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How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« on: March 04, 2024, 02:26:32 PM »
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How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
Another member of this sub asked some good questions on another thread, and we had an interesting discussion. Thought it might make a good OP.

The other DU member asks: WWII may have been prevented if the democracies of the world, ourselves, included, had acted sooner. It took Peal Harbor to shake us our of this delusion, back when. What it will take this time around?


Irish Dem reply:

Maybe the loss of our democracy.


This is what we are looking at as quite possible in our near future:

1. Fascist, white male christian minority rule. 


2. All the things people took for granted, taken away.
3. The American people are going to face a big learning curve at some point.
4. A very difficult learning experience.

The other DU member asks: If we lose it all, how do we take it back? 

Better to have this "domestic war" before they gain total control. The problem is we don't have a charismatic "leader" who will take us there. 

We once had a JFK, an MLK, and an RFK to "take us there." 

It's something we are badly in need of today.


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1. The problem is many do not realize we are in a domestic and global war.

2. The PutinGOP wages war against us, as does China and the rest of the autocratic bloc.
They wish to shift the global world order to their favor. And become 21st century superpowers.

3. Most of the GOP aligns with the autocratic bloc because they want what fascists have:
total permanent power and access to all national financial assets.

4. US oligarchs appear to have aligned with the autocratic bloc as well.
They want cheap labor, no taxes and no regulation.

5. Dictator and oligarch rule go hand in hand.

6. This fascist and oligarch goal is now deeply embedded across our government at the highest levels.

7. I do not think a single Dem charismatic leader is the answer.

8. Please note that JFK, RFK, MLK were all assassinated by those in power.

9. I think we do need strong leadership but one person cannot do it alone.

10. But first it entails leaders and citizens finally facing reality. The geopolitics tectonic plates
are shifting beneath our feet as we speak.

11. There is a saying in the mental health field: The truth will set you free, but first it will hurt like hell.

12. It may indeed take a Pearl Harbor type event to wake up the American people.

13. This event will be the loss of our democracy and freedom.

14. At the end of the day it is going to fall on We The People to fight for our democracy.

15. And fight hard.

16. It will take a complex plan to win back our democracy. And require courage.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218743335

Sounds like a threat to me. They are really nervous
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2024, 02:39:26 PM »
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Maybe the loss of our democracy.

This democracy is it in the room with you now?
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2024, 02:41:41 PM »
Quote from: 67 Rover on March 04, 2024, 02:39:26 PM
This democracy is it in the room with you now?

:hi5: earned and awarded, sir. I was debating how best to pluck this particular low-hanging fruit...
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2024, 03:11:19 PM »
It's gotten bad already. That's why Biden is losing in the polls.
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2024, 03:15:35 PM »
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It's gotten bad already. That's why Biden is losing in the polls.

Its pellucidly clear why Biden is losing in the polls. Racism!  :rotf:
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2024, 04:20:15 PM »
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2024, 05:01:08 PM »
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1. Ask NATO to intervene

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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2024, 05:07:07 PM »
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13. This event will be the loss of our democracy and freedom


The only 'freedom' DUmmies truly cherish is the freedom to interfere with everyone elses.

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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2024, 08:45:06 PM »
Quote from: CollectivismMustDie on March 04, 2024, 05:07:07 PM
The only 'freedom' DUmmies truly cherish is the freedom to interfere with everyone elses.

Freedom to abort babies.
Freedom to force pronouns and drag queens on other peoples' children.
Freedom to takes guns from law-abiding citizens.
Freedom to force people to get jabbed with experimental vacs.
Freedom to burn down cities when a druggie ODs.
Freedom to ban free speech.
Freedom to force people to buy EVs.
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2024, 05:39:58 AM »
Quote from: 67 Rover on March 04, 2024, 02:39:26 PM
This democracy is it in the room with you now?


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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2024, 06:07:59 AM »
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3. One of my biggest reasons for hope is that the American people really don't like being told what to do.
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Mon Mar 4, 2024, 03:55 PM

If the American people had a collective shit-fit over mask mandates and vaccine requirements when relatively rational, competent, devoted public servants were in office, how do you think they'll react when the person in charge of looking like someone's in charge is some 400lb loser with a scraggly rat's-nest beard, a wardrobe full of XXXL tactical gear, and who calls himself an 'alpha-dog'?

We make a lot of references to Weimar-Era Germany and the German people here; easy prey for the Nazis. But unlike post-Imperial Germany, the American people have not been conditioned to absolute, unquestioning obedience; and any American Quisling-wannabe is going to get laughed off the dictator-balcony.

It's a scary time, and we have valid reasons for being afraid. But we have a lot more reason to be hopeful than German liberals and humanists did in 1938.

Not an ounce of self reflection.  :mental:
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2024, 07:01:55 AM »
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It will take a complex plan to win back our democracy.

We will have to lie cheat and riot like never before  :rant:
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2024, 07:53:57 AM »
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How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back...

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The last time you clowns couldn't keep an opposition candidate off of the ballot, y'all started a Civil War over it. Somehow, I don't see you clowns - or your insane political masters for that matter - having the testicular fortitude of your Dim'Rat forefathers.

But go ahead; throw down if you're feeling froggy...

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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2024, 11:42:55 AM »
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How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?

I guess you could start by boycotting the election, that will show them! :rotf:
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2024, 12:39:36 PM »
Quote from: DUmpDiver on March 04, 2024, 08:45:06 PM
Freedom to abort babies.
Freedom to force pronouns and drag queens on other peoples' children.
Freedom to takes guns from law-abiding citizens.
Freedom to force people to get jabbed with experimental vacs.
Freedom to burn down cities when a druggie ODs.
Freedom to ban free speech.
Freedom to force people to buy EVs.

Exactly.
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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2024, 02:53:16 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on March 05, 2024, 07:53:57 AM
The last time you clowns couldn't keep an opposition candidate off of the ballot, y'all started a Civil War over it. Somehow, I don't see you clowns - or your insane political masters for that matter - having the testicular fortitude of your Dim'Rat forefathers.

But go ahead; throw down if you're feeling froggy...



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Re: How bad does it have to get? If we lose it all, how do we take it back?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2024, 03:32:33 PM »
[quote Irish Dem ]
11. There is a saying in the mental health field: The truth will set you free, but first it will hurt like hell.
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 I wonder which end of a mental health conversation Irish Dem  is on??
Think he should maybe cut back on the Jameson some.  :cheersmate:

Edit. My trying to paste a quote didn't quite work.
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