The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-10-11 02:12 PM
Original message
Police Infiltrators MUST Be BUSTED!
It is absolutely imperative that OWS not merely stop the infiltrators/provocateurs from committing acts of violence, but that we get their faces on video!
There is absolutely no reason to allow these people to commit vandalism. ANY person vandalizing property is simply not part of OWS and deserves to be prosecuted. Should anyone attempt violence or vandalism, OWS demonstrators are obligated to not only stop them, but get their unmasked faces on video and attempt a citizen's arrest.
If a COP is captured on video committing violence or vandalism while posing as a protestor, their attempts to infiltrate OWS will cease.
They MUST be stopped, or eventually they will succeed quashing the movement by giving the media the excuse to accuse OWS of being violent. Many people are already convinced that OWS protestors are violent despite the fact that OWS, by definition, is non-violent.
I do not live anywhere near the hot spots of police infiltration. All I can do is entreat those in Oakland, NYC, or anywhere else police are infiltrating the movement to be vigilant and take proactive steps to apprehend and most importantly catch them red-handed on video committing these acts.
If that happens, a massive blow will have been dealt to the tactic, the propaganda, and to corporate parasites we must eventually overthrow.
Please.
In Solidarity,
TD
The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-10-11 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Bwhaahahahaa! Funny thing-
The same holds true today!
The agents provocateur these days tend to carry police-issue equipment still. That's the best part about fascists;
No Imagination.
socialindependocrat (265 posts) Thu Nov-10-11 02:33 PM
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3. Seems easy to me...
If the OWS groups stay loyal to the non-violence message
then, anyone trying to insight violence becomes suspect, right?
THEN, if people take pictures and turn them in to the police
it shows cooperation and the conviction to stay non-violent.
Where's the rub??
The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-10-11 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Unfortunately, it's not nearly so easy.
First; The perpetrators wear masks. So any 'show of cooperation' will result in exactly *zero* arrests or prosecutions.
Second; The media has not gone out of their way to show the protestors trying to stop the vandals. In fact, the media has been deliberately representing the acts of vandalism and violence as being committed by OWS protestors.
Third; Since the police infiltrators are the ones responsible for some of the vandalism, I shouldn't have to explain how silly it is to think that the police will in any way 'appreciate' the efforts to stop the perps and bring them to justice. In fact, it is very much in the interest of the police to NOT acknowledge that the protestors are 'peaceful' since it is the police that are trying to make them appear otherwise.
That means that the ONLY way to prove to the media and the world that OWS is peaceful is to catch one of these agents provocateur red-handed and identify them in viral media.
Do you understand?
The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-10-11 02:35 PM
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4. Oh, and let me add;
There must be clear tactics and protocols to do this so that no one gets hurt. Any cop that is committing vandalism is going to have a retinue of other cops standing by and ready to fend off attempts to stop or unmask the perpetrator.
But I can't say this enough; They MUST be BUSTED!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2276973This is cute.
They work themselves into a froth with morbid fantasies of stolen elections, corporate media, Diebold, 1%ers stealing their ponies, etc etc etc. They claim the political system, i.e. the system by which social disputes are settled peaceably, is hopelessly broken. Every dem that votes against them is a traitor, every republican that disagrees is a terrorist. They claim simple campaign posters inspire mass-murder and the police arresting bottle-throwers are engaged in brutal Gadhaffi-esque acts of brutal repression.
So now when they have stoked themselves to a frenzy they act surprised that some in their ranks are act out violently rather than adhere to the institutions of non-violence (that would be politics!). Of course they would love a forceful crack down by police because then they have an excuse to get violent themselves.
But they cannot admit their side is fraying at the edges so they fabricate a new phantom: the agent provocateur...who is probably Jewish.
Sure they may be crying that the institutions of non-violence are broken, a hint-hint-nudge-nudge-wink-wink for violence by default, but THEY aren't violent. Its cops pretending to be OWieS.
So now they must hunt down the mythical AgProv...who is actually on holiday, hunting snipe.
The people committing acts of violence are their fellow OWieS, they just refuse to admit it because they want moral high ground when the violence kicks off well and true.
So they're going to grab one of these AgProv/OwieS and he isn't going to take well to it. He'll swing back or retaliate later.
This movement will be split into warring factions that may very well be pitching firebombs at each other in a month's time.
I look forward to the video.
