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US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« on: June 13, 2009, 04:58:41 AM »


Novel, I've got to admit . . .

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US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

By Tom Leonard in Flint, Michigan
Published: 6:30PM BST 12 Jun 2009

The government looking at expanding a pioneering scheme in Flint, one of the poorest US cities, which involves razing entire districts and returning the land to nature.

Local politicians believe the city must contract by as much as 40 per cent, concentrating the dwindling population and local services into a more viable area.

The radical experiment is the brainchild of Dan Kildee, treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint.

Having outlined his strategy to Barack Obama during the election campaign, Mr Kildee has now been approached by the US government and a group of charities who want him to apply what he has learnt to the rest of the country.

Mr Kildee said he will concentrate on 50 cities, identified in a recent study by the Brookings Institution, an influential Washington think-tank, as potentially needing to shrink substantially to cope with their declining fortunes.

The next few paragraphs go on to describe where those cities might be--think "Rust Belt."

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html

How many would volunteer to drive the big Cats, anyway?  :hyper:

'Course, we could . . . nuke the cities from orbit (to follow a theme on CC I've noticed lately) . . .



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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 05:46:07 AM »
It's the only way to be sure...

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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2009, 06:27:14 AM »
If anyone has seen the destruction of a building they know that once you start the rats abandon that building and flee in every direction.  I would much rather have the Flint/Detroit/Chicago rats stay right where they are.
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 08:47:24 AM »
If anyone has seen the destruction of a building they know that once you start the rats abandon that building and flee in every direction.  I would much rather have the Flint/Detroit/Chicago rats stay right where they are.

My thoughts exactly when I read this line....."Local politicians believe the city must contract by as much as 40 per cent, concentrating the dwindling population and local services into a more viable area."

I can just hear Obama now, "While I'm spreading the wealth around, I'm gonna spread the crime, drugs, violence and other shit to."
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2009, 09:13:45 AM »
BTW: I always liked tearing down stuff. I might come outta retirement for this. I'll hire myself a bunch of illegal, spainish speaking, pregnant, black, single moms and corner all the government contracts......now finding supervisors might be a problem.
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2009, 09:44:22 AM »
With our current environmental laws, it's more expensive to tear them down than it was to build them in the first place...and among those laws are the historic preservation ones as well.  This is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as they're thinking, but I suppose it is still a net gain over the years, and if it's going to involve de-annexing land, it makes much more sense to do the tear-down before the land transaction since afterward the city has no more authority to do it.
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US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2009, 09:57:35 AM »


Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

The US government is looking at expanding a pioneering scheme in Flint, one of the poorest US cities, which involves razing entire districts and returning the land to nature

The government looking at expanding a pioneering scheme in Flint, one of the poorest US cities, which involves razing entire districts and returning the land to nature.

Local politicians believe the city must contract by as much as 40 per cent, concentrating the dwindling population and local services into a more viable area.

The radical experiment is the brainchild of Dan Kildee, treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint.
Having outlined his strategy to Barack Obama during the election campaign, Mr Kildee has now been approached by the US government and a group of charities who want him to apply what he has learnt to the rest of the country.

Mr Kildee said he will concentrate on 50 cities, identified in a recent study by the Brookings Institution, an influential Washington think-tank, as potentially needing to shrink substantially to cope with their declining fortunes.

Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East. They include Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Memphis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html
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US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2009, 10:09:55 AM »
 :o

Start with Washington DC.

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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 10:20:48 AM »
With our current environmental laws, it's more expensive to tear them down than it was to build them in the first place...and among those laws are the historic preservation ones as well.  This is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as they're thinking, but I suppose it is still a net gain over the years, and if it's going to involve de-annexing land, it makes much more sense to do the tear-down before the land transaction since afterward the city has no more authority to do it.

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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009, 11:07:05 AM »
Start with oh-bumers home town - Chicago.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2009, 11:51:34 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2009, 04:05:25 PM »
With our current environmental laws, it's more expensive to tear them down than it was to build them in the first place...and among those laws are the historic preservation ones as well.  This is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as they're thinking, but I suppose it is still a net gain over the years, and if it's going to involve de-annexing land, it makes much more sense to do the tear-down before the land transaction since afterward the city has no more authority to do it.

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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 04:22:38 PM »
Flint is the home town of Michael Moore, the king of compulsory shrink to fit.

If I were a homeowner who got a condemnation order to move so they could shrink to fit Flint, I would use the money to move somewhere, anywhere, else.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 05:08:30 PM »
Topics merged. It belongs in breaking news.
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 06:36:29 PM »
Start with oh-bumers home town - Chicago.

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Yeah, I read this far...
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...as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

...and my WTF-o-meter was in the red.

  • 1)   What the hell is THE ØBAMA ADMINISTRATION doing dabbling in the realm of MUNICIPAL planning in the first damned place?!?!   :thatsright: Oh, right; silly me.  It's The ReichsMessiah...
  • 2)   It seems to me that the only way for Lord Ø to get his hooks into these cities is for them to be bankrupting themselves, and for the *******ed Øbama Administration to declare them "too big to fail", and then fill their city treasuries with all kinds of bail-out monies - and the associated strings that come with them.
  • 3)   Apparently I just stepped across into the *******ed Twilight friggin' Zone this morning when I got out of bed, because in the universe I was born and raised in, this little thing called, ohhhhhh PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS stand in the way of Lord Ø pulling something like this off.  Even attempting to use Eminent Domain in this case would be WAAAAAY ****ed up, because the property isn't truely in his jurisdiction.  He'd have to have willing accomplices in each city council to issue the Eminent Domain writs.
I guess this is Lord Ø's (latest) sop to the environmentalist whack-jobs.  ****er.
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 07:06:46 PM »
Does anyone recall that 0Bama talked about ridding the US of urban sprawl as a means of greening up the environment, and lessening pollution, by doing away with the need for cars in cities?  :whatever:

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 07:07:44 PM »
SO, Obama is basically talking about forced gentrification - Which is fine by me, but lots of others look at gentrification as taking a neighborhood away from poor folks by making it too expensive for them to live there.. And the race-baters will also add that gentrification makes the neighborhoods 'too white' as well.

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 07:13:50 PM »
SO, Obama is basically talking about forced gentrification "Project-ification"...

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 07:17:26 PM »
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 10:34:40 PM »


Novel, I've got to admit . . .

The next few paragraphs go on to describe where those cities might be--think "Rust Belt."

Story at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html

How many would volunteer to drive the big Cats, anyway?  :hyper:

'Course, we could . . . nuke the cities from orbit (to follow a theme on CC I've noticed lately) . . .



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This reeks of so much government BS I want to scream.  I grew up in the Chicago area and spent some of my childhood in the inner city.  When I was 5-6 years old (mid 1940's), I liven in a very nice apartment complex called the Marshall Field apartments.  Neighborhood was great etc.  Over the next twenty years the neighborhood and they built Cabrini Green housing two blocks away and it turned into a ghetto big time.  Well a few years ago, the government decided that Cabrini-Green was a failure, they tore it down because they owned it anyway and now the neighborhood is coming back and the real estate and tax base is very expensive.

What is my point?  If the city will just stop screwing around with the economic system called capitalism the system will take care of itself. 

My wife's cousin went into downtown Nashville about 25 years ago because he won a bar in a poker game working in the oil fields out west.  It was a dump, lots of drug deals taking place etc.  He realized he had to clean it up so he quietly paid the police to continue raiding the place until he got the riff-raff out.  He looked up and down the street and realized there was lots of potential and bought up several boarded up buildings and opened about six bars because he felt the area could be a gold mine.  He has since sold most of them off but still owns a few.  For those of you who have never figured it out, the area is knows as "Printer's Alley" in Nashville and is thriving. 

This entire thing is one more way big brother can throw folks out and do their bidding.  If they will give it time things will take care of themselves.

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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2009, 12:46:32 PM »
:o

Start with Washington DC.

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2009, 08:12:48 PM »
This has been tried before. It worked so well for the Communist and the Nazi's. What it didn't work out so well for was the people living there.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2009, 08:25:47 PM »
This has been tried before. It worked so well for the Communist and the Nazi's. What it didn't work out so well for was the people living there.

That's why I see this as a great big "Project-ification" of America from the Øbamessiah.  People massed into ramshackle gummint projects in dirty, crowded cities are easier to control than are suburbanites sprawled across a broader landscape.  Smaller city footprints makes it easier for teh Øbamessiah to confiscate private vehicles and force people to be reliant upon gummint-operated public transportation.

That's what this line in the article:
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Local politicians believe the city must contract by as much as 40 per cent, concentrating the dwindling population and local services into a more viable area.
...was all about.

Of course those who are resistant or less than grateful to their Øbamessiah for the gummint housing he shall provide them, may find themselves on the receiving end of personal, hands-on tutoring from the Øbamessiah's acolytes at specially constructed "revival camps" for the occasion.
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Re: US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2009, 06:07:39 PM »
Stupid solution done by stupid people for stupid opinions (not facts). There are many solutions, and they've picked the worst.