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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: BuzzClik on May 01, 2015, 12:04:25 PM
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Charges to Be Filed Against Police in Freddie Gray Case
Baltimore's state's attorney announced Friday that there was probable cause in the Freddie Case case and that charges will be filed against six police officers in his death.
"I assured his family that no one is above the law and that I would pursue justice on their behalf," Marilyn Mosby said in a press conference on Friday.
The charges against the officers include second-degree murder, manslaughter, assault and misconduct in office, among others.
These are Mosby's first public comments on the case. Her announcement that her office's investigation had determined Gray's death was a homicide was met with cheers from Baltimore residents, who have held protests and riots demanding justice for the 25-year-old.
Gray was arrested April 12 and died a week later from his injuries. His death has prompted calls for police reform nationwide.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/freddie-gray-n351881
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And?
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And?
You see the Bulls game last night? What a blowout.
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You really it would be ruled a homocide, even if justified.
Perhaps you should look on this shout box. These bogus charges were predicted when the joke mayor was standing front of a "No Justice No Peace" sign.
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You see the Bulls game last night? What a blowout.
Missed it. I was unplugged for the evening, reading and enjoying a good cigar.
So, what is your commentary on the story from Baltimore?
Mine is this: I wore the badge. I'm not suprised by the coroner's determination or the charges. When an officer's cuffs are on a suspect, that officer is responsible for the suspect's safety.
What I know is that I don't know the facts, and I avoid assumptions.
Who does know the facts? Not the rioters, nor the mayor, nor Emperor Putmos, nor the chattering media monkeys, nor Skinner's Misbegotten Children, nor the Cavers.
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Missed it. I was unplugged for the evening, reading and enjoying a good cigar.
So, what is your commentary on the story from Baltimore?
Mine is this: I wore the badge. I'm not suprised by the coroner's determination or the charges. When an officer's cuffs are on a suspect, that officer is responsible for the suspect's safety.
What I know is that I don't know the facts, and I avoid assumptions.
Who does know the facts? Not the rioters, nor the mayor, nor Emperor Putmos, nor the chattering media monkeys, nor Skinner's Misbegotten Children, nor the Cavers.
The reason Buzzy is so annoying is that he imagines himself to be on a par with Jon Stewart.
He imagines himself to be a quirky righteous caring truth teller.
What he is though is the cheapest and poorest imitation of Jon Stewart.
And being a lib, buzzy never saw Jon Stewart for what he was:
A snide sarcastic caustic agitator with a decent writing staff.
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And?
If there has ever been a more succinct one word post in the history of The Cave, I'd be hard pressed to find it.
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The reason Buzzy is so annoying is that he imagines himself to be on a par with Jon Stewart.
He imagines himself to be a quirky righteous caring truth teller.
What he is though is the cheapest and poorest imitation of Jon Stewart.
And being a lib, buzzy never saw Jon Stewart for what he was:
A snide sarcastic caustic agitator with a decent writing staff.
Buzz lacks the latter and is weak in the former. One that uses "passive aggression" needs to understand that's what they are doing, and how to do it skillfully.
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If there has ever been a more succinct one word post in the history of The Cave, I'd be hard pressed to find it.
So?
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Buzz is trying to troll us with a news story.
unlike DU liberals, conservatives don't fly into a rage merely upon seeing a story we may not like.
After all, three other trials (in liberal controlled cities) like this went towards the policeman's favor.
You should be the one on pins and needles.
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You see the Bulls game last night? What a blowout.
Any death that is not of natural causes is a homicide. Big difference between hat and murder.
Not that I expect you to know the difference.
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Thought you were done with this place?
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Thought you were done with this place?
He's excited that an Al Sharpton-linked prosecutor indicted these cops.
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He's excited that an Al Sharpton-linked prosecutor indicted these cops.
Wouldn't surprise me to find out she was in direct contact with Valerie Jarrett just like the Mayor has been since this started.
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Wouldn't surprise me to find out she was in direct contact with Valerie Jarrett just like the Mayor has been since this started.
BALT PD sources tell @joelwaldmanFOX ofcs "pissed", say ME switched ruling on Gray's death from accidental to homicide after "meetings"
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BALT PD sources tell @joelwaldmanFOX ofcs "pissed", say ME switched ruling on Gray's death from accidental to homicide after "meetings"
And there you have it. The witch hunt has begun. The Progressives and the race pimps learned form their mistakes in Ferguson...they won't make the same ones again.
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So, what is your commentary on the story from Baltimore?
Mine is this: I wore the badge. I'm not suprised by the coroner's determination or the charges. When an officer's cuffs are on a suspect, that officer is responsible for the suspect's safety.
What I know is that I don't know the facts, and I avoid assumptions.
Who does know the facts? Not the rioters, nor the mayor, nor Emperor Putmos, nor the chattering media monkeys, nor Skinner's Misbegotten Children, nor the Cavers.
Yours is the most rational evaluation I have read or heard anywhere. Nicely stated.
My commentary is pretty simple: Freddy Gray was a guy with a long list of petty charges and some convictions, in and out of jail, mostly for possessing small quantities of drugs. The cops knew him, and he knew them by name. He ran from the cops before any attempt was made to engage, arrest, or even question him. They chased him down, tossed him in a van, and he was dead shortly after. Was this a murder? Probably not. Some sort of wrongful death? Seems likely. Was it racially motivated? I doubt it. But, I have no idea about any of it; just impressions that are probably wrong.
My objection to this and all the stories like it is simple: a routine stop should not end in death. I understand that running, mouthing off, defiance, and resisting arrest get the adrenaline flowing, and that's when bad things happen. However, young girls violating curfew should not end up having their heads pounded into the hood of a cruiser because they smarted off. A woman clearly guilty of public drunkenness should not be given a face plant into a parking lot for being uncooperative. Both of these "victims" were uninjured, so nothing came of it. But why the overwhelming force? (These are just examples of police "escalation"; I know that perps do a lot worse sometimes.)
You wore the badge, so I'm sure you have horror stories. I get that, and I'm not real pumped about the murder charges against the cops. Very soon, however, the police need to retool about escalating little things into great big ones.
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Very soon, however, the police need to retool about escalating little things into great big ones.
Do you have even the faintest clue just how much restraint the cops show in some of these neighborhoods on a daily basis?
BTW...thought you said you were done with this place?
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Do you have even the faintest clue just how much restraint the cops show in some of these neighborhoods on a daily basis?
BTW...thought you said you were done with this place?
He also thinks dealing heroin is a perty offense.
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Mosby and her husband, a city councilman, are black and live just blocks from the poverty-stricken community where riots broke out following Gray's funeral.
Some question her ties to Billy Murphy, the attorney representing Gray's family and a big donor to Mosby's election campaign last year. And even her supporters say Mosby's close ties to the community won't save her from criticism.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/01/baltimore-newly-installed-top-prosecutor-faces-big-test-in-freddie-gray-death/
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Mosby and her husband, a city councilman, are black and live just blocks from the poverty-stricken community where riots broke out following Gray's funeral.
Some question her ties to Billy Murphy, the attorney representing Gray's family and a big donor to Mosby's election campaign last year. And even her supporters say Mosby's close ties to the community won't save her from criticism.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/01/baltimore-newly-installed-top-prosecutor-faces-big-test-in-freddie-gray-death/
On the other thread, I linked her husband condoning the riots.
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If there has ever been a more succinct one word post in the history of The Cave, I'd be hard pressed to find it.
Thank you, sir.
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Yours is the most rational evaluation I have read or heard anywhere. Nicely stated.
My commentary is pretty simple: Freddy Gray was a guy with a long list of petty charges and some convictions, in and out of jail, mostly for possessing small quantities of drugs. The cops knew him, and he knew them by name. He ran from the cops before any attempt was made to engage, arrest, or even question him. They chased him down, tossed him in a van, and he was dead shortly after. Was this a murder? Probably not. Some sort of wrongful death? Seems likely. Was it racially motivated? I doubt it. But, I have no idea about any of it; just impressions that are probably wrong.
My objection to this and all the stories like it is simple: a routine stop should not end in death. I understand that running, mouthing off, defiance, and resisting arrest get the adrenaline flowing, and that's when bad things happen. However, young girls violating curfew should not end up having their heads pounded into the hood of a cruiser because they smarted off. A woman clearly guilty of public drunkenness should not be given a face plant into a parking lot for being uncooperative. Both of these "victims" were uninjured, so nothing came of it. But why the overwhelming force? (These are just examples of police "escalation"; I know that perps do a lot worse sometimes.)
You wore the badge, so I'm sure you have horror stories. I get that, and I'm not real pumped about the murder charges against the cops. Very soon, however, the police need to retool about escalating little things into great big ones.
As has been said many times before, DUmmies just can't pull off sane. You made a exemplary effort here Buzzer but the crazy is leaking out around the edges. You were obviously hoping we would explode into a rage over your news and, fumbled your attempted recovery. C-
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Yours is the most rational evaluation I have read or heard anywhere. Nicely stated.
My commentary is pretty simple: Freddy Gray was a guy with a long list of petty charges and some convictions, in and out of jail, mostly for possessing small quantities of drugs. The cops knew him, and he knew them by name. He ran from the cops before any attempt was made to engage, arrest, or even question him. They chased him down, tossed him in a van, and he was dead shortly after. Was this a murder? Probably not. Some sort of wrongful death? Seems likely. Was it racially motivated? I doubt it. But, I have no idea about any of it; just impressions that are probably wrong.
My objection to this and all the stories like it is simple: a routine stop should not end in death. I understand that running, mouthing off, defiance, and resisting arrest get the adrenaline flowing, and that's when bad things happen. However, young girls violating curfew should not end up having their heads pounded into the hood of a cruiser because they smarted off. A woman clearly guilty of public drunkenness should not be given a face plant into a parking lot for being uncooperative. Both of these "victims" were uninjured, so nothing came of it. But why the overwhelming force? (These are just examples of police "escalation"; I know that perps do a lot worse sometimes.)
You wore the badge, so I'm sure you have horror stories. I get that, and I'm not real pumped about the murder charges against the cops. Very soon, however, the police need to retool about escalating little things into great big ones.
Believe it or not I really don`t take great issue with much of your assessment regarding what is known of the specific event of the thread.
I would caution though about speculation on the rest or arbitrary unknown ones only because each situation is going to be unique and present its own circumstances.
Bear in mind as well that if a person is not apprehended and then proceeds to injure or kill someone then the police will be held accountable as well.
If we were all mind readers it would be a lot easier but not reality.
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I think the entire case has been handled sloppily and it's hard not to view these charges as trying to appease the mob. Who knows what the truth is here, all I know that everybody involved is a Democrat, so police brutality, looting, Third World situations are all consistent with liberals in charge.
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I think the entire case has been handled sloppily and it's hard not to view these charges as trying to appease the mob. Who knows what the truth is here, all I know that everybody involved is a Democrat, so police brutality, looting, Third World situations are all consistent with liberals in charge.
It sounds like a lot of the officer's charges are based around these bogus false imprisonment claims.
In high crime areas, courts have allowed arrests of suspects simply for fleeing officers.
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This. This right here is what liberals will never grasp and understand. To them, there's no waiting for the facts, or witnessing due process. Their attitude in any case like this is to immediately claim "Meh, feels bro" and follow any knee jerk reaction or train of thought that hits them first.
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I don't have a source but I saw somewhere that the Coroner was pressured to change his official determination of cause of death from accidental to homocide.
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Listening to Hannity right now.
A Baltimore cop (disguised) has said that Gray was arrested after he and another suspect were spotted after what looked like drug dealing on a known, drug dealing street corner.
(Gray ran, the other guy didn't.)
Since no drugs were found on Gray, he was arrested for carrying a switchblade knife.
Apparently there is heroin and marijuana in the autopsy tox report.
Also apparently, three of the cops are black, three white.
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I heard, on Mark Levin's show, a clip of the prosecutor reading the charges against two of the officers. It sounded like an impressive laundry list, unless listened to carefully. Basically, she's charging the officers with one act, applying to it every possible legal designation from negligent homicide (killing Gray by being careless) through the most serious grade of 2nd Degree murder.
IOW, she let off a shotgun loaded with 8-shot in the hopes that at least one BB in the pattern hits at least one of them. This, plus her, "We heard you!" shout out to the rioters reveals what's really happening. She's going to try to railroad those officers - if "necessary", facts be damned.
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I am surprised the officers got indicted so quickly. I would expect a thorough investigation. Looks like they did it very quickly.
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I am surprised the officers got indicted so quickly. I would expect a thorough investigation. Looks like they did it very quickly.
No surprise. They need to throw the animals some kind of bone to pacify them before they spread to the white neighborhoods.
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Listening to Hannity right now.
A Baltimore cop (disguised) has said that Gray was arrested after he and another suspect were spotted after what looked like drug dealing on a known, drug dealing street corner.
(Gray ran, the other guy didn't.)
Since no drugs were found on Gray, he was arrested for carrying a switchblade knife.
Apparently there is heroin and marijuana in the autopsy tox report.
Also apparently, three of the cops are black, three white.
Black cops treat Blacks very poorly. Much worse than Whites. Of course no one talks about it.
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I am surprised the officers got indicted so quickly. I would expect a thorough investigation. Looks like they did it very quickly.
I don't believe they were indicted yet. The race-baiter prosecutor only issued probable cause affidavits.
She knows she trumped up charges to appease the black rioters, that's why she demanded no one release any information about the case.
Unfortunately for her, these cops take their brotherhood seriously, so they are giving plenty of anonymous interviews defending their brothers/sister.
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A look at the 6 officers charged in Freddie Gray's death
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/a-look-at-the-6-officers-charged-in-freddie-grays-death/32708128
BALTIMORE —Six officers are charged in Freddie Gray's death from injuries he suffered while in police custody. State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby says the officers repeatedly failed to get Gray medical treatment after his arrest. The police officers' union has said they are not responsible for Gray's death.
Here is a look at each of the six officers.
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OFFICER CAESAR R. GOODSON Jr.
Goodson was the driver of the van that transported Freddie Gray, and he faces the most serious charges. Mosby said Friday that Goodson repeatedly failed - at least five times - to seatbelt Gray in the transport vehicle. Overall, Goodson faces six charges, including "second-degree depraved heart murder," which carries a potential 30-year sentence.
Goodson, 45, has been on the force since 1999, and like two others charged in Gray's death is black. Online court records list the three other officers' race in a category that includes Caucasians and people of Arab descent.
Officer Caesar Goodson is the one facing the most severe charges and he is Black.
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According to the officer on Hannity, heroin and weed was found in Freddy's system.
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So?
:lmao:
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Wouldn't surprise me to find out she was in direct contact with Valerie Jarrett just like the Mayor has been since this started.
She had to get her orders from someplace. Getting them from Jarrett is just as good as getting them from Barry.
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She had to get her orders from someplace. Getting them from Jarrett is just as good as getting them from Barry.
Not surprising, since O'bozo gets his orders from Jarrett.
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Isn't there talk now that the entire case if falling apart because she overcharged them with crimes?
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Isn't there talk now that the entire case if falling apart because she overcharged them with crimes?
From what I heard, she may have done that to get one of them to talk and turn State's Evidence against the others. However, they filed a motion to be able to examine the knife Gray was carrying, and AFAIK, she has not complied.
I wonder why . . . :whistling:
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From what I heard, she may have done that to get one of them to talk and turn State's Evidence against the others. However, they filed a motion to be able to examine the knife Gray was carrying, and AFAIK, she has not complied.
I wonder why . . . :whistling:
Also there has been a motion to discover if the Coroner was pressured into changing his cause of death to homicide.
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All in all, she over-played what looks like a really weak hand. She put the police officers in a place where they had nothing to lose by fighting back, and they are.
She came into office by campaigning against BPD. If there're things that need to be rectified, well and good. But this looks to be an abuse of power that will poison the prosecutor's office working relationship with BPD. That might serve the interests of the race-baiters and community-agitators, but ordinary citizens of all colors look likely to be hurt by this stunt.
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Isn't there talk now that the entire case if falling apart because she overcharged them with crimes?
She over charged in hopes that they'd be found guilty of something. Like I said in another thread...Libs learned their lesson from Ferguson and they aren't going to make the same mistake twice with the charges.
She also gave the defense a slam dunk appeal if these officers are convicted with her very infmallatory and inappropriate words at her presss conference announcing the charges. She just tainted the entire jury pool for about 5 different states if they needed a new venue for the trial.