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BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« on: October 15, 2009, 05:18:09 PM »
BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare

House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) held a hearing this morning to certify that H.R. 3200 -- the main House Obamacare bill which was the subject of all the town hall rage in August -- has met all requirements to pass as a “budget reconciliation” measure.

Under reconciliation, the bill can be passed by a simple majority vote in the Senate -- just 51 votes -- and will be given preferential treatment on the House floor as well. The Dems have apparently invoked the “nuclear option” to shut out Republicans and ensure the bill is passed before the end of the year.

The bill certified for “reconciliation” is the Ways & Means version of H.R. 3200 that was passed out of committee before the August break, and before it was read aloud at town hall meetings across the country and blasted by voters across the country.

It contains all of the horrors previously exposed:  federal funding of abortion, coverage for illegal aliens, comparative effectiveness, healthcare rationing, deep cuts to Medicare.  Everything the American people overwhelmingly reject.
 
No amendments were allowed at the hearing and no debate.  Rangel told Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), the ranking Republican on the committee, that he would not have preferred to do it this way, but leadership -- i.e., Speaker Pelosi -- forced his hand.

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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 05:20:04 PM »
****ing bastards.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »
No ****ing way...is this even legal??
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 05:20:42 PM »
No unanimous consent on the flooring of the bill.

Send each clause for review, striking all that do not meet criteris for reconciliation.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 05:21:40 PM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on October 15, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
No ****ing way...is this even legal??
Reconciliation is "legal" for budget bills.  I have no idea how this even qualifies.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 05:27:31 PM »
I was chatting with a moonbat co-worker last week and asked him to give me his personal approval rating for Obama...He responded with a "well, at least he's not mccain.."  I pushed him to respond to my question and he stated "he needs to push through the healthcare legislation and I'll give him a 100% approval rating"
This is the same dirtbag that poked me whenever we debated during Bush's presidency...a big moonbat who had a "Impeach Bush!" bumper sticker on his beat-up Datsun.

He may have just gotten his wish.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 05:28:01 PM »
Perhaps a bridge too far for any Democrats who are still same enough to realize there is indeed a tomorrow, and what goes around comes around.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2009, 05:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Chris on October 15, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
Reconciliation is "legal" for budget bills.  I have no idea how this even qualifies.

Unfortunately, it qualifies if they say it qualifies.  

But, IIRC, there've been rumblings of a couple of Dem Senators that might be inclined to vote for the bill under normal circumstances, that would not vote for it under "reconciliation."

Also, and this is for lurking DUmb****s, what this does is to remove the 60-vote rule for any budget bills that come up . . . after the Republicans retake control of the Senate.  And it will probably mean the end of the fillibuster, too.  They want to play hardball?  They better be ready for the same tactics to be used against them--but a degree worse.

It will happen--probably in four years.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 05:33:36 PM »
Quote from: Chris on October 15, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
Reconciliation is "legal" for budget bills.  I have no idea how this even qualifies.

Wouldn't this be grounds to have it thrown out at a later date?  Like 2010/2012
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2009, 05:34:34 PM »
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It will happen--probably in four years.

Not if the current batch of nutless wonders remain in charge of the GOP. Even if they have super majorities in both houses, the GOP would still reach across the aisle just to have their hand slapped at every turn.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2009, 05:43:29 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 15, 2009, 05:34:34 PM
Not if the current batch of nutless wonders remain in charge of the GOP. Even if they have super majorities in both houses, the GOP would still reach across the aisle just to have their hand slapped at every turn.

I'm hoping against hope that even some of the RINOs have been enlightened since the last elections.  I know, I know, call me an optimist.

By doing this, the Dems are admitting they're frantic, don't give a shit about bipartisanship (shocking!), and desperately need to do something, anything, as long as it's "progressive."  They're digging their own graves if they follow through on this.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2009, 05:46:04 PM »
Quote from: Chump on October 15, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
I'm hoping against hope that even some of the RINOs have been enlightened since the last elections.  I know, I know, call me an optimist.

By doing this, the Dems are admitting they're frantic, don't give a shit about bipartisanship (shocking!), and desperately need to do something, anything, as long as it's "progressive."  They're digging their own graves if they follow through on this.

What they are admitting is that the majority of the people don't want this crap shoved down our throats, but they are willing to sacrifice some Dem congress critters next year, because they know that once a social program is in , it never goes away.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 05:50:00 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 15, 2009, 05:46:04 PM
What they are admitting is that the majority of the people don't want this crap shoved down our throats, but they are willing to sacrifice some Dem congress critters next year, because they know that once a social program is in , it never goes away.

Yeah, that too.  The bill is so far-reaching there would be little chance of just "canceling" it in 2010.

Not that I have any real affinity for Republicans, but if they don't fight against this tooth and nail I will forever be done with the party.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2009, 05:55:04 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 15, 2009, 05:46:04 PM
What they are admitting is that the majority of the people don't want this crap shoved down our throats, but they are willing to sacrifice some Dem congress critters next year, because they know that once a social program is in , it never goes away.

Hopefully, enough of them will have received the message from their constituents that this shit needs to be starved of funds as long as Obama is president, before conservatives can restore the Republic.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 06:02:45 PM »
Okay, I'm having a little conceptual problem on calling it a budget bill, budget bills are temporary session-to-session bills that do not get codified into permanent law.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2009, 06:03:12 PM »
Forgive me for not being very knowledgeable about process on these things but what are the chances that Senate Republicans can actually filibuster the Senate version or keep it bogged down with procedural votes on amendments?

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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2009, 06:06:54 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 15, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Okay, I'm having a little conceptual problem on calling it a budget bill, budget bills are temporary session-to-session bills that do not get codified into permanent law.

To reasonable people, yes.  Apparently the Senate Democrats have redefined the phrase  ::)
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2009, 06:07:38 PM »
I guess it's time to start trying to figure out the new name for the country.

The Un-united Socialist States of America?
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 06:11:43 PM »
Quote from: Randy on October 15, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
I guess it's time to start trying to figure out the new name for the country.

The Un-united Socialist States of America?
Barackistan
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2009, 06:13:22 PM »
The DUmmies were right all along, maybe.  Amerika. The USSoA
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 06:58:29 PM »
Ther sould be no problem canceling it. It does not take effect until 2013.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2009, 07:54:05 PM »
What scares me is that under "conventional wisdom" the Congress considering a "Public Option" Health Care Bill, or any other "Health Care Bill" that is supported by only 35% of the voters (and in the face of vocal and well funded opposition)is considered to be "Political Suicide"...

But these Democratic Dimwits are more than willing to go "full steam ahead" and F**k the voters and pass this legislation..in effect committing "Political Suicide" .... like they aren't afraid of the November 2010 Elections.

What do the Democrats know that we don't know... perhaps a plan to screw with the 2010 Elections?
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2009, 08:16:17 PM »
We are sooooooooooo screwed.
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2009, 09:06:55 PM »
Let's not throw our hands in the air and admit defeat quite so soon.  The bill has not passed and we don't know for sure that moderate democrats will fall in line.  Politicians want job security, and if voting for this bill will jeapordize it, I seriously can not see them voting for this. 
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Re: BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2009, 10:44:12 PM »
Just when I start to think I'm figuring out our legislative process, something like this comes up. Budget reconciliation? What? How does this remotely qualify? New federal boards and positions are created. A freaking government insurance company is created. The way insurance companies do business is changed pretty significantly. An insurance exchange is created. "We spend money on it" is enough to be a "budget bill" now?

Granted, I never figured out why 60 votes needed for any bill to pass made any sense - a "filibuster" these days doesn't even require you to hold the floor, so no reading of recipes anymore. One side just has to say "We're filibustering," essentially, and nothing can happen without a vote for cloture - 60 votes. I've always considered that to be a pretty ridiculous legislative tactic. Simple majority is supposed to pass in the Senate, right?

We might need to start over with the Legislative Branch...

edit: Hilarious how only Fox News and a couple conservative columns are the only ones carrying this story. Wait, hilarious isn't the word.

Infuriating. That's the one!
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