DUmmies Discuss Worry That Marxism Delayed Is Marxism Denied

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samrock (241 posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 12:32 PM
Original message
WTH is up with John Murtha saying no health care bill this year!?!?!
 
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/local/local_story_22700...

 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6312327
The only explanation is that even a traitor isn't wrong 100% of the time.

OHdem10 (1000+ posts)       Sat Aug-15-09 12:39 PM
1. Did he get an earful from his constituents back in his state??

DUmmy OHdemnumbers could get a tombstone for saying that. 

flpoljunkie  (1000+ posts)        Sat Aug-15-09 12:46 PM
2. Another Dem wimp--afraid to stand up for the public interest!

   

BattyDem  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 12:51 PM
3. Dennis K. also predicted there would be no bill this year.

I have mixed feelings about a delay. On the one hand, people need help NOW and any delay could mean the difference between life and death for many. On the other hand, a bad bill with no viable public option and a start date of 2013 doesn't help anyone but the insurance companies.

The traitor, and now The Kootch say no.

 

spanone  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 01:06 PM
4. delay is death. if it is delayed it will NEVER get implemented.
delay will be a HUGE defeat for Obama.

Not necessarily. Hillary got her communist bill passed. Didn't she? Uh oh.
 

BattyDem  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 01:16 PM
5. I know, but the thing that worries me is ...
if they pass a bad bill, meaning there's no viable public option and/or it fails to bring down costs for consumers, won't that make things worse in the long run? Wouldn't it be ammunition for the insurance companies to use against any further reform and to repeal what little reform is passed?

I don't know what the answer is and frankly, I'm furious with the Dems for not being more organized to begin with. They should have anticipated the resistance and the phony outrage because it's all happened before. They should have had a PR plan to deal with all the crap. They also should have ironed out the details before getting into a public debate. It's much easier to present something to the public when you know exactly what it is you're talking about. "It may have this" or "It could do that" doesn't cut it.

The answer is simple. If dems ever presented exactly what they want, they would have no chance of passing anything.

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BattyDem  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 12:51 PM
3. Dennis K. also predicted there would be no bill this year.

I have mixed feelings about a delay. On the one hand, people need help NOW and any delay could mean the difference between life and death for many. On the other hand, a bad bill with no viable public option and a start date of 2013 doesn't help anyone but the insurance companies.

Could I ask a question, DUmbass? If this is true, what exactly were they doing before this travesty in healthcare was brought up? I don't recall any great number of people dieing because of no access before! I know! The MSM, being the right wingers they are, were keeping it from us! Yeah, that's the ticket! Get a clue! Better yet, buy a vowel!

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BattyDem  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 01:16 PM
5. I know, but the thing that worries me is ...
if they pass a bad bill, meaning there's no viable public option and/or it fails to bring down costs for consumers, won't that make things worse in the long run? Wouldn't it be ammunition for the insurance companies to use against any further reform and to repeal what little reform is passed?

I don't know what the answer is and frankly, I'm furious with the Dems for not being more organized to begin with. They should have anticipated the resistance and the phony outrage because it's all happened before. They should have had a PR plan to deal with all the crap. They also should have ironed out the details before getting into a public debate. It's much easier to present something to the public when you know exactly what it is you're talking about. "It may have this" or "It could do that" doesn't cut it.

Oh no.  I can assure you the outrage is quite real.  You need to get offline a little more and out in public to see what is happening.

KC

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BattyDem  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-15-09 01:16 PM
5. I know, but the thing that worries me is ...
if they pass a bad bill, meaning there's no viable public option and/or it fails to bring down costs for consumers, won't that make things worse in the long run? Wouldn't it be ammunition for the insurance companies to use against any further reform and to repeal what little reform is passed?

I don't know what the answer is and frankly, I'm furious with the Dems for not being more organized to begin with. They should have anticipated the resistance and the phony outrage because it's all happened before. They should have had a PR plan to deal with all the crap. They also should have ironed out the details before getting into a public debate. It's much easier to present something to the public when you know exactly what it is you're talking about. "It may have this" or "It could do that" doesn't cut it.

That is exactly why they have been secretive because any socialist healthcare bill will have to have a whole bunch of restrictions and mandates to "work".

It is the reason the thing is hundreds of pages long.
Those writing it are not idealistic idiots that think you simply say one day that health care is free via the government.
They have to address issues as supply and costs and when real world (not the ones DUmmies live in) problems crop up another page is written to deal with them.

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The bill is over a thousand pages, but that's just a tiny start. The truly mind-boggling part, and the part that would be most destructive, is the tens of thousands of pages that would have to be added by regulators and bureaucrats after passage to restrict our freedom. A big part of any bill is simply enabling legislation that authorizes bureaucrats to write the detailed regulations that actually affect you and me.