually, and above all with facts...not supposition.
Then a candidate must be found who is confident, even to the point of arrogance, attractive, reasonably young and articulate! Baffle the masses with bullshit!
Think about Clinton and Obama....that's exactly what the two of them did. Both of them were/are smooth talkers, in their 40's, attractive - even sexy, to many, and they won!
Four the last several years....Letterman has had a spot on his show....nightly....of GW acting like an inarticulate dork!!!! The man is not dumb by any means.....he just is not a dazzling bs'er.
It's sad that it comes down to this.....but it's obvious that it has.
I wanted Thompson, but I'm not sure it would have made a difference as he was older, not that attractive and a bit monotonal when he spoke. Though I was not overly impressed with Romney....maybe he would have been a better choice up against Obama. Huckabee is too "country" and earnest, and I don't think he would have been effective at all against Obama.
In my opinion, the GOP is going to have to come up with the "dazzler" in order to take the Presidency away from the Liberals.
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the principles we currently hold DO resonate with the people.
If that were true, we'd have a different result because that is what McCain did. He wouldn't bring up Rezko, Wright, Ayers. The democrats went after Palin's unwed daughter, her wardrobe and too many other things to even remember. They published photos of McCain being crapped on. They were VICIOUS and they won by a LANDSLIDE. Americans voted for men who called them racist rednecks and bitter jesus freaks. And this was not even from the media but from the candidates themselves. Times have changed.
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Yes, times have changed.
They changed from the time that the family unit was the most influential element in a youngster's life. Now it's X-box, iPod, and cell phones.
The family unit - particularly in the demographic that resonated to Obama's incessant drumbeat - is largely a thing of the past. So is work ethic.
For young women, having babies by multitudes of different fathers is actually pretty chic. They don't blink an eye about that. Money for the kids? No problem! That's what welfare is for!
For conservatives to overcome Bamalot, a few things are going to have to happen:
1. Obama's policies will have to seriously erode America's wallets - that's the thing that gets our attention. Children having children and the fact that the family unit went belly-up about 35 years ago doesn't seem to matter so much, but paying over $4 a gallon for gas certainly does.
2. Capturing the love of the new minority - Hispanics - will need to be a priority. The new conservative leadership will have to capture the entrepreneurial spirit of most LEGAL Hispanics, most of whom work their asses off.
3. Speaking of that new conservative leadership, that person is going to have to be as optimistic as most of us are cynical. Breaking through cynicism is a key element and while most of us wouldn't trust a politician any farther than we could throw Fatass Ted, recapturing that essence, that vibrance, of optimism is a very powerful force.
Like it or not, Obama had those things for a lot of people - he didn't have it for me, personally, because from the moment I heard the asshole speak at the Dem convention in 2004, I knew he was fraud. But he somehow struck a chord in a lot of different people across all sorts of demographics.
The traditional blue states are going to remain blue. Most of the red states are rural, where people are self-sufficient and tough. From a numbers perspective, things are going to have to tip back toward the conservative side and that element, oddly enough, is leadership.
All that said, I'd suggest that leadership is the key factor. The conservative movement right now doesn't have a leader. Bush never was the leader of the Republican party - much less conservatives - and that vacuum has sucked the life out of said conservative movement.
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Anybody that thinks we need to take the "high road" is going to hurt the GOP and conservatism as a whole. Folks, this is NOT an area where people can "play nice". That mentality is one of the things that hurt the McCain campaign. He wanted to "play nice" and not drag out the shit against Obama. Had he hammered Obama from the git-go, he just may have won the election.
Well said! Sometimes you got to play dirty. I am a nice guy usually.
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Yes, times have changed.
They changed from the time that the family unit was the most influential element in a youngster's life. Now it's X-box, iPod, and cell phones.
The family unit - particularly in the demographic that resonated to Obama's incessant drumbeat - is largely a thing of the past. So is work ethic.
For young women, having babies by multitudes of different fathers is actually pretty chic. They don't blink an eye about that. Money for the kids? No problem! That's what welfare is for!
For conservatives to overcome Bamalot, a few things are going to have to happen:
1. Obama's policies will have to seriously erode America's wallets - that's the thing that gets our attention. Children having children and the fact that the family unit went belly-up about 35 years ago doesn't seem to matter so much, but paying over $4 a gallon for gas certainly does.
2. Capturing the love of the new minority - Hispanics - will need to be a priority. The new conservative leadership will have to capture the entrepreneurial spirit of most LEGAL Hispanics, most of whom work their asses off.
3. Speaking of that new conservative leadership, that person is going to have to be as optimistic as most of us are cynical. Breaking through cynicism is a key element and while most of us wouldn't trust a politician any farther than we could throw Fatass Ted, recapturing that essence, that vibrance, of optimism is a very powerful force.
Like it or not, Obama had those things for a lot of people - he didn't have it for me, personally, because from the moment I heard the ******* speak at the Dem convention in 2004, I knew he was fraud. But he somehow struck a chord in a lot of different people across all sorts of demographics.
The traditional blue states are going to remain blue. Most of the red states are rural, where people are self-sufficient and tough. From a numbers perspective, things are going to have to tip back toward the conservative side and that element, oddly enough, is leadership.
All that said, I'd suggest that leadership is the key factor. The conservative movement right now doesn't have a leader. Bush never was the leader of the Republican party - much less conservatives - and that vacuum has sucked the life out of said conservative movement.
Hispanics are going to be more split than Blacks. Blacks from rural areas are more conservative than urban ones.
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In my opinion, the GOP is going to have to come up with the "dazzler" in order to take the Presidency away from the Liberals.
*drum roll*
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/03/PH2008100300302.jpg)
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While it's not in my nature to be mean ( :evillaugh:) standing idle and taking the high road will be ineffective. If you intend to keep the libtards in charge for the next 8 years or more, then by all means, be a nice guy/gal. If you want to "de-throne" them at the next midterm election and presidential election following, take off the gloves. Not in the silly way the libtards do...but in facts, checks and holding "that one" accountable for every campaign promise he made. Nothing is off limits.
I think you are probably right...we need to nail them where it counts though, not with silly names and with temper tantrums like they did for 8 years. They need to be hammered and exposed for what they are, what they intend to do, and the truth about why we are currently at where we are (economically speaking). That last one might be a total waste of time.
We are going to be facing an economic holocaust with the Dems in control, but just like FDR did, they will try hard to blame it on their predecessor. That can only last for so long. LET them blame it on Bush and his administration, although that is not the whole truth of the matter, and then turn it onto their failure to fix the mess.
They sure as hell did set the political rules of engagement the whole time Bush has been in office, and now they are already showing us that their rules don't apply to them (gee, sounds just like what the libtarded moderators on non-political message boards do).
Rule #1, according to them they could bring up Clinton, since when they did it, they were speaking favorably of him, but when we did it, we were shut down with, "He is NOT in office now, he is no longer the president!". Same thing applies now and forevermore with Obama in office. When Bush first took office, the economy was already going in a downward spiral, but he brought it up in a fairly expedient amount of time despite the travesty of 9-11. The economy remained strong up until the last few months of his presidency, which coincidentally was right before the election, and the Dems A-had gotten their ethanol bill passed, which contributed to the price of food going up, and B-Queen Bee Pelosi and her stupid donkey that she rides on Harry Reid arrogantly and childishly turned off the lights in the midst of the energy crisis, instead of voting on it. The Dems ultimately sabotaged the economy in order to make it a shoe-in for a Dem presidency.
They keep saying that the reason McCain lost is because he ran a "negative" campaign...that instead of talking about what we would do for the country, McCain kept pointing out what Obama would do. I really didn't see it that way at all. I thought McCain could have crucified Obama for the people he was/is tied to, but came off as MUCH more a gentleman instead of a maverick.
Here is the thing...the libtards failed to get Kerry elected, because they came up empty when it came to bashing Bush. They had nothing of real substance against him, except to piss and moan about Iraq. They hated him with a passion, and that had to do with them losing in 2000, and they sure as hell couldn't run on that platform.
I hardly think that exposing your political opponent for what they really are will cost them an election. I think it works, but you just have to have something real instead of hatred.
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If that were true, we'd have a different result because that is what McCain did. He wouldn't bring up Rezko, Wright, Ayers. The democrats went after Palin's unwed daughter, her wardrobe and too many other things to even remember. They published photos of McCain being crapped on. They were VICIOUS and they won by a LANDSLIDE. Americans voted for men who called them racist rednecks and bitter jesus freaks. And this was not even from the media but from the candidates themselves. Times have changed.
He focused on REPUBLICAN values. Not CONSERVATIVE values. Conservative values were really nowhere to be found in Washington during the last few years. Of course we got beat. It wasn't the message. It was that we didn't have anyone waving our flag.
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How THE HELL could McCain campaign against pork and then vote in favor of that bailout? It had enough pork to send a Muslim to hell.
And, while I agree that the treatment of Bush has been unfair, where was he on border security? where was he when the idiot republicans were spending like teenagers with their daddy's credit cards? Where was he on privatizing social security?
He was balls of steel on the war on terror. And for that, the most important issue of all, he deserves a hallowed place in history.
We got the shit kicked out of us in 2006. And we learned NOTHING.
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The president should have taken pointers from Reagan. Reagan didn't "cross over to the other side" for political gain. He did what was right and didn't make excuses for it.
Bush has tried to reach across the aisle, as did McCain, and it was not only unsuccessful politically, but worked against them.
The President has protected us since 9/11. He has been a force to reckon with. He's squashed multiple attempts of subsequent attacks. But the liberals don't care, they will continue to bash him until the day he leaves office.
But no worries, I will give Barrack the same respect.
Of course he did - he had to or he never would have got anything pushed through as the Democrats had the majority of Congress. Reagan and Tip O'Neil were also good friends.
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When I say, "we are better than that", I refer to the petty name-calling and other immature stunts (Google bombs, etc). These things tend to drive off people who might otherwise be convinced by our arguments.
I'm not saying we shouldn't hammer the Democrats mercilessly; we need to do that for the next four years forever. But we should not be petty and immature about it. In addition, we should lay out definite alternatives, instead of just complaining about their administration.
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The president should have taken pointers from Reagan. Reagan didn't "cross over to the other side" for political gain. He did what was right and didn't make excuses for it.
Bush has tried to reach across the aisle, as did McCain, and it was not only unsuccessful politically, but worked against them.
The President has protected us since 9/11. He has been a force to reckon with. He's squashed multiple attempts of subsequent attacks. But the liberals don't care, they will continue to bash him until the day he leaves office.
But no worries, I will give Barrack the same respect.
Sorry, but he didnt. He signed off on massive lib spending to get what he wanted.
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Of course he did - he had to or he never would have got anything pushed through as the Democrats had the majority of Congress. Reagan and Tip O'Neil were also good friends.
Yes and no, lurker--as the "Great Communicator", he knew he could use the Bully Pulpit to go straight to the people. More importantly, he knew HOW to use it.
Ask yourself this question--30 years ago, the Democrat party (as a whole) was more moderate than it is today, but one thing that remains constant, then as now, is that ALL politician seek reelection. Imagine, if you will, Reagan sitting down with O'Neill and basically stating in no uncertain terms that if he didn't get the tax cuts, defense spending, etc., that he had got, he'd take his case DIRECTLY to the American people, and in many cases, did just that.
Now I'm not saying he didn't also make comprimises--Reagan did raise a number of fees/taxes, and eliminated a number of deductions during his presidency. But at the end of the day, Reagan also had one other advantage that McCain wouldn't have had--reasonable Democrat leaders.
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Yes and no, lurker--as the "Great Communicator", he knew he could use the Bully Pulpit to go straight to the people. More importantly, he knew HOW to use it.
Ask yourself this question--30 years ago, the Democrat party (as a whole) was more moderate than it is today, but one thing that remains constant, then as now, is that ALL politician seek reelection. Imagine, if you will, Reagan sitting down with O'Neill and basically stating in no uncertain terms that if he didn't get the tax cuts, defense spending, etc., that he had got, he'd take his case DIRECTLY to the American people, and in many cases, did just that.
Now I'm not saying he didn't also make comprimises--Reagan did raise a number of fees/taxes, and eliminated a number of deductions during his presidency. But at the end of the day, Reagan also had one other advantage that McCain wouldn't have had--reasonable Democrat leaders.
He had to give some to get some, but you are right in that he was the master of that game.
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the lord didn't put obama in power, he took you fools OUT of power ...
Romans 13:1 begs to differ.
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
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Are you a dope in Real Life or do you just play one online? The GOP is done? :rotf: Was the GOP done after Carter? After Clinton? We may have steered off course, only because the current administration and McCain were trying to govern from the middle.
Come back to reality, the GOP will rise above this and re-take power back in the next midterm election and in the Presidential election in 2012. Barrack will screw this country and I will be there to say "I told you so" and "impeach" louder than the DUmmies.
I do have power...I alone got most of my staff (I supervise 50 employees) interested in politics again during this election. I educated my staff on the policies. Eventhough some didn't agree with me, I brought conversation to politics and away from American Idol.
So kindly, go **** yourself, power in numbers, bitch.
Reality and JCC have never met . They just acknowledge each other from time to time.
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With respect, I disagree. Bush ran as a conservative, but governed as a moderate, much like his father. The only significant reason he won in 2004 was 9/11 was still on people's minds. Dole and McCain ran as moderates and lost.
We won in 1980, 1984, and 1994 because we ran (and governed in the first two cases at least) as CONSERVATIVES, and stuck to it. Bush reached across the aisle for eight years, and look where it got him. Reagan didn't do so nearly as much, but he knew how to take his message to the American people. Conservatism in this country will not truly come back until such a person arises again.
Bush was a drag on McCain, not that he needed any to lose. I've little to no use for the man. OBAMA is the Bush legacy. Good riddance.
And when the liberals realize life under Dear Leader gets no better and in many cases gets worse, I will not only be ready to retake the nation under the debate of ideas and actions, but I'll have no problem rubbing liberals noses in their own shit at the same time.
Schadenfreude, indeed.
Ok, I skipped a few pages of this thread so forgive me while I catch up here.
GWB did not run as a conservative, he ran on his record as Governor -- which was social conservative, fiscal moderate.
At the time he was first elected, Billy-Jeff had thoroughly trashed the presidency with his indiscretions. The economy was in the early stages of free fall, which no one gave any attention to, so the priority for voters was family values/social conservatism.
GWB, while he made mistakes, is not the horrible president that the MSM makes him out to be. You and I both know that history will be very kind to GWB and Tony Blair for doing the impossible -- bringing democracy to the ME (which by the way is real "change").
The MSM has lost its way and has completely destroyed journalistic credibility. Putin only wishes he could exact the type of influence our media wields over our Nation. Unfortunately, while the MSM was successful in temporarily vilifying a good pesident, while installing a radical socialist in his place, they have pretty much nailed their own coffin. Their little social experiment will be their final downfall.
GWB did not give us Obama, the media did. The laughable "real conservatives" who stayed home -- which all indications point to their doing just that again in this election cycle, are nothing of the sort. A real conservative would eat his own before doing anything that would install a socialist into the office of presidency. A real conservative would move a mountain before allowing Congressional seats to be lost to socialists. A real conservative cares about the party more than their "feelings." A real conservative is a grown-up and understands the entire political landscape. Pretty freakin sad when Hillary Clinton understands that concept (witness her stumping for her political enemy Obama) more than the so-called "real conservatives."
You have no use for GWB? Slap yourself, New Hampshire is starting to seep into your brain. Just say no to that crap Sparky.
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Come back to reality, the GOP will rise above this and re-take power back in the next midterm election and in the Presidential election in 2012. Barrack will screw this country and I will be there to say "I told you so" and "impeach" louder than the DUmmies.
The Republican party will make up some signfiicant ground in the mid-term elections, but it will take several election cycles to reclaim the majority. All thanks to the "real conservatives" who decided to stay home to nurse their "feelings." Yeah, that will teach the RNC. :whatever:
Note: When the Republicans take back seats in two years, Lieberman will be snickering at Reid for taking away Chair seats from him now. The liberals are not forward thinking, and they never learn a damn thing from history.
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we have no choice but to give obama a chance...
By staying home, or voting for a chump candidate like Barr? Uh, no.
You going ahead with you rose colored glasses, while we worry about the damage that he will inflict on our country. Hell, maybe it won't be so bad right? It took Billy-Jeff 8 years to bring the WoT to our shores......
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Ok, I skipped a few pages of this thread so forgive me while I catch up here.
GWB did not run as a conservative, he ran on his record as Governor -- which was social conservative, fiscal moderate.
At the time he was first elected, Billy-Jeff had thoroughly trashed the presidency with his indiscretions. The economy was in the early stages of free fall, which no one gave any attention to, so the priority for voters was family values/social conservatism.
GWB, while he made mistakes, is not the horrible president that the MSM makes him out to be. You and I both know that history will be very kind to GWB and Tony Blair for doing the impossible -- bringing democracy to the ME (which by the way is real "change").
The MSM has lost its way and has completely destroyed journalistic credibility. Putin only wishes he could exact the type of influence our media wields over our Nation. Unfortunately, while the MSM was successful in temporarily vilifying a good pesident, while installing a radical socialist in his place, they have pretty much nailed their own coffin. Their little social experiment will be their final downfall.
GWB did not give us Obama, the media did. The laughable "real conservatives" who stayed home -- which all indications point to their doing just that again in this election cycle, are nothing of the sort. A real conservative would eat his own before doing anything that would install a socialist into the office of presidency. A real conservative would move a mountain before allowing Congressional seats to be lost to socialists. A real conservative cares about the party more than their "feelings." A real conservative is a grown-up and understands the entire political landscape. Pretty freakin sad when Hillary Clinton understands that concept (witness her stumping for her political enemy Obama) more than the so-called "real conservatives."
You have no use for GWB? Slap yourself, New Hampshire is starting to seep into your brain. Just say no to that crap Sparky.
Just wanted you to know that I have been reading your posts all throughout this thread, and I have appreciated each and every one of them. :II:
You're right on about the MSM media.
I only wonder how long they will deny the truth about this man that they sold to the Americans that bought him.
I personally think that Obama's win was a combination of the MSM and McCain being too much of a gentleman in his campaign.
There is NO point in trashing either John McCain or George Bush. We need to focus on a new strategy to not allowing Obama to rubber-stamp us into absolute socialism by 2010.
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We are no longer on the defensive....we no longer have to defend President Bush that he didn't "steal" the election.
From that one incident...the man ( and us Republicans) has had to defend himself for 8 YEARS on every decision he has made whether it be what our military is doing, has done, will do.....to foreign policy...to national disasters...to the economy....to whether or not the sun will rise in the east. GW has had to defend himself for eating a pretzel during a football game when he choked on it!!!!
President Bush has not, could not, would not ......do any thing that the Democrats "approved" of ...for 8 YEARS!!!
Anyone who has voted for the man ...who liked him and what he was doing....has had to defend him against others for 8 YEARS!!!
God Bless GW and his family....he has gone through more in 8 years than any other president (with the exception of those during the Civil War, and WW I and II).
I truly believe George W Bush is a fine man. A man who has stood by his beliefs and made decisions that have been horribly hard .....while people have spit in his face....and treated him with the worst disrespect I have ever seen a president treated in my almost 56 years.
He has not deserved this and I hope from the bottom of my heart...that history will be kind to him and he finally will get the respect he has always been entitled to and not received.
That being said......
We Republicans must take this time to renew and find ourselves and someone out there who will represent our values, our wants and desires for our country.
In the meantime....we must stand silent against the Democratic "gloat" which will come at us for the next several months. We must not sink to their level of hate and animosity. We are better than that.
We must quietly prepare...prepare to protect ourselves, our families, our country. We must quietly go on the offensive.
The Democrats are a fickle group.
By June...when Obama has been in for 6 months and there have not been the changes that he has promised....the "masses" that voted for him will start the rumblings of discontent. When the economy is still in the tank....the rumblings will become louder. When we still have military in the mideast....the rumblings will become even louder. When those tax cuts do not appear.....the rumblings will become rage.
WE must be ready.....not with "we told you so's " ...but with a candidate that can pull the country together. To save the country from it's citizens.
WE MUST be ready for the winds of change ...that are not the gentle breeze of flowers, love, peace and happiness...but the tornadic winds of destruction.
WE MUST BE READY......
:bow: H5 Deb!
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Someone upthread mentioned that GWB wasn't leader of the Republican party and I have to agree. While I agree with everything complimentary that's been said about him and his presidency here, I must also agree with those comments that acknowledge our need for a strong party leader. While the presidential candidate isn't the party leader literally, we certainly need a Reagan-eqse figurehead. Conservatism needs to become a movement again. Much like the "movement" the OOooooobama created. (We're going to need Malox for it but I digress)
We need someone who can resonate with the fickle, ADD, ipod worshipping, American Idol masses. Sorry, but that's reality. We need to do a complete postmortem on this election and both campaigns and take away the object lessons staring us in the face.
And while you're pondering that, ask yourself who the head of the RNC is? Anyone know? How many of these guys do you know? How many have Rove/Newt/Palin/Steele/Jindal appeal and recognition?
http://www.gop.com/About/PartyLeadership.htm
Where the hell is my party?!?!?!?!?! :thatsright:
Check out Chairman Duncan's blog:
I spoke on how America has finally realized a vision of a color-blind society that was first inspired the Republican Party into being on the eve of Abraham Lincoln’s 200th birthday. I noted that our vice-presidential nominee – Sarah Palin – received more votes than any woman in American history. In all, with Barack Obama’s promises to cut taxes, merit pay for public school teachers, and renewed offshore drilling, I would say he simply ran the most successful moderate Republican presidential campaign since Dwight Eisenhower.
In reflection, what has changed since 2004 is not the national philosophy, but the national mood. President-elect Obama leads a center-left party, but he must now govern a center-right nation.
WTF is that???
And compare and contrast the DNC site. http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourleaders.html
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You have no use for GWB? Slap yourself, New Hampshire is starting to seep into your brain. Just say no to that crap Sparky.
In so many words, no, I don't. Again, Bush had more than ample opportunities to use the Bully Pulpit and to actually GOVERN as a conservative, but time and again, "reached across the aisle" for stupid ideas such as NCLB, the bailout, etc., to name a few.
NH is NOT "seeping" anywhere, and for someone from Massivetwoshits to lecture ME about conservatism is frankly, quite laughable. I've grown tired of the moderate "mushy middle" RINO's like the GOP leadership in this state. I've publicly called for the ouster of Fergus Cullen and the rest of the state GOP leadership on several occasions on this and other boards.
NH is a microcosm, but shows the same problems the national GOP has--for too long they've sat back and simply assumed the base would be there regardless of who they ran. 2008 is just one more example of it. What we (you in MA, me here, everyone wherever they live) need to do is to start at their local and state levels and DEMAND that we become a conservative party again. I don't know how many times I was in the local office talking to folks WORKING there and visiting to pick up materials who said they were more conservative, less Republican.
We are a party who has lost its way, who in trying to create that "big tent" left the people who made the GOP great out in the cold. The last eight years were in fact "Democrat-lite". If a major political candidate said we needed to cut spending, minimize government, defend our interests with a strong military, etc., without sounding like a complete Ron Paul whackjob, they should get the votes. Period.
I voted for Thompson, even though the guy looked like he never wanted to be there in the first place, and likely never did. I looked at the entire stage of the GOP debates and he was the only one who didn't make my stomach churn for one reason or another, but the idiots up here wanted the "moderate" McCain. Cullen bad-mouthed Thompson when he didn't suck up and declare a couple of days sooner. For that he (Cullen) gets nothing but my scorn and derision. Paul ****ed up the works in the primaries just enough to screw over enough people to get McCain in.
The friction between Bush and McCain was there, and it was palpable. To have that kind of disunity in an election year is unforgiveable. Neither one of them is worth crossing the street to piss on if they were on fire. Neither one of them was ever, will ever be considered, as conservative in my book. Ever. Bush may not have been able to control the economy, but he certainly could have seen what was coming and pressured the Congressional leadership to do more about it, and failing that, sound the alarm. None of this was done. Couple all this with the disloyalty of the McCain staffers, the utter lack of balls on the part of RNC leadership, and the fact that they wouldn't challenge the media, they DESERVED (yes, deserved) to lose.
One bright spot out of all this, is that perhaps by 2010 and 2012, we MIGHT have found our way again. There are several names I can think of who might be good leaders if the RNC will get off their dead asses and covet the CONSERVATIVES in this country.
Again, from the words of Reagan:
Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
Read the entire speech HERE (http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp)
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I'm sorry, you moved to NH from where again? Save the MA bashing mmmkay?
That is all fine and good about lobbying the RNC to be more reflective of the core party values BUT once the nominee is set then guess what -- you freakin vote for him/her, cause that is politics.
Republicans haven't lost their way, they have just been inundated with a bunch of spoiled pathetic whiners. Whining that GWB is the reason we have Obama is what is laughable.
Unless GWB cast a vote over fifty million times for the messiah that is...
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I'm sorry, you moved to NH from where again? Save the MA bashing mmmkay?
That is all fine and good about lobbying the RNC to be more reflective of the core party values BUT once the nominee is set then guess what -- you freakin vote for him/her, cause that is politics.
Republicans haven't lost their way, they have just been inundated with a bunch of spoiled pathetic whiners. Whining that GWB is the reason we have Obama is what is laughable.
Unless GWB cast a vote over fifty million times for the messiah that is...
Orange County. Conservative. Won OC by a larger margin than he won most states. I doubt Mass has as many registered Republicans in the whole state as OC alone has.
BTW--1984. Reagan packs in 65K in Mile Square Park, quite literally a mile down the street from where I used to live. So please, don't whine to me about conservatism.
And yes, I'll bash on the laughability of MA conservatives anytime I ****ing well feel like it, because the number of REAL conservatives in that state government can be counted on one finger. How'd that bill to put the gay marriage bit on the ballot go, anyway? How's the tax deal going? Any chance of standing up to the Beacon Hill idiots?
So please, don't lecture me about conservatism when THOUSANDS of your residents move HERE every year. I voted for McCain. I did my part. But the fact is we failed. WE FAILED to get the conservative candidate in place, and that's why we lost. If the local and state parties did their part, we'd be more than halfway there. As it is, because of the mushy middle, we now have a Dem governor, one of two Senators Dem (and the other one going Dem in 2010), both Congresscritters Dem, and a majority Dem Senate and Legislature. I blame the state GOP organization for not supporting these candidates. I blame Cullen for being a mealy-mouthed little shit. Here's what he had to say Wednesday:
New Hampshire has clearly not become a blue state, but remains a competitive toss-up state where neither party has a built-in advantage.
BULL-****IN-SHIT. In eight years, this went from a Republican state where Bush won to a state that has NO Republicans in the top five elected offices, no majority in the Senate, Legislature, or Executive Council, and is on the verge of sending Gregg packing in two years when Lynch runs for his seat. Ray Buckey has sucked on the Massachusetts 'Rat cock for all he can get, and it's working. MILLIONS is pouring into this state to turn it 'Rat. Guess where most of that money is coming from? Unions and Beacon Hill fatasses.
THIS, dear, is what the "moderate" GOP has done to this state. Were we to stand up and FIGHT for conservative values and principles, we'd not be in such dire straits now. Moderation is what gave us Obama because 1--most of the independents/moderates didn't see a difference between the GOP and Democrats, 2--a lot of the Republicans who DID see the difference stayed home--AGAIN. And it's not just here they did it to.
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I'm not the whiner. Just so we are clear on that. :-*
You stay home, you vote for the socialist. You would think that would have sunk in two years ago, but apparently the whiners (who I can no longer distinguish from the la-la-libertarians these days) will continue their temper tantrum until the United States resembles the EU.
Learning from history - not exactly a new concept.
Oh and for the record, NH residents come down by the thousands to work in MA everyday. The only reason why MA residents purchase homes in NH is because it is affordable. Don't flatter youself otherwise. NH will always be the poor red-headed step child of New England.
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Tell ya what--we'll seal up the border and see who needs who more.
I'll also be tripping the 345KV lines going from Seabrook into Mass.
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Tell ya what--we'll seal up the border and see who needs who more.
I'll also be tripping the 345KV lines going from Seabrook into Mass.
Please please do.
Massachusetts Quick Facts
The Everett liquefied natural gas (LNG) import facility is the only existing LNG terminal serving the Northeast.
Massachusetts is one of the few States that require the statewide use of reformulated motor gasoline blended with ethanol.
Massachusetts is a leading source of electricity generated from landfill gas and municipal solid waste.
Massachusetts is the only New England State that relies significantly on coal-fired power plants, with coal accounting for one-fourth of electricity generation.
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