Top US commander in Afghanistan Gen. John Allen under investigation

[Ptarmigan]

This gets messier and messier by the hour. This is not good for the top brass and military under Obama.

[zeitgeist]

That was General Ward...General Ham's predecessor.

And it came out yesterday that General Ward will be reduced to the retired rank of Lt. General.

Pay range for Lieutenant General LTG  O-9   $164,221 - $203,710
(based on experience)


http://www.militarypaychart.us/historical/2012-chart/

I am not going to do the math here but he is still going to get one heck of a retirement check even at just 60% of base pay.

Not bad.  Not bad at all.

[5412]

This is exactly what I was thinking but I don't have any proof.  As soon as I heard about Allen, I began to smell a fish some where.

Hi,

There was also a fleet Admiral that was relieved of command immediately after the Bengazi thing went down.  They talked about the general but there was little mention of the admiral.

regards,
5412

[txradioguy]

This gets messier and messier by the hour. This is not good for the top brass and military under Obama.

They are doing their level best to discredit the one organization the vast majority of Americans still have faith in and believe in.

It's like this Administration is doing it's best to undermine the whole "Support The Troops" thing.

[txradioguy]

Did anyone hear anymore about Gen Hamm at AFRICOM and the one in charge of the ship outside of Libya?  Panetta just demoted a four star Gen who was in charge of AFRICOM prior to Hamm. Said he spent too much money, $98k.  Is that excessive for a four star?

Nothing has been heard about the status of General Ham since this went down.  He was at the Pentagon when the Benghazi thing went down.  He knows that place inside and out (He was the J-3 under General Pace) so being away from Stuttgart wouldn't have been a problem in directing people where to go and what to do under his command.

The longer they go on the silence on his status the more it becomes very plausible that he and the Admiral were relieved for trying to go against what they were told and actually do their duty to rescue the Ambassador and the others.

[zeitgeist]

Nothing has been heard about the status of General Ham since this went down.  He was at the Pentagon when the Benghazi thing went down.  He knows that place inside and out (He was the J-3 under General Pace) so being away from Stuttgart wouldn't have been a problem in directing people where to go and what to do under his command.

The longer they go on the silence on his status the more it becomes very plausible that he and the Admiral were relieved for trying to go against what they were told and actually do their duty to rescue the Ambassador and the others.

And if I might play devil's advocate for just a minute, that is how you manufacture a 'military coup' charge that is believeable to the folk who voted for Obiewun.

Think of it this way, the chief cheese gives the stand down order to a group of renegades who refuse then they go rogue.  Now what do you do?  Either you have top down command or you do not. (They are covered with the faulty intel argument anyway or at least this is how they present it to the public.)  Gee we didn't know but they refused a lawful direct order.  Couple that with the fact that the CIA guys are 'former' military, so they are freelancing their defense anyway.   Now you get we didn't know what was going on with these guys but we cannot allow the command structure to disobey a lawful direct order. (has there been any proof that, while reprehensible as it may be not to assist, an unlawful order was given to not assist based on the 'intel available' at the time)

As a side note to all this I began to wonder if the strategy of the 3D Chess master is to make it 'seem' as though the US intelligence comunity is incompetent to lull the enemy into a false sense of security.  Which is a highly preferable thought to the fact that it is really as incompetent as it is being portrayed.     

This has to have the top folk in full paranoid mode.  Career limiting moves are seldom made on purpose.

[JohnnyReb]

And if I might play devil's advocate for just a minute, that is how you manufacture a 'military coup' charge that is believeable to the folk who voted for Obiewun.

Think of it this way, the chief cheese gives the stand down order to a group of renegades who refuse then they go rogue.  Now what do you do?  Either you have top down command or you do not. (They are covered with the faulty intel argument anyway or at least this is how they present it to the public.)  Gee we didn't know but they refused a lawful direct order.  Couple that with the fact that the CIA guys are 'former' military, so they are freelancing their defense anyway.   Now you get we didn't know what was going on with these guys but we cannot allow the command structure to disobey a lawful direct order. (has there been any proof that, while reprehensible as it may be not to assist, an unlawful order was given to not assist based on the 'intel available' at the time)

As a side note to all this I began to wonder if the strategy of the 3D Chess master is to make it 'seem' as though the US intelligence comunity is incompetent to lull the enemy into a false sense of security.  Which is a highly preferable thought to the fact that it is really as incompetent as it is being portrayed.     

This has to have the top folk in full paranoid mode.  Career limiting moves are seldom made on purpose.

You know, Obama is such a wussy, I bet with a glass of water and a pocket handkerchief you could make him spill the beans on himself and everyone else.

[Dori]

I'm completely paranoid about what is happening to the military.  Sequestration, (gutting the military) cancelling defense programs, gays in the military, changing Generals, Panetta in as Sec. of Defense, bowing to Putin on arms control and what we did with the missile defense in Eastern Europe, shutting down NASA, Obama's remark off mic to the Russian Pres.......it all sounds like some anti-American, anti-war, military complex hater to me.

And now that Kerry is being considered to replace Panetta, it's even worse.

[thundley4]

I'm completely paranoid about what is happening to the military.  Sequestration, (gutting the military) cancelling defense programs, gays in the military, changing Generals, Panetta in as Sec. of Defense, bowing to Putin on arms control and what we did with the missile defense in Eastern Europe, shutting down NASA, Obama's remark off mic to the Russian Pres.......it all sounds like some anti-American, anti-war, military complex hater to me.

And now that Kerry is being considered to replace Panetta, it's even worse.

Putin recently invited Obama to visit him in Russia.  Maybe he wants to see how much more flexibility Obama gained after the election.

[zeitgeist]

You know, Obama is such a wussy, I bet with a glass of water and a pocket handkerchief you could make him spill the beans on himself and everyone else.

   Looks like Rush is on the same track.

[CG6468]

I'm completely paranoid about what is happening to the military.  Sequestration, (gutting the military) cancelling defense programs, gays in the military, changing Generals, Panetta in as Sec. of Defense, bowing to Putin on arms control and what we did with the missile defense in Eastern Europe, shutting down NASA, Obama's remark off mic to the Russian Pres.......it all sounds like some anti-American, anti-war, military complex hater to me.

And now that Kerry is being considered to replace Panetta, it's even worse.

This is merely the beginning of the shit from this asswipe.

[JohnnyReb]

  Looks like Rush is on the same track.

He is ???????

[wasp69]

  Looks like Rush is on the same track.

What's he saying?

[zeitgeist]

What's he saying?

Rush was pretty much saying in the first hour that the CIAsaid it didn't request assistance, that assests were ready to go and that the former SEALS disobeyed an order to stand down.  I just caught bits and pieces as I was in and out of the car running some errands.  Anyone have access to the transcript?  

So this will be one of the first shovel ready jobs of Obie's new administration.  Bury Benghazi is job one.


ETA:
I think this should link to Rush comments:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/15/the_fix_is_in_benghazi_dispute_likely_to_be_resolved_in_the_democrats_favor

[wasp69]

Well, for what it's worth, Petraeus is testifying today.  According to CNN, he wants to clear up "a lot of misrepresentations of what he told Congress initially".  I guess we'll see if he still retains any honor or if he's willing to help obinga finish corrupting every single institution in our government.

I am no longer hopeful that there will be any justice for the outrages committed by the moochtard horde in this country.  I pray to Almighty God that I am wrong...