Trump is a cultural icon. How do we fight this?

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Moebym (1,032 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:22 PM
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Trump is a cultural icon. How do we fight this?
It occurred to me that the kind of behavior those of us on the left had mocked as weird or even as signs of dementia were qualities many have actually found charming in Trump.

Like it or not, athletes are copying his dance when they score, young people are finding him entertaining, and his manner of speaking is seen as authentic.

Despite all the fascist rhetoric, despite the 34 felony convictions, despite Jan. 6, despite his being a clear danger to women, he's become a cultural icon.

We're fighting against a man and a movement that have not only become part of the landscape here, but have become almost symbolic of America to the rest of the world. Everyone recognizes his signature appearance on sight. Everyone knows his signature phrases and way of speaking.

Harris became a kind of cultural force in her own right, but she hadn't had nearly as much time to reach the "cult" status that Trump has achieved. Her being viewed as part of the Washington establishment and an institutionalist at a time when people were losing trust in institutions probably didn't help much, either, as unfair as it is. Being a politician just isn't "cool".

This is a problem that needs to be discussed more. As much as I hate to say it, our next nominee must be someone that hasn't had the label "establishment" or "elitist" attached to him or her.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219751184

No mention of the economy or illegals failures of the Biden-Harris admin. You know, the things that voters actually care about. It's just because people like his personality.

Harris lost because she's a plastic airhead who was justifiably afraid of the press. She's not smart enough to be seen as part of the establishment. She was just Joe's DEI VP pick.

[Texacon]

Not articulating any real policies and their complete and total embrace of being a freak show party lost then the election.

If they don’t realize just how far left they’ve moved their party, they’re going to continue to lose. Some of the democrats are waking up from their slumber. They weren’t really asleep, they were just terrified to speak out. The freaks will cancel you because of their apologists/elitists.

KC

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Harris became a kind of cultural force in her own right, but she hadn't had nearly as much time to reach the "cult" status that Trump has achieved.

It wasn’t for lack of time that Harris. She began with popularity, then that declined as time went on and she got more exposure. She peaked early.

[enslaved1]

It wasn’t for lack of time that Harris. She began with popularity, then that declined as time went on and she got more exposure. She peaked early.

So she was popular until she opened her mouth, eh? 

[67 Rover]

So she was popular until she opened her mouth, eh?

What you did there, I see it.   

[SVPete]

It wasn’t for lack of time that Harris. She began with popularity, then that declined as time went on and she got more exposure. She peaked early.

IMO, Joe appointing Kammie "Border Czar" back in 2021 was at least partly intended, IMO, to set her up for future accomplishment and public recognition. If Joe didn't already know it, Kammie "responded" by showing her stupidity and laziness by doing nothing with the opportunity given her. I think her entitlement saw the opportunity as not needed.

[SVPete]

Moebym (1,032 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:22 PM

Trump is a cultural icon. How do we fight this?
It occurred to me that the kind of behavior those of us on the left had mocked as weird or even as signs of dementia were qualities many have actually found charming in Trump.

Well, this is closer than most DU-Denizens come. What no DU-Denizen has been honest enough to admit is that Trump voters have liked and like his policies. It helps that he at least tries to do things he promises. What Moebym comes sort of close to recognizing is that many Trump voters like the fact that he fights back, sometimes to the point of getting down into the mud-slingers' mud. "Charming" is pretty much off. It's more like, "It's about time someone fought back!"

[Old n Grumpy]

So she was popular until she opened her mouth, eh?

Unfortunately she opened her mouth while standing and not on her knees.

[DUmpDiver]

IMO, Joe appointing Kammie "Border Czar" back in 2021 was at least partly intended, IMO, to set her up for future accomplishment and public recognition. If Joe didn't already know it, Kammie "responded" by showing her stupidity and laziness by doing nothing with the opportunity given her. I think her entitlement saw the opportunity as not needed.

I think she and Joe misread the 2020 election as a sign that voters didn't really care about the open border or were even favorable to it, probably from watching The View and Morning Joe.

It wasn't until Nancy's coup was staged and KH got the nomination that she pretended to care - which means she finally started looking at polls. Then she ran that stupid commercial where she pretended she'd been tough on the border while CA AG and that she wanted the wall. (I dobut her own voters believed that.)

[Tess Anderson]

Mao, now that was a cultural icon. OP doesn't understand Americans, she went to mainland China last month and should have stayed there

https://www.fastpeoplesearch.com/miao-yu_id_G5041188846394370349



 

 

[FlippyDoo]

Moebym (1,032 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:22 PM
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Trump is a cultural icon. How do we fight this?

I see that Moebym is a low post count DUmmie so maybe it doesn't yet know how DU works. If you're lurking here, Moebym, the standard way to "fight" at DU is to make demands using all caps and a lot of exclamation points. Then gather around the echo chamber and circle jerk each other. Good luck.

[SVPete]

I see that Moebym is a low post count DUmmie so maybe it doesn't yet know how DU works. If you're lurking here, Moebym, the standard way to "fight" at DU is to make demands using all caps and a lot of exclamation points. Then gather around the echo chamber and circle jerk each other. Good luck.

She looks to be of a different culture, though her English is very good. Given Chinese folks' tendency to speak their minds, fairly directly, she'll probably be getting pizza delivery sometime in the next year.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Suck it up and accept it.

Have probably posted before that I despised Donald Trump in the 80's and 90's. He seemed like a NY raconteur who would acquiesce to whomever loved him. When he came down the golden escalator in 2015, I naturally assumed it was a PR ploy. And I supported Ted Cruz in 2016. But President DJT 45/47 very much grew on me once I realized just how really intuitive he is on so many issues, and proudly and enthusiastically voted for him three times. There aren't many living or dead folks who can say that. Don't even think CalPiggy or some other DUmp fossil was alive to vote for FDR three times.

[FlippyDoo]

She looks to be of a different culture, though her English is very good. Given Chinese folks' tendency to speak their minds, fairly directly, she'll probably be getting pizza delivery sometime in the next year.

If she is non-white and does happen to slip up and speak her mind, I concur that she won't last very long at the DU echo chamber and asylum.