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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 04, 2008, 09:28:37 PM
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He was weak and worthless bringing nothing to the GOP. He was the token candidate of the RINOs. Those RINOs that told us he was important to reaching across the aisle watched as his campaign languished without direction. It was only after he chose Palin that there was ever a spark of life. Then he sat on Palin and offered her up to hack jouranlists in heavily edited interviews.
When the credit market blew-up he added his thumbs to the list of things he was sitting on.
It was only in the last 3 weeks that he started acting like Palin and gained any traction; but it was too little too late.
Now we have a socialist who cavorts with terrorists and paranoid racists as our CinC. He will appoint judges and take our guns and our money while throwing away 2 wars that have already been won.
**** McCain, he ****ed us. He campaigned like a tired, old man. Throw his ass out and the rest of the worthless RINO POS like him. He never fought like he said he would and even if he had won we would have to have guarded his Gang-of-14 and Shamnesty antics.
**** "bi-partisanship". I don't want to reach across the aisle unless it is to dick-slap Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Moran and the rest of the corrupt shitbags and most importantly **** any so-called republican that dares utter the word "bi-partisan". We need conservatives and nothing but without apology. The MSM will never cut us a break on fair reporting so why bother trying to look nice. A republican could opena shelter to aid adoptions of lost puppies and the MSM would blair: GOP Hates Kittens.
I want 2 solid years of nothing but filibusters and criminal investigations. Any GOP'er who complain the dems might try to do it later can **** himself for being a naive POS because they alreay do it. I want political civil war, I want partisanship. I want politial sniping. I want fresh blood.
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Tell us how you really feel...
But seriously, this is why he wasn't my number 1 one pic, or 2 or 3 or 4...but it's who we got and I put on my big girl panties and voted for him. But he was the wrong pick for the party and we now have to deal with the most radical liberal as our President. Throw all the bums out and start from scratch....
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Tell us how you really feel...
But seriously, this is why he wasn't my number 1 one pic, or 2 or 3 or 4...but it's who we got and I put on my big girl panties and voted for him. But he was the wrong pick for the party and we now have to deal with the most radical liberal as our President. Throw all the bums out and start from scratch....
You known what's amazing?
Frum, Noonan, Parker et al told us we needed McCain...
...then they deserted him in the last weeks of the campaign.
If New Hamster was made to vote on party lines we wouldn't have to be putting up with this dottering old twit right now. Instead the dems had a concentrated effort to pick him (hence Limbaugh's Operation: Chaos response). Then the RINOs looked at this ****-stick and said "It's really for the best, you'll see!"
Thompson was out of the race because he started the car way too late, but Romney would have given this half-white, all-Wright POS a drubbing.
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You known what's amazing?
Frum, Noonan, Parker et al told us we needed McCain...
...then they deserted him in the last weeks of the campaign.
If New Hamster was made to vote on party lines we wouldn't have to be putting up with this dottering old twit right now. Instead the dems had a concentrated effort to pick him (hence Limbaugh's Operation: Chaos response). Then the RINOs looked at this ****-stick and said "It's really for the best, you'll see!"
Thompson was out of the race because he started the car way too late, but Romney would have given this half-white, all-Wright POS a drubbing.
Yes, as I recall, the neo-cons told us "it's the best thing for the party, really, listen to us, we need a moderate" bullshit. Hell, he was wrong when the NY Times backed him for our party. Nice ploy and it worked. I dont' regret my vote as the alternative IS worse. But I am pissed off at the fat republicans who screwed over their core to tow the party line.
BTW...hey McCain...still bragging about your "I pissed off my own party to reach across the aisle" bullshit??? SEE where that got you??
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I want 2 solid years of nothing but filibusters and criminal investigations. Any GOP'er who complain the dems might try to do it later can **** himself for being a naive POS because they alreay do it. I want political civil war, I want partisanship. I want politial sniping. I want fresh blood.
There will be filibusters, but as the dems control the house and senate, don't hold your breath on any criminal investigations.
McCain ran a bad campaign, but there are several factors that sank him like a bad economy and the media blaming it on Republicans and the media totally being in the tank for Obama. The majority of McCain's media coverage was negative, the majority of Obama's was positive. I guess he gave up.
Paladin0
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There will be filibusters, but as the dems control the house and senate, don't hold your breath on any criminal investigations.
McCain ran a bad campaign, but there are several factors that sank him like a bad economy and the media blaming it on Republicans and the media totally being in the tank for Obama. The majority of McCain's media coverage was negative, the majority of Obama's was positive. I guess he gave up.
Paladin0
McCain IS a bad campaign.
How many times did McCain make an effort to affix blame for the market meltdown on the dems, Obama and his ACORN buddies?
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McCain IS a bad campaign.
How many times did McCain make an effort to affix blame for the market meltdown on the dems, Obama and his ACORN buddies?
Zero.......... now we'll be stuck with a Big Zero......... Hail to the Thief.....
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No thanks to this guy, we've all been plunged into the tenth circle of hell.
Thanks for nothing, asswipe.
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I'm ****ing sorry, but if McCain loses it's not his fault. It's the medias.
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I think the real problem was our primary. McCain won out of attrition; he just kept going like the Energizer bunny while everyone else fell out for one reason or another. Romney had the baggage of being Mormon and from the northeast. Huckabee as a Baptist minister alienated a huge chunk of the populace. Fred Thompson took "a day late and a dollar short" to new heights. Rudy Giuliani was too far from 9/11 to draw karma from it. Ron Paul... words fail me.
The sad thing is, each of these individuals represents a facet of conservatism. Romney is an excellent administrator and deal-maker. Huckabee has the moral background and supports the Fair Tax. Thompson is a federalist. Rudy G is strong on foreign policy. Ron Paul is a bit odd, but nobody will say he's not libertarian. Together, they're like the Republican Super Friends. Apart, each had a fatal weakness.
Had we gotten our sh!t together and worked this out, and picked a team that was worth a damn, instead of fighting amongst ourselves like a bunch of Democrats, we would be the ones partying tonight. My dream ticket was Thompson/Romney, with SecState handed out to Huckabee or Giuliani.
McCain did the right thing in the primary: he didn't listen to the pundits, but kept plugging away. In the general election he was all over the place, and couldn't find a message, much less stick to it. (I know of two people who talked about changing their vote to Obama over McCain's stupid "suspend my campaign" stunt.)
The lesson? Pull together and overlook the small differences, and present a united front.
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I'm ******* sorry, but if McCain loses it's not his fault. It's the medias.
I blame the American people for voting for that marxist liar over a former POW. But they wanted this, and they're going to get it, and we'll all be sorry, but what can you do at this point? The country was much further gone than I had thought. I just wanted to tell you all thanks for letting me post in this forum and that I wish you all the best. God Bless.
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I'm with Rebel. The media took 'bias' to new heights.
They are all complaining now that we have elected someone we REALLY DON'T KNOW!
Guess who's job it was to find out who the hell 'O' is?!
Congratulations America, you've just voted in your first Socialist .... whaddya gonna do now? You won't be able to afford to go to Disney.
KC
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Let the political insurgency begin:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/MrSnuggleBunny/NOT-MY.jpg)
I plan to extend to the democrats evert courtesy they extended to Palin, Bush (both) and Reagan.
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Let the political insurgency begin:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/MrSnuggleBunny/NOT-MY.jpg)
I plan to extend to the democrats evert courtesy they extended to Palin, Bush (both) and Reagan.
HELL YEAH!
Stealing that BTW, Snugglebunny.
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I'm ******* sorry, but if McCain loses it's not his fault. It's the medias.
what do you mean "if"?
He has already conceeded has he not?
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HELL YEAH!
Stealing that BTW, Snugglebunny.
That's what it is there for.
I didn't even sign it just in case that held some back.
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Wow. I can't believe some nobody punk kid from Chicago managed to convince enough people to vote for him.
And I agree with Reb. They wanted it, let them have it. I hope they don't sink the ****ing boat and take all of us with them while they're at it.
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I was going to be gracious to the moonbats tomorrow..but you know what **** it! I'll show them the same resentment they showed for Bush these last 8 years...and I'll be just as vicious.
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I was going to be gracious to the moonbats tomorrow..but you know what **** it! I'll show them the same resentment they showed for Bush these last 8 years...and I'll be just as vicious.
That's what I say... expect ours won'tbe outright lies.... it'll be the truth.
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He was weak and worthless bringing nothing to the GOP. He was the token candidate of the RINOs. Those RINOs that told us he was important to reaching across the aisle watched as his campaign languished without direction. It was only after he chose Palin that there was ever a spark of life. Then he sat on Palin and offered her up to hack jouranlists in heavily edited interviews.
When the credit market blew-up he added his thumbs to the list of things he was sitting on.
It was only in the last 3 weeks that he started acting like Palin and gained any traction; but it was too little too late.
Now we have a socialist who cavorts with terrorists and paranoid racists as our CinC. He will appoint judges and take our guns and our money while throwing away 2 wars that have already been won.
**** McCain, he ****ed us. He campaigned like a tired, old man. Throw his ass out and the rest of the worthless RINO POS like him. He never fought like he said he would and even if he had won we would have to have guarded his Gang-of-14 and Shamnesty antics.
**** "bi-partisanship". I don't want to reach across the aisle unless it is to dick-slap Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Moran and the rest of the corrupt shitbags and most importantly **** any so-called republican that dares utter the word "bi-partisan". We need conservatives and nothing but without apology. The MSM will never cut us a break on fair reporting so why bother trying to look nice. A republican could opena shelter to aid adoptions of lost puppies and the MSM would blair: GOP Hates Kittens.
I want 2 solid years of nothing but filibusters and criminal investigations. Any GOP'er who complain the dems might try to do it later can **** himself for being a naive POS because they alreay do it. I want political civil war, I want partisanship. I want politial sniping. I want fresh blood.
You know Mr. Snuggle Bunny, we may completely disagree over ptarmigan/bunnies, but politically we're on the same ground. You nailed it right on!
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I was going to be gracious to the moonbats tomorrow..but you know what **** it! I'll show them the same resentment they showed for Bush these last 8 years...and I'll be just as vicious.
I was planning on hiding out in my apartment tomorrow, but as my vice-chairman (College Republicans) just told me over the phone, the best way to humiliate the fools is to lure them into attempting to try to shut someone like me up (which can't exactly be done. :fuelfire: ).
College Republicans of AASU (or any other college) won't go quietly, I'll guarantee that. If they want to limit our freedom of speech on campus, as the Obamessiah will attempt with the Fairness Doctrine on this nation, they can rest assured that, with my organization, I have the legal resources available to retaliate.
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I was planning on hiding out in my apartment tomorrow, but as my vice-chairman (College Republicans) just told me over the phone, the best way to humiliate the fools is to lure them into attempting to try to shut someone like me up (which can't exactly be done. :fuelfire: ).
College Republicans of AASU (or any other college) won't go quietly, I'll guarantee that. If they want to limit our freedom of speech on campus, as the Obamessiah will attempt with the Fairness Doctrine on this nation, they can rest assured that, with my organization, I have the legal resources available to retaliate.
Screw that. We have become the resistance, and we will NOT just bitch about it behind keyboards. We gotta be tough in these times, ACC.
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Screw that. We have become the resistance, and we will NOT just bitch about it behind keyboards. We gotta be tough in these times, ACC.
That's not what I'm referring to (being keyboard commandos)...
I know what I have to do, given that the Dems (both students and professors) have been constantly on my tail ever since I got elected to the chair position for the CR's, ripping down my flyers for meetings, voter registration drives, etc. I have caught, on more than one occasion, the College Democrats' fat ass of a chairthing (I can't tell if its a man or woman :confused: ) ripping my flyers down, and he/she/it, when confronted, sees nothing wrong with what they do.
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I'm ****ing sorry, but if McCain loses it's not his fault. It's the medias.
BULLSHIT, Kevin........ McCain ran an impotent campaign and you ****ing know it. Instead of launching his campaign like a fighter launching from the catapults off of a carrier, he took off like some lame assed Airline Pilot that has miles of runway. (NO offense to any pilots out there).
That said, the BDS biased media didn't help ONE IOTA. Instead of focusing on Obama's questionable "attributes", they were more concerned with Palin's wardrobe, Troopergate and anything that would divert our attention from the Obamassiah. Ne'er ONCE did they mention the cost of Michelle Obama's designer dresses, the rampant waste of the Obama campaign and the media essentially GAFFED off ACORN, voter fraud, Obama's terrorist ties, and even his questionable citizenship.
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McCain left too many things "off limits" Politics is a bloodsport. He wasn't the right man. Now Giuliani or Romney would have taken the gloves off.
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McCain left too many things "off limits" Politics is a bloodsport. He wasn't the right man. Now Giuliani or Romney would have taken the gloves off.
Should of been Romney or Thompson.
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McCain left too many things "off limits" Politics is a bloodsport. He wasn't the right man. Now Giuliani or Romney would have taken the gloves off.
That's right. McCain was too little too late. He had a good ad yesterday about Biden's words when he said Iran and the like would "test" Obama, but it was too little, too late. Other than that, yeah, McCain had a lukewarm campaign. I wonder what's gonna happen to Joe The Plumber now??
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Screw that. We have become the resistance, and we will NOT just bitch about it behind keyboards. We gotta be tough in these times, ACC.
I am not really that upset about Obama. In a way, this could be the Dems's downfall. He is going disappoint his supporters big time. Mark my words.
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I just can't believe the american people let the media and Obama's friends treat Sarah Palin so horribly. Then the PA citizens who voted a for a man who called them bitter jesus freaks, and a man who called them racist rednecks.
Who are these ****ing people??? What has this country become? Values have declined and today is proof. The american dream, capitalism died today. The majority of americans either don't care, or a ready to take a back row seat. We will not be leaders of the world, we will not set a good example.
This country has changed...for the worst. Handouts, welfare, high taxes, higher inflation, increased unemployment, and we'll be more divided than ever.
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Go ahead and put us into the "dependence" phase of our cycle of civilization. Between AARP, welfare rats, bloated beauracracies, and kids wanting a free college education, the Dems have created a nice cycle of dependence that guarantees them power at the expense of us who actually produce something.
I'm with you on McCain, Bunny. Like Bob Dole, it seemed like it was just "his turn" this election cycle. I didn't really vote FOR McCain as much as I voted AGAINST Osama today. So, who's our next real conservative hope? Jindal?
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Hawkgirl, you need to remember that Philadelphia is comprised of a very dense (in more ways than one) black population. Pittsburgh is pretty close to the same demographic. Just like MN, the metro areas there control the state and the elections. The bitter gun owners clinging to religion are out in the rural areas.
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Only reason I voted for McCain was because Palin is from Alaska and she might make ptarmigans more well known. I will increase my protestation against bunny oppression on ptarmigans more than ever.
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I just can't believe the american people let the media and Obama's friends treat Sarah Palin so horribly. Then the PA citizens who voted a for a man who called them bitter jesus freaks, and a man who called them racist rednecks.
Who are these ****ing people??? What has this country become? Values have declined and today is proof. The american dream, capitalism died today. The majority of americans either don't care, or a ready to take a back row seat. We will not be leaders of the world, we will not set a good example.
This country has changed...for the worst. Handouts, welfare, high taxes, higher inflation, increased unemployment, and we'll be more divided than ever.
Oh, they don't know the MEANING of divided. Let a communist control our agenda? I will die first!
FIGHT -- not like the sissy lefties "fought" but FIGHT. Attack every tax increase. If you employ people, fire every 10th one before you have to keep them as a dependent forever.
We can make this commie a one term commie -- and lets retake congress as a result of the economic turmoil!
The American Public wants to be stupid? Fine -- let them pay the price!
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McCain has given us one good thing. Sarah Palin isn't going anywhere, and the Dems don't have any good answer for her. I see a Trumanesque figure in her. Everything they mock about her is what people like about her. They don't understand.
Does anybody think the Dems are capable of steering clear of a galactic level ****-up? No? Well, neither do I. I know of two people who voted for Obama. I already told them that everytime he raises their taxes or abridges their freedom, I will be standing their to rub their nose in it seeing as I assume they are at least as smart as my dog. When he withdraws from Iraq and causes countless deaths and very likely a Pan-middle east war, I'll be telling that is what they voted for. If, God forbid, another terrorist attack occurs, I will tell them it is the change they were hoping for. In other words, I will never let them forget.
The country-club set had better learn what happened real fast. Why the hell was Martinez even the titular head of anything? He sure as hell didn't garner hispanic votes. Why is it that George Bush never managed to grasp the importance of the bully pulpit, or use it effectively? Why didn't the GOP go ballistic over the vote fraud allegations? Why didn't George Bush use his authority to seize ACORN offices to collect evidence of their voter fraud activities? Why is it that the only person mentioning Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Odinga day after day was Sean Hannity? Why is it that McCain never asked about the gaps in Obama's resume, or called him on his lies?
At least they gave us Sarah Palin.
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McCain has given us one good thing. Sarah Palin isn't going anywhere, and the Dems don't have any good answer for her. I see a Trumanesque figure in her. Everything they mock about her is what people like about her. They don't understand.
Does anybody think the Dems are capable of steering clear of a galactic level ****-up? No? Well, neither do I. I know of two people who voted for Obama. I already told them that everytime he raises their taxes or abridges their freedom, I will be standing their to rub their nose in it seeing as I assume they are at least as smart as my dog. When he withdraws from Iraq and causes countless deaths and very likely a Pan-middle east war, I'll be telling that is what they voted for. If, God forbid, another terrorist attack occurs, I will tell them it is the change they were hoping for. In other words, I will never let them forget.
The country-club set had better learn what happened real fast. Why the hell was Martinez even the titular head of anything? He sure as hell didn't garner hispanic votes. Why is it that George Bush never managed to grasp the importance of the bully pulpit, or use it effectively? Why didn't the GOP go ballistic over the vote fraud allegations? Why didn't George Bush use his authority to seize ACORN offices to collect evidence of their voter fraud activities? Why is it that the only person mentioning Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Odinga day after day was Sean Hannity? Why is it that McCain never asked about the gaps in Obama's resume, or called him on his lies?
At least they gave us Sarah Palin.
Perhaps it is time to clear out some of the old guard and look for new talent to come to the fore. The response Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder shows that there is a constituency out there that favours self reliance and small government. The Republican party needs to connect with it and fire it up for the next set of elections. Otherwise you have the example of Britain to see where you could be headed.
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Posted by: Vagabond
At least they gave us Sarah Palin.
I don't see how she can be kept in the spotlight for the next 3 years or so. Not only that, there have been plenty of political hacks claiming that she was a liability to McCain once the initial bounce wore off. I wish that she were a senator so that she could remain in the public eye.
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Perhaps it is time to clear out some of the old guard and look for new talent to come to the fore. The response Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder shows that there is a constituency out there that favours self reliance and small government. The Republican party needs to connect with it and fire it up for the next set of elections. Otherwise you have the example of Britain to see where you could be headed.
A lot of that happened last night. We need a new crop of good conservative Republicans.
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McCain has given us one good thing. Sarah Palin isn't going anywhere, and the Dems don't have any good answer for her. I see a Trumanesque figure in her. Everything they mock about her is what people like about her. They don't understand.
Does anybody think the Dems are capable of steering clear of a galactic level ****-up? No? Well, neither do I. I know of two people who voted for Obama. I already told them that everytime he raises their taxes or abridges their freedom, I will be standing their to rub their nose in it seeing as I assume they are at least as smart as my dog. When he withdraws from Iraq and causes countless deaths and very likely a Pan-middle east war, I'll be telling that is what they voted for. If, God forbid, another terrorist attack occurs, I will tell them it is the change they were hoping for. In other words, I will never let them forget.
The country-club set had better learn what happened real fast. Why the hell was Martinez even the titular head of anything? He sure as hell didn't garner hispanic votes. Why is it that George Bush never managed to grasp the importance of the bully pulpit, or use it effectively? Why didn't the GOP go ballistic over the vote fraud allegations? Why didn't George Bush use his authority to seize ACORN offices to collect evidence of their voter fraud activities? Why is it that the only person mentioning Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Odinga day after day was Sean Hannity? Why is it that McCain never asked about the gaps in Obama's resume, or called him on his lies?
At least they gave us Sarah Palin.
This is why one suggestion I saw, last week, is one I support. The suggestion is this: Pick Newt Gingrich to chair the RNC. He was the architect of the '94 Revolution, so he knows how to win.
I think that Obama will have a "galactic ****-up" on the economy. Pair that with the white-flag waving at terrorists, and the "green" agenda he wants to push (bankrupting the coal industry, which supplies 50% of the USA's electricity; not drilling for American oil, etc.), and we should start stockpiling guns and food now.
The one thing that I've been saying this morning is this: The pendulum always swings back. A hardcore leftist will be followed by a hardcore rightist. The frontrunner for '12 is Sarah Palin. November 6th, 2012 isn't that far away.
Cheer up, fellow conservatives!
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This is why one suggestion I saw, last week, is one I support. The suggestion is this: Pick Newt Gingrich to chair the RNC. He was the architect of the '94 Revolution, so he knows how to win.
Damn.
I never even thought close to anything like that.
That's a really good idea.
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Damn.
I never even thought close to anything like that.
That's a really good idea.
Coach, I'm just the messenger. But, coming from you, that's a high compliment. I thank you.
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Well, looking at the market futures, Obuyers Remorse has already begun. Hamas took the opportunity to launch rockets at Israel in celebration. As I mentioned in the live results thread, the Dems want it, let them have it. Once the economy is destroyed and people long for the good old days of the Bush years there will be some smartening up. I just pray it doesn't take another 9-11 to act as that wake-up call.
Our remaining folks need to be there to fight everything.
We need to hit the Dems with "I told you so" as every program fails.
We need to remind the world everything that goes wrong from inauguration day forward.
We need to work with the PUMAs to split the Democrats - the one consistent thing I saw in the results was a 20% defection rate (which makes Barry's victory seem real fishy - I expected close margins, but this late night reaming just doesn't add up.)
* I know alot of you are pissed off and angry and depressed. Take time to get it out of your systems so that in January you are ready to aid in the resistance and eventual destruction of the Obamanation.
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A lot of that happened last night. We need a new crop of good conservative Republicans.
I just dont see the country producing any good conservatives, most of the people in this country want the the Government to take care of them not just with welfare. I fear this country is moving to far to the left.
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Well, looking at the market futures, Obuyers Remorse has already begun. Hamas took the opportunity to launch rockets at Israel in celebration. As I mentioned in the live results thread, the Dems want it, let them have it. Once the economy is destroyed and people long for the good old days of the Bush years there will be some smartening up. I just pray it doesn't take another 9-11 to act as that wake-up call.
Our remaining folks need to be there to fight everything.
We need to hit the Dems with "I told you so" as every program fails.
We need to remind the world everything that goes wrong from inauguration day forward.
We need to work with the PUMAs to split the Democrats - the one consistent thing I saw in the results was a 20% defection rate (which makes Barry's victory seem real fishy - I expected close margins, but this late night reaming just doesn't add up.)
* I know alot of you are pissed off and angry and depressed. Take time to get it out of your systems so that in January you are ready to aid in the resistance and eventual destruction of the Obamanation.
I feel so powerless and unable to do anything to stop the incoming madness. BUT I am not going to give up we have to fight.
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I just pray it doesn't take another 9-11 to act as that wake-up call.
I'm far from one of the members of the tinfoil hat brigade.
But we all SERIOUSLY need to look at another 9/11 as more than a possibility.
The Rookie has talked long and loud about the cuts he plans to make to the military.
It took 8 years for President Bush to get us back on our collective feet after what Clinton did to us.
And now this guy is gonna pull the rug out from under us....right at the time we can't afford to have it happen.
I can almost imagine the chatter on the terrorist commo links last night...with the orders going out for what ever plan they've been organizing.
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His cuts to the military scare me almost as much as his civilian defense force.
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I told my husband yesterday after we voted that we're doing what we always do; repeating history. I'm fully prepared to re-live the Carter era right down to the misery index. The next four years are going to be interesting to say that least. I'm also remembering that the Carter years gave us the Reagan years.
I'm pissed off. Mostly at the compliant media and the idiotic public who voted in this Zero. But, I also know that it's time to let him and the other liberal critters make a mess of things so we can come in and clean up. Sadly, this seems to be the only way people get it.
You guys are right. We do need to focus on the mid terms and the next election. I also think its time to find our new Newts, Roves, and Regans. I new generation needs to become prominent because I really believe the youth vote changed this election outcome. It's time to connect with them.
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No Republican would have won the presidency last night, not one. The economy was the #1 issue, and the media portrayed the bad economy as the Republican's fault. The democrats spent the last 8 years tearing this country apart, now they inherit this mess, and they are not equipped to fix it. They own the economy right now, sink it, and it sinks them.
Paladin0
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No Republican would have won the presidency last night, not one. The economy was the #1 issue, and the media portrayed the bad economy as the Republican's fault. The democrats spent the last 8 years tearing this country apart, now they inherit this mess, and they are not equipped to fix it. They own the economy right now, sink it, and it sinks them.
Paladin0
Hi 5. ESPECIALLY not one of the group that ran in the primaries.
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Today's reaction in the market will be Wall Streets reaction to this election. So far, futures are down. :popcorn:
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McCain was always a RINO. It's hard to win when people aren't voting for you but against the other guy. Goldwater Republicans are dead, and after Reagan they shouldn't even have been alive in the first place.
prez-elect Il Duce has the opportunity to tell the kooks in his party to take a hike and focus on the *only* thing that's going to get this economy rolling again, which is free market capitalism. That's going to require him to set his unwarranted ego and Marxist desires aside, but anythings possible. But short of that, it's going to be a rough ride for 2 years for the whole country, and it'll be totally his fault because the tools to turn it around are right in front of him.
He got 62,533,330 votes. Problem is the 55,455,118 who didn't vote for him hold 85%+ of the wealth, and if we don't like what he's doing, just like with Clinton we're not going to participate. 62,533,330 verses 85%+ of the wealth, I'll take bets on money winning that fight all day long.
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McCain's whole idea of campaign propriety made a weak candidate with no natural constituency (except possibly vets) even weaker. The only thing that got him over 20% at all was Sarah Palin.
The one positive is that McCain's defeat was convincing enough that there is no question of laying it at the feet of vote fraud, voter registration fraud, or voter intimidation. He directed the limits of his campaign, and he chose its financing mode (screwing himself on the same stupid 'principles' that he screwed his own party with previously). Therefore he alone bears the responsibility for the failure becasue of these key strategic mistakes.
It is time for him to permanently STFU and forswear any further involvement in GOP Presidential politics.
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McCain's whole idea of campaign propriety made a weak candidate with no natural constituency (except possibly vets) even weaker. The only thing that got him over 20% at all was Sarah Palin.
The one positive is that McCain's defeat was convincing enough that there is no question of laying it at the feet of vote fraud, voter registration fraud, or voter intimidation. He directed the limits of his campaign, and he chose its financing mode (screwing himself on the same stupid 'principles' that he screwed his own party with previously). Therefore he alone bears the responsibility for the failure becasue of these key strategic mistakes.
It is time for him to permanently STFU and forswear any further involvement in GOP Presidential politics.
Hear! Hear!
A good commentary that sums it up:
There is no "McCainism" as there was a "Bushism" or "Reaganism." Those men offered fairly clear visions (well, Reagan particularly so). Not McCain. Everything with him is just his personal gut, principle-free, just an instinct, an impulse, which often takes him in wildly contradictory places (but he's always haughty about the moral superiority of his decisions).
For example, he's pro-drilling... but not in ANWR. Um, why? He's forever undercutting himself with unexplained hedges and caveats.
He's pro-business... Kinda. Except when he's making his distaste for anyone working in the private sector "for profit not patriotism" so glaringly evident.
He wants to lower taxes. Sorta. Sometimes. Maybe. In election years.
We must regard Obama as suspect because of his association with the terrorist Bill Ayers... but it's racist to mention his membership in Jeremiah Wright's Church of Hate.
This leads to a paralysis among his campaign staff. Everyone knew, pretty much, the Idea of Reagan. They could act independently with confidence that they were advancing Reagan's goals.
No one could do that with McCain.
Steve mentioned the german military term schwerpunkt, or "critical point." (PDF link.) Every military mission needed an easily comprehended schwerpunkt; even the most complicated mission must have, at its heart, a simple idea, a non-complex goal. If the goal was to capture the bridge, it must be clear that capturing the bridge was the schwerpunkt. Not only was everyone clear on the general goal, then, but when asked to give orders independent of senior command, lower officers would know the main goal that each of their orders must advance, the schwerpunkt. Without that, lower officers could not possibly issue orders that would serve the mission's goal. How can one advance the mission without knowing precisely what is at its heart?
What was McCain's schwerpunkt? What was his case? Ultimately he sought to run not on a plan or an idea, but upon his character, his personal wisdom and integrity (something I note, not uncoincidentally, could never benefit Republicans generally, as an *idea* could).
He always had a tough battle, but in the end he had no plan for battle, only the unwavering belief that he alone was equipped to lead the war.
There was no idea of McCain beyond McCain himself.
And ultimately, he lost. No man is greater than an idea.
Even the great McCain.
As to your point of voter fruad...
My fear is: with such strong margins the vote fraud and corruption that IS part of Obama's very essence will go uninvestigated, unprosecuted and unpublished because it will be politically unfashionable and he gets to name the federal prosecutors and judges.
That will only encourage the shitbags in 2010 and beyond.
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My fear is: with such strong margins the vote fraud and corruption that IS part of Obama's very essence will go uninvestigated, unprosecuted and unpublished because it will be politically unfashionable and he gets to name the federal prosecutors and judges.
My HOPE is that the Dems will feel their hand is so strong, they will not fear going through the motions of cleaning up their act a little bit and beginning to restore some slight degree of integrity to the process, though I am probably being 'way too optimistic there.
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My HOPE is that the Dems will feel their hand is so strong, they will not fear going through the motions of cleaning up their act a little bit and beginning to restore some slight degree of integrity to the process, though I am probably being 'way too optimistic there.
You're talking about the party of Schumer, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, Biden, Murtha, Jackson, Sharpton, et al
get real dude
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You're talking about the party of Schumer, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, Biden, Murtha, Jackson, Sharpton, et al
get real dude
Yeah. But, I'm not expecting much in that hope, just something they regard as symbolic now, but which we can wield as a sword when the pendulum eventually swings back.
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Yeah. But, I'm not expecting much in that hope, just something they regard as symbolic now, but which we can wield as a sword when the pendulum eventually swings back.
When lying crooks win a landslide they are not humbled they are encouraged.
They will only get worse then use their newfound power to crush any who shine a light at them.
WITNESS: Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber getting dragged through the grist mill.
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You're talking about the party of Schumer, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, Biden, Murtha, Jackson, Sharpton, et al
get real dude
These people are addicted to power, and they'll do anything to keep it. That means even more fraud.
Paladin0
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Steve mentioned the german military term schwerpunkt, or "critical point." (PDF link.) Every military mission needed an easily comprehended schwerpunkt; even the most complicated mission must have, at its heart, a simple idea, a non-complex goal.
The US Army refers to it as "commander's intent", which requires much less translation. I used to have a quote from a captured Russian document that basically said, "The strength of the Americans is not in their doctrine or tactics, but in their willingness to depart from their established doctrine or tactics, which makes them very difficult opponents."
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Yeah. But, I'm not expecting much in that hope, just something they regard as symbolic now, but which we can wield as a sword when the pendulum eventually swings back.
it will all be swept under the rug, as the right tries to work with the dems for the first couple of quarters. the fact they didn't get their 60 seats will help a bit, but I expect the first year to be jammed with every leftist bill they think they can pass...
Anti-gun
Health care
gay 'marry' rights
slash the defense budget
pull out of Iraq
**** up the war in Afghanistan
taxes
taxes
taxes
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You forgot "card check", 2-3 SCOTUS nominations, Fairness Doctrine, trashing trade agreements, energy policies, and legislation which will drive jobs overseas in droves, to name a few.
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And don't forget that the ****in' NeoComs are completely unfamiliar with how to actually CUT a ****in' budget - unless of course it's the military's budget. They can't spell cut, they are physically and mentally un-equipped to do that kind of math. They are going to spend this country into REAL, honest to God BANKRUPTSY.
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The US Army refers to it as "commander's intent", which requires much less translation. I used to have a quote from a captured Russian document that basically said, "The strength of the Americans is not in their doctrine or tactics, but in their willingness to depart from their established doctrine or tactics, which makes them very difficult opponents."
"Commander's Intent" is related but not identical. Schwerpunkt really translates more to "Priority of effort" or "Principal Axis." Postwar US ground combat doctrine up until AirLand Battle drew very heavily from German WW2 origins, especially Auftragstaktik, the idea of tactical flexibility and freedom of action in aid of a unifying objective, using broad and unspecific mission-based orders to subordinate elements rather than rigid movement-based orders.
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"Commander's Intent" is related but not identical. Schwerpunkt really translates more to "Priority of effort" or "Principal Axis." Postwar US ground combat doctrine up until AirLand Battle drew very heavily from German WW2 origins, especially Auftragstaktik, the idea of tactical flexibility and freedom of action in aid of a unifying objective, using broad and unspecific mission-based orders to subordinate elements rather than rigid movement-based orders.
Thanks. That explains it, then; I served in the late 90s, in Force XXI, which I guess was the basis for the new network-centric warfare doctrine...
(Who chooses these names? AirLand is much cooler sounding.)
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(Who chooses these names? AirLand is much cooler sounding.)
Damfino, I suspect there is a marketing department somewhere in the bowels of DCSOPS in the five-sided funhouse.
AirLand didn't depart from the basic mission-order idea so much as to adopt a different operational/theater-strategic approach, i.e. going over from a defensive war of movement to blunt and then destroy Warsaw Pact offensive by trading space for time and inflicting massive damage, to an offensive deep-ranging joint and combined approach.
AirLand wouldn't have been feasible without Reagan's force build-up and the fielding of high-mobility operational forces, the previous retrograde plan was really the best suited approach for the available resources we had under Ford, Carter, and the early Reagan years. Nor was AirLand quite as bold and original as we wanted to think, it owed a lot to and was roughly comparable to a concept the Soviets had in the 80s called the Operational Maneuver Groups (OMG, :-)) which involved something more or less like a German offensive Kampfgruppe of corps-sized armor/mech-heavy forces breaking through and maneuvering independently out of contact with their own main force, deep in our rear. One of the functions of Spetznaz was to aid the OMGs, by grabbing key bridges or terrain ahead of them (like our SOF or German WW2 Brandenburgers).
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Well, my perspective was much smaller - Infantry team/squad leader in a mechanized unit (dismount only!), with occasional attempts to shoehorn me into OCS... My definition of commander's intent was "Here's the ultimate goal, and this is the plan to get there. When (and not if) the plan fails, at least you know what the ultimate goal is, and can attempt to achieve it under your own initiative."
Using a football analogy, it's like the QB recognizes that the receivers are all covered, and sprints across the goal line instead of insisting on a completed pass.
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I was a Soldier, then an NCO in tank battalions in the late 70s, then an 11B NCO in a Reserve unit, then company-grade officer back on active duty through the 80s (yes, kids, promotion was slower back in the day). Soviet and US doctrine, orders of battle, task organization, and equipment identification were our bread and butter. We got a lot of bread and butter.
:cheersmate:
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:cheersmate:
Here's to the uniform, and everything it stands for. Thanks for your service, it was much more extensive than mine.
I think I'll have another... :cheersmate:
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I blame the loss on Huckabee. Romney was the better candidate -- outsider, successful businessman and governor, and excellent debater.
It is what it is.
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:cheersmate:
Here's to the uniform, and everything it stands for. Thanks for your service, it was much more extensive than mine.
I think I'll have another... :cheersmate:
It's all good, Woody. Here's to ya!
:cheersmate:
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I have the feeling that we were had.
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I have the feeling that we were had.
Explain? We sabotaged ourselves?
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Explain? We sabotaged ourselves?
I think the media sabotaged the Republican primary by shoving John McCain down our throats. Just look at how the toed the Obama campaign rhetoric in their attacks/coverage of McCain during the general election.
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I'm ****ing sorry, but if McCain loses it's not his fault. It's the medias.
I agree that the MSM showed their unabashed bias.
They are corrupt.
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Romney is just another f'n RINO, just like McCain......
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He was weak and worthless bringing nothing to the GOP....
Great post mortem from you and just about everyone else in this thread.
The GOP needed to be cleansed and purged. It will be painful, but we will come back bigger and stronger.
To all the people thinking their gas will be paid for and your mortgage as well.... keep on hoping. :-)
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To be filed under: No Shit
Re: McCain & The Base [Ramesh Ponnuru]
Compared to Bush's 2004 performance, as you note, Rich, McCain slipped by roughly the same amounts among self-described conservatives and moderates. But the losses among the moderates hurt more because there are more of them.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mjg4ZTAzOGE0NjZmZDlmNTUzMjY2ODgyMmE2NzBmYWE=
Imagine if he hadn't chosen Palin?
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Romney is just another f'n RINO, just like McCain......
I think you're right...I just learned that he was for the universal health care system implemented in Taxatwoshits now.
Cue the scary music, here. I had no idea.
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To all the people thinking their gas will be paid for and your mortgage as well.... keep on hoping. :-)
:rotf:
That's the first time I have laughed today.
I wonder how many will stop paying their mortgage when he takes office just to see if he will also be the first black Santa.
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:rotf:
That's the first time I have laughed today.
I wonder how many will stop paying their mortgage when he takes office just to see if he will also be the first black Santa.
And you made me laugh as well! :rotf: It's good to see you again, where the heck have you been?
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LOL.... nuance.
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I think you're right...I just learned that he was for the universal health care system implemented in Taxatwoshits now.
Cue the scary music, here. I had no idea.
Indeed- but there are two things to remember
A ) one needs to make concessions to do anything in the commonwealth.
B ) he knows business
at this point there are something like 14 Republicans left within Massachusetts government - a small fraction of the total headcount. Needless to say, nothing gets done here without the libs approval.
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I think you're right...I just learned that he was for the universal health care system implemented in Taxatwoshits now.
Cue the scary music, here. I had no idea.
It isn't universal healthcare. He took the money that was being spent on bailing hospitals out yearly for the freecare they provide (over $1 billion annually, with no cap on that whatsoever) and using it to subsidize private health insurance premiums. Romney also removed costly mandates imposed on health insurance carriers so that they could offer affordable plans to small business owners and individuals.
This eliminated free care (i.e. illegal aliens accessing ERs for medical treatment) and stemmed the out-of-control blank check the commonwealth was writing to hospitals every year.
Of course Deval Patrick got his paws on it, added mandates and expanded coverage subsidies so the costs with the plan went from black to red rather quickly. Regardless, it is tremendously popular and well received by business owners in the state. Original estimates of participants was grossly underestimated. It is actually a good plan.
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Indeed- but there are two things to remember
A ) one needs to make concessions to do anything in the commonwealth.
B ) he knows business
at this point there are something like 14 Republicans left within Massachusetts government - a small fraction of the total headcount. Needless to say, nothing gets done here without the libs approval.
Unless they live here, they don't understand the dynamic of our liberal haven of New England. While Romney did make concessions, his idea for redirecting money -- which was essentially just thrown away every year -- to investing in private premiums so we curtail the spending significantly, is a great idea and very good business sense.