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Title: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 18, 2013, 03:45:20 PM
'K' has been retired 3 years, she has a masters degree, taught English (I guess)

K, what do you think about 'CSCOPE' which is teaching our kids to love communism and socialism and hate captialism?  I saw one of the lesson plans the other day and it tells kids they are in a New country (America) and it needs a new flag and for them to design it (examples given are the Russian, Chinese and Muslim symbol with moon and stars)  The word capitalism was printed with a line drawn thru it.

K:  I think that is GREAT, they need to learn about this!

WHAT, you agree that communism and socialism should be taught and capitalism taught as bad?  You know CSPOPE is based upon the Obama Common goals thinking?

YES!  I think its good!

Well then what do you think about Obama's "Hitler Youth Movement' effort of starting kids in school as young as age 3, in a mandatory federal run program.

That is very good, kids need to start school earlier!

Not sure I want the feds mandating what is taught, do you think the feds can raise kids better than you?

Sure they can everyone will get the same education won't they!

Well yes but teaching the communism and socialism at age 3 is not what we do in America!

Obama has the right idea, I like his views on education and support them 100% you should too.

Sorry K, I am an American!!!!!!!!

Could not believe my ears...
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: liberty on February 18, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Wow...I am so glad that she is retired!
 
 It's to bad that there are more like her, though.
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: rich_t on February 18, 2013, 04:28:44 PM
Sounds like a made up story to me.

Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: liberty on February 18, 2013, 04:40:16 PM
Sounds like a made up story to me.



Don't be so sure... I'm attending night classes a community college right now, and quite a few of my teachers would say the same thing.
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 18, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
Sounds like a made up story to me.


NO!!!!!  I also resent that, if it was made up I would say so or write it in a satirical manner...

She is a nut job I ought to know I am trying to buy her place and have been for over a year.  At first I made here an offer on her land and she said no, it was land and house or no go.  Then she said What I really want is to live here the rest of my life, but I want the money from the property.  I told her I would see what I could do.  I got with some folks who are friends and we came up with a good plan, but they advised against it because it was not that good of a deal for me:  I offered her 20% down, payout in 10 years and she could live there the rest of her life paying only for utilities...This was a sweet deal for her and I saw it as not wanting the house to begin with no big deal if I did not generate an income from rental.  Well looking back on I was lucky, she turned me down...showing how stupid she really is...the reason why was she found out here property was considered 'commercial property due to a small slice of frontage on the I 10 frontage road.  While I agreed with her I said neither she nor I or our kids and at best maybe grandkids will see the city out this far.  At this time it has zero commercial value.  To make it worse the piece of property sets in a wet weather creek near the base of a large hill.  I ponited out the changes of building there are slim and none, expecially due to the massive concrete drainage that goes along side the small piece of property...you would have to build a bridge over it and I suspect get the structure at least 6 feet above the ground level.

She voted for Obama TWICE!!!!!!
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: rich_t on February 18, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
NO!!!!!  I also resent that, if it was made up I would say so or write it in a satirical manner...

She is a nut job I ought to know I am trying to buy her place and have been for over a year.  At first I made here an offer on her land and she said no, it was land and house or no go.  Then she said What I really want is to live here the rest of my life, but I want the money from the property.  I told her I would see what I could do.  I got with some folks who are friends and we came up with a good plan, but they advised against it because it was not that good of a deal for me:  I offered her 20% down, payout in 10 years and she could live there the rest of her life paying only for utilities...This was a sweet deal for her and I saw it as not wanting the house to begin with no big deal if I did not generate an income from rental.  Well looking back on I was lucky, she turned me down...showing how stupid she really is...the reason why was she found out here property was considered 'commercial property due to a small slice of frontage on the I 10 frontage road.  While I agreed with her I said neither she nor I or our kids and at best maybe grandkids will see the city out this far.  At this time it has zero commercial value.  To make it worse the piece of property sets in a wet weather creek near the base of a large hill.  I ponited out the changes of building there are slim and none, expecially due to the massive concrete drainage that goes along side the small piece of property...you would have to build a bridge over it and I suspect get the structure at least 6 feet above the ground level.

She voted for Obama TWICE!!!!!!

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 18, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
I stand corrected.
Thank you, I may joke and write satire, but I assure that you will know when I am just kidding on something usually satire.

High 5 for you!
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: formerlurker on February 18, 2013, 05:49:23 PM
I have never heard of CSCOPE.  Is this a local thing?



Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Freeper on February 18, 2013, 05:56:34 PM
I have never heard of CSCOPE.  Is this a local thing?





I've heard Beck mention it, not sure of the details but he says they are attempting to make it nationwide.

Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 18, 2013, 06:30:46 PM
I have never heard of CSCOPE.  Is this a local thing?




Its on its way to be nation wide if not already...  http://www.cscope.us
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 18, 2013, 09:06:43 PM
I stand corrected.

Mrs E is a current schoolteacher.

Trust me, 99% of her compadres are full-blown moonbats that happen to have jobs. They are unionistas and think the government is the answer to all our problems.  :whatever:
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Dori on February 18, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
Its on its way to be nation wide if not already...  http://www.cscope.us

Hmmmm...any info whether Perry was on board with this?  There is another program called "Common Core"  that was implemented last year in half the states.  Perry didn't like CC.  It was a brain child of liberal think tanks origininating in CA and Chicago and being done through Washington DC.

I really wished people with kids would opt out of the Public system.  The brainwashing is starting earlier and it's under the radar, subtle and progressive.  Keep in mind too, that the people who are teaching our kids today were taught with similar tactics. This started back in the 60's.


Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 19, 2013, 08:40:24 AM
Hmmmm...any info whether Perry was on board with this?  There is another program called "Common Core"  that was implemented last year in half the states.  Perry didn't like CC.  It was a brain child of liberal think tanks origininating in CA and Chicago and being done through Washington DC.

I really wished people with kids would opt out of the Public system.  The brainwashing is starting earlier and it's under the radar, subtle and progressive.  Keep in mind too, that the people who are teaching our kids today were taught with similar tactics. This started back in the 60's.



CSCOPE is common core and its sweeping the nation, is in 70% of Texas schools now.


CSCOPE’s Communist Indoctrination

In Texas CSCOPE High Schools Students study about communism and socialism and then create a new flag for a new socialist Nation–
Is  the US to be the new socialist nation? Via Common Core Standards, Obama is teaching our children how wonderful socialism is and that communism is even better.
CSCOPE is the prelude to having the Obama Common Core Standards in our schools. Via our Texas School Superintendents, who are studying how to implement Common Core, our state Education services centers are setting in place the perfect technology framework called CSCOPE.
Following are the instruction from the CSCOPE activity directing students to design a socialist/communist flag...

http://www.txcscopereview.com/2013/cscope-communist-indoctrinate/
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: vesta111 on February 19, 2013, 11:39:58 AM
NO!!!!!  I also resent that, if it was made up I would say so or write it in a satirical manner...

She is a nut job I ought to know I am trying to buy her place and have been for over a year.  At first I made here an offer on her land and she said no, it was land and house or no go.  Then she said What I really want is to live here the rest of my life, but I want the money from the property.  I told her I would see what I could do.  I got with some folks who are friends and we came up with a good plan, but they advised against it because it was not that good of a deal for me:  I offered her 20% down, payout in 10 years and she could live there the rest of her life paying only for utilities...This was a sweet deal for her and I saw it as not wanting the house to begin with no big deal if I did not generate an income from rental.  Well looking back on I was lucky, she turned me down...showing how stupid she really is...the reason why was she found out here property was considered 'commercial property due to a small slice of frontage on the I 10 frontage road.  While I agreed with her I said neither she nor I or our kids and at best maybe grandkids will see the city out this far.  At this time it has zero commercial value.  To make it worse the piece of property sets in a wet weather creek near the base of a large hill.  I ponited out the changes of building there are slim and none, expecially due to the massive concrete drainage that goes along side the small piece of property...you would have to build a bridge over it and I suspect get the structure at least 6 feet above the ground level.

She voted for Obama TWICE!!!!!!

Seems to me your problem with the teacher is her refusal to sell to you her home and land.  Commercial property in the future --priceless.

I believe you are just pissed at the landowner for not excepting your offer.    She sounds smart and savvy to those that make offers on her land, is not someone to be taken easily.

No reason to defame anyone that refuses to sell their land or home to them, darn you make realistate agents look like crooks.

Why would you and others have spent a year trying to get your hands on this property, has as you say no commercial value or rental property, why the push to get your hands on it ?

Why is she a Nut case for weighing all offers and being cautious and suspicious of all ??

HMMMMMMM suspicious Yankee wants to know, seen this before and will see again.

Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Dori on February 19, 2013, 12:04:43 PM
uh oh   :popcorn:
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 19, 2013, 12:41:28 PM
Seems to me your problem with the teacher is her refusal to sell to you her home and land.  Commercial property in the future --priceless.

I believe you are just pissed at the landowner for not excepting your offer.    She sounds smart and savvy to those that make offers on her land, is not someone to be taken easily.

No reason to defame anyone that refuses to sell their land or home to them, darn you make realistate agents look like crooks.

Why would you and others have spent a year trying to get your hands on this property, has as you say no commercial value or rental property, why the push to get your hands on it ?

Why is she a Nut case for weighing all offers and being cautious and suspicious of all ??

HMMMMMMM suspicious Yankee wants to know, seen this before and will see again.


vesta strikes again.  :whatever:

Okay, Crazy Lady, is it even remotely possible that the woman in 17 Oaks' story is a Nutcase because
SHE VOTED FOR OBAMA TWICE?
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Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 19, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
vesta strikes again.  :whatever:

Okay, Crazy Lady, is it even remotely possible that the woman in 17 Oaks' story is a Nutcase because
SHE VOTED FOR OBAMA TWICE?
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Well sounds like you are shooting blanks...again.  Fact is I offered her MORE than it was worth, but its clear real estate is not your strong suit...LIFETIME right of tenancy, paying nothing but utilities, give me a break, you got no idea what you are talking about.  Commercial land, yea, takes more than being on the side of the road, its swamp, base of the hill and fills with water.  My land offer was nearly double the value of the land itself.  I offered top dollar, her deed does not even show a home on the land, just listed as land and structures.  She tried to convince me here house was over 3000 sq ft because that was what was on the tax rolls...but I measured it at 1610, then she had it measured and its 1556 sq feet.  The house does not even have a water well and when sold the new owner will need to put in a well at a cost of $23,000 based upon the estimate she got.

Finally it was a part of this ranch to begin with and she wants to move, she has the house on the market and its been on the market 3 times, going on 2 years this time and has never sold...WONDER WHY...commercial value that does not exist (8 miles outside the nearest town of 10,000, there is no view, the house sits in a hole and this is Texas Hill Country, houses at the base of hills are a hard sell here, no view, no water well, no AC or heat, house is 2 WWII barracks that were brought up here and joined together.

I am trying to restore the ranch and get some of the property that was sold off years ago.

Now what ZACTLY was your point?
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 19, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Well sounds like you are shooting blanks...again.  Fact is I offered her MORE than it was worth, but its clear real estate is not your strong suit...LIFETIME right of tenancy, paying nothing but utilities, give me a break, you got no idea what you are talking about.  Commercial land, yea, takes more than being on the side of the road, its swamp, base of the hill and fills with water.  My land offer was nearly double the value of the land itself.  I offered top dollar, her deed does not even show a home on the land, just listed as land and structures.  She tried to convince me here house was over 3000 sq ft because that was what was on the tax rolls...but I measured it at 1610, then she had it measured and its 1556 sq feet.  The house does not even have a water well and when sold the new owner will need to put in a well at a cost of $23,000 based upon the estimate she got.

Finally it was a part of this ranch to begin with and she wants to move, she has the house on the market and its been on the market 3 times, going on 2 years this time and has never sold...WONDER WHY...commercial value that does not exist (8 miles outside the nearest town of 10,000, there is no view, the house sits in a hole and this is Texas Hill Country, houses at the base of hills are a hard sell here, no view, no water well, no AC or heat, house is 2 WWII barracks that were brought up here and joined together.

I am trying to restore the ranch and get some of the property that was sold off years ago.

Now what ZACTLY was your point?

You do realize, don't you, that my post was directed at vesta and not at you?

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about your real estate concerns with the woman in question - my post alluded to the PROBABLE determination of the woman as being a nutcase because she voted for Obama.  Not just once, which would've been bad enough, but TWICE.

That's qualification enough for nutdom.
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Dori on February 19, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
You do realize, don't you, that my post was directed at vesta and not at you?

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about your real estate concerns with the woman in question - my post alluded to the PROBABLE determination of the woman as being a nutcase because she voted for Obama.  Not just once, which would've been bad enough, but TWICE.

That's qualification enough for nutdom.

I think he was addressing Vesta's post.  But your right about the nutdom.  What's really scary is how many kids has she infected during her career?
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 19, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I think he was addressing Vesta's post.  But your right about the nutdom.  What's really scary is how many kids has she infected during her career?

If that's the case, 17 Oaks needs to quote the post he's directing his comment toward, not somebody's else's.  :whatever:
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 19, 2013, 04:59:48 PM
If that's the case, 17 Oaks needs to quote the post he's directing his comment toward, not somebody's else's.  :whatever:
Quoted you on purpose, got a kick out of what you said:

"Vesta strikes again", that said it ALL...I was agreeing with you..
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 19, 2013, 05:01:24 PM
Quoted you on purpose, got a kick out of what you said:

"Vesta strikes again", that said it ALL...I was agreeing with you..

vesta is a legend -- in her own mind. (What's left of it.)
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 19, 2013, 05:03:41 PM
vesta is a legend -- in her own mind. (What's left of it.)
Seems that way, I have been around that long to know, but following your lead on it for sure...
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: vesta111 on February 20, 2013, 07:14:59 AM
Seems that way, I have been around that long to know, but following your lead on it for sure...

 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Just wondering why anyone would get so steamed up about buying a worthless piece of property.

These plans of home inhibition for life can be gotten around.   Seen this done in some of our "Better" family's up here.  Kids get together and buy out a elderly relatives home and land.   The relative just pays utilities but has the money in the bank from the sale.   After 12-18 months the family gets together to get a judge to declare the family member incompetent, a bit of a bribe works here, and member is removed from the home and placed into a nursing home of some kind.  Family gets court orders to also control there finances.     

Now family gets the home and land and the money they paid for it back from members bank account.  Result is the relative is now pennyless, angry as a hornet and they have lost all controll of their lives.

One thing about a nursing home is the family not you has the right to give orders on your care.  I saw this when a woman from a VERY wealthy family had her declared incompetent and ordered their relative to stay in her private room 24/7 with no guests.   No way she could fight back, no phone or money to hire a Lawyer, no way to convince visitors that they had been scammed by loved ones they trusted.  Heart breaking.

Have to be carefull if one has only distant relatives or even  sons and daughters and grandchildren.   If one can stomach  the education on humane nature get a job in a nursing home or volunteer at one and watch how the family's interact with their family, if they even care to visit once every 3 years.   

It's all about the MONEY, and if no family there is allways someone willing to pull the gold out of a elderly persons teeth.

Much money for worthless land is a big flag to me, so many scams by lawyers and doctors to get their hands on a mention in a will.   Realestate Agents with a heads up of some project coming in 5 years or so to buy our home owners for cheap that stand in the way of a project in the future.   

New London Conn. where the town and State forced 300 people to give up their homes by public domain in order to build a hotel.   People were dragged out of their homes at gun point when they refused the offer of a sale price of half the value of their homes.  I will not forget that one.  I had friends that got caught up in what they called a Police State.    A Private business came in and somehow forced these people off their land using town and state police.    This action was not for public improvement but for some company to benefit it.

Google it, a horror story that can happen anywhere.

Suspicious Yes, when it comes to land and money you bet I am,  So what benefit to you and your friends would this worthless piece pf property be to you if you have to pay taxes on it for 20 years ??????
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 20, 2013, 07:39:03 AM
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Just wondering why anyone would get so steamed up about buying a worthless piece of property.

These plans of home inhibition for life can be gotten around.   Seen this done in some of our "Better" family's up here.  Kids get together and buy out a elderly relatives home and land.   The relative just pays utilities but has the money in the bank from the sale.   After 12-18 months the family gets together to get a judge to declare the family member incompetent, a bit of a bribe works here, and member is removed from the home and placed into a nursing home of some kind.  Family gets court orders to also control there finances.     

Now family gets the home and land and the money they paid for it back from members bank account.  Result is the relative is now pennyless, angry as a hornet and they have lost all controll of their lives.

One thing about a nursing home is the family not you has the right to give orders on your care.  I saw this when a woman from a VERY wealthy family had her declared incompetent and ordered their relative to stay in her private room 24/7 with no guests.   No way she could fight back, no phone or money to hire a Lawyer, no way to convince visitors that they had been scammed by loved ones they trusted.  Heart breaking.

Have to be carefull if one has only distant relatives or even  sons and daughters and grandchildren.   If one can stomach  the education on humane nature get a job in a nursing home or volunteer at one and watch how the family's interact with their family, if they even care to visit once every 3 years.   

It's all about the MONEY, and if no family there is allways someone willing to pull the gold out of a elderly persons teeth.

Much money for worthless land is a big flag to me, so many scams by lawyers and doctors to get their hands on a mention in a will.   Realestate Agents with a heads up of some project coming in 5 years or so to buy our home owners for cheap that stand in the way of a project in the future.   

New London Conn. where the town and State forced 300 people to give up their homes by public domain in order to build a hotel.   People were dragged out of their homes at gun point when they refused the offer of a sale price of half the value of their homes.  I will not forget that one.  I had friends that got caught up in what they called a Police State.    A Private business came in and somehow forced these people off their land using town and state police.    This action was not for public improvement but for some company to benefit it.

Google it, a horror story that can happen anywhere.

Suspicious Yes, when it comes to land and money you bet I am,  So what benefit to you and your friends would this worthless piece pf property be to you if you have to pay taxes on it for 20 years ??????
1) Now I am beginning to understand what Eupher meant

2)  I tried to read thru your convoluted story twice, not really sure where that rambling diatribe was headed but I didn't board the train

3)  Open windows to allow fresh air to circulate, do not inhale as deeply

4)  My friends are not buying this piece of property, I am, they have nothing to do with it and are not especially supportive, thinking I have offered too much.  I have been dealing with her AND her family, in fact I insisted they be present and review all documents pertaining to the offer.  Her land borders my land on 3 different fence lines, it was originally part of my property.  As for taxes, my tax is quite low as I have an Ag exemption on my property and adding that back into will also capture that exemption.  Taxes are not an issue...
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Karin on February 20, 2013, 08:31:30 AM
Oh for God's sake, people!  Never mind Vesta and never mind the real estate deal.  What's important here is CSCOPE, communist indoctrination, and the public education system.  This is scary shit, and I am terrified. 

We need to start attending the school board meetings and push the hell back on this.  Whether or not we have kids.  I pay hefty school taxes, and I'll be damned if my hard-earned money is going to go for ****ing communism. 
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: 17 Oaks on February 20, 2013, 08:48:29 AM
You are 100% correct, in the county I live in CSCOPE is not in the schools at all.  But I have myself contacted my state Congress folks, both of whom I know personally and I have contacted the state state education board.

That said this brings up an interesting point.  In Texas the local school system led by the Superintendent makes the local choices.  The state only recommends.  Now we get into the debate of 'state' governmental control vs local.  Clearly local is not working as 70% of the schools in Texas are using it, then should the 'state' (as in states or Federal) be the controller???  I cannot buy that, study the Hitler Youth Movement and you will understand just what the Feds can do.  And we are seeing this in the US with CSCOPE based upon Obama's common core values the results are communism/socialism good, capitalism bad and having kids draw a flag for a new America based upon that...Why is the lesson plans and program of instruction of CSCOPE is to be kept hidden from parents and outsiders?
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: vesta111 on February 20, 2013, 09:33:40 AM
1) Now I am beginning to understand what Eupher meant

2)  I tried to read thru your convoluted story twice, not really sure where that rambling diatribe was headed but I didn't board the train

3)  Open windows to allow fresh air to circulate, do not inhale as deeply

4)  My friends are not buying this piece of property, I am, they have nothing to do with it and are not especially supportive, thinking I have offered too much.  I have been dealing with her AND her family, in fact I insisted they be present and review all documents pertaining to the offer.  Her land borders my land on 3 different fence lines, it was originally part of my property.  As for taxes, my tax is quite low as I have an Ag exemption on my property and adding that back into will also capture that exemption.  Taxes are not an issue...

OK explination excepted, you wish to expand your property, but for what purpose ???  Do you wish to raise cattle on her land or sheep ?  Are you looking to the future when the towns people will drive 8 miles out of town to go to a Wallmart that is being looked as a possible site ???

Warning people get their butts in a sling at times.

Maine-----A friend of mine on the town council had a father that owned 160 acres of land that could not be sold.   The Indians came in saw the land as it was near the interstate decided this would be a good place to build a casino.    What a ruckes this caused.

The family owning the land had visions or selling off 160 acres of land for $2million to the Indians where they could not get but $1,000 an acre before and had no takers at that price.

My friend the son of the seller made a very bad move, he could have kept his seat on the council and just excused himself due to conflice of interest to any hearings on this subject.   Instead he resigned his seat to lobby for the Casino.  Town and state got involved and the Indians did not get the land, my friend now had no say in town politics and the land has still not been sold as some wetlands have been found in it.  Still the family is land poor paying taxes on all that land that no one wants or can use.

Walk carefully when wanting to buy land to expand your own land.   You never know when some new critter is found that makes it impossible for you to do anything but pay taxes on land you cannot improve. you cannot sell it, you cannot build on it but who will buy the land if you wish to sell.

One last crazy thought, if you buy do you get the mineral rights to this land or do they stay with the seller ???   

Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Eupher on February 20, 2013, 10:35:53 AM
vesta:

 :urmeds:

Karin is right, of course. I'll do my part in getting the vesta train completely junked out after she derailed the thread.  :-)
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Dori on February 20, 2013, 10:53:58 AM
.Why is the lesson plans and program of instruction of CSCOPE is to be kept hidden from parents and outsiders?

Good question. I would think teachers using CSCOPE have the lesson plans/instructions.  I sure would like to read those. 
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Karin on February 20, 2013, 10:59:31 AM
Yeah, and it pisses me off that she derailed the thread, ignoring what was VERY important.  We have enough problems without losing focus.   :mad:

Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: vesta111 on February 21, 2013, 08:38:44 AM
Yeah, and it pisses me off that she derailed the thread, ignoring what was VERY important.  We have enough problems without losing focus.   :mad:



Wait one moment Dear, had Oaks not mentioned realestate deals and stuck to the teachers indoctrination of the kids, things may have stayed on track.

I come from a family of school teachers and have a bit of an understanding of what they face each year. One does not get the job of teaching and have any say in the subject matter they are to teach. 

Lately a family member taught in a Christian School for perhaps 10 years. In the beginning all was well yet she noticed each year the teachings becoming more and more liberal.   When she questioned the new subjects the supervisors began to get antsy calling her old fashioned and that kids should be taught to understand the changing times.

Her turning point was when a big contributor to the school managed to get a gay family member hired to teach. She went into a hissie-fit when the teachers live in boyfriend began to come around to the boys basketball games and visit with the players in the locker room.   

The more she complained the more nasty the administers became to her.   Money, it was the Money that mattered from the teachers family to help support the school, not the kids.

Good teachers do not have an easy life, some get sick to their stomachs at the things they are told to teach, they have no say and cannot complain.   

This is America, the woman that voted for Obama twice.   So, she has the right to vote for Mickey Mouse if she wishes.   Perhaps years of teaching what she was told to teach changed her perception of life. Could be she after years was becoming indoctrinated herself. ----Like the ad on TV, "if it is on the internet it must be true".

Please don't blame the teachers for what they teach, put the blame on whoever tells them what to teach.

Everyone at one time or another has had a job that something slightly unethical or shady is requested be done.  What to do, do as told or get fired.    Heck of a decision here, to stay or not to stay, food needs to be put on the table, bills to pay, always decisions, decisions. 

If one is single and under 30, one can go out in a moral huff, if one is over 30 with dependents then one has to protect the family first and make a decision that will effect others lives, not easy to decide to dance with the Devil for the sake of loved ones and keep ones self respect.
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: Dori on February 25, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
In Texas the local school system led by the Superintendent makes the local choices.  The state only recommends.  Now we get into the debate of 'state' governmental control vs local.  Clearly local is not working as 70% of the schools in Texas are using it, then should the 'state' (as in states or Federal) be the controller???  I cannot buy that, study the Hitler Youth Movement and you will understand just what the Feds can do.  And we are seeing this in the US with CSCOPE based upon Obama's common core values the results are communism/socialism good, capitalism bad and having kids draw a flag for a new America based upon that...Why is the lesson plans and program of instruction of CSCOPE is to be kept hidden from parents and outsiders?

I just ran across this CSCOPE situation that just popped up in Texas.

State Investigation Launched After Students Dress in Burqas
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/state-investigation-launched-after-students-dress-in-burqas.html

By Todd Starnes
 
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A Texas lawmaker is launching an investigation after a teacher reportedly invited female students to dress up in Islamic garb and then told her classroom they should call Muslim terrorists – freedom fighters.

The young girl’s father wondered why the teacher was giving children lessons about Islam in a geography class.

“She went from learning about Mexico to learning about Russia to learning about Islam,” he said. “Islam is not a country. Islam is not a continent.”

“The lesson encompassed diversity education so students receive a firm understanding of our world and why people are motivated differently,” the statement read.
 
The parents said they immediately contacted the principal of the high school who defended the program and said it was required under CSCOPE – a controversial electronic curriculum system that provides online lesson plans for teachers.

Again, according to the full article, the parents were not told and also seem to have trouble getting answers.   :mad:
Title: Re: A conversation with a retired school teacher
Post by: J P Sousa on February 25, 2013, 04:00:31 PM

CSCOPE

The TEKS and World Religions
http://www.cscope.us/CSCOPECommunication3.pdf

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World Geography Studies (17B)… describe major world religions, including animism, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Sikhism, and their spatial distribution.


Look up "animism" as a religion.  :thatsright:
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