Kill them. Kill them all. Kill them now.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Amerigo Vespucci  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-20-11 07:56 PM
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PHOTOS: Stacie Crimm, the mother who refused chemotherapy to save her unborn daughter
 This is the story of Stacie Crimm, a brave woman from Oklahoma who made the ultimate sacrifice to save her unborn daughter. The 41 year-old mother-to-be began having severe headaches a few months after she found out she was pregnant. A CT scan would reveal Stacie had head and neck cancer. Stacie was faced with the toughest choice of her life, undergo potentially life-saving chemotherapy and hope the baby wouldn't be affected by the invasive treatment, or forgo treatment to let the child grow without the brutal chemo assault, a choice that would end in Stacie's own death.

According to Stacie's brother, Ray, "It didn't take long for (Stacie) to make her decision." She decided against the chemo. A couple months later Stacie collapsed in her home and was rushed to the hospital. The invasive tumor had wrapped itself around Stacie's brain stem. She didn't have long and the baby's heart rate was dropping as well.

Doctors decided to deliver the 2 pound, 1 ounce Dottie May by cesarean section. After the birth, Stacie fell unconscious and was unable to even sign her daughter's birth certificate. Custody of Dottie was given to Stacie's brother, Ray. Doctors feared Stacie would not regain consciousness but on September 8th, Stacie woke up just long enough to hold her daughter one last time.

Three days later, Stacie passed away. What an unbelievably brave woman. Last week, Stacie's brother brought a healthy 5 lb. Dottie home to live with his wife and Dottie's four brand new siblings.
 
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Then come the unworthy:

LynneSin  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-20-11 08:02 PM
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2. The decision the mother made is a personal one - between her and her doctor.
 No government, no bureaucrat, no religious person should be involved in that decision.

Blue_Tires  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-20-11 08:04 PM
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3. Not what I would have done...
 But that's her choice....

Exultant Democracy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-20-11 08:13 PM
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4. Seems like a terrible burden to saddle a child with.
 Bad enough to have a little girl grow up without her mother, even worse to be the cause of the mothers death. But that is just my opinion and I'm not the boss of what people do with their own bodies.

WilmywoodNCparalegal  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-20-11 08:16 PM
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5. I'm ensnared in a message board war on the MSNBC site
 First, some background. I've always wanted to have a biological child. A little over a year and a half ago, I was diagnosed with the early stages of uterine cancer. Unfortunately, I have a rather sad history of cancer in the family - my dad has bladder cancer and his mom died from ovarian cancer. I agonized over what decision to make. The ob/gyn said that she could get me pregnant - no problem. The question was if I wanted to leave my child motherless and my husband a widower. I made the choice to forgo biological motherhood and have a hysterectomy.

I'm alive and cancer-free. That was my choice. This woman made her choice as well. It's a choice I would have never made, for sure, but the key word is "CHOICE" of the kind that the GOP and its ilk would like to take away from me.

What bothers me about this story, however, is that it seems this poor woman's only objective in life was to conceive - not to be a mother or a parent. I find that it is so sad that in the year 2011 many young girls and women are still conditioned to think their worth is strictly tied to their uterus. Not every woman is meant to conceive (and not every man either). There should be no shame if a man or a woman chooses not to or cannot have biological children.

There should be no shame in telling our young girls that you don't have to get pregnant to be respected. We have 7 billion on this planet. We have plenty of kids who are abused or malnourished looking to be adopted by loving parents. This woman's relatives already have 6 kids of their own and this poor child is premature and may need special care the rest of her life. I wish them the best.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2154752

[FreeBorn]

Libtards are sick twisted f&#%s. 

[dandi]

I don't know of any pro-life person that would require by law that a mother sacrifice her own life to ensure the healthy birth of their child. What this mother did was a brave and selfless act of sacrifice to save the life if her child, done out of love, but I don't think it a morally obligatory act. Given that we live in a country of 300,000,000 souls I'm sure there are a handful out there who believe it should be, but they would be so rare as to be statistically insignificant. Just my $.02.

Moonbats, however, would like everyone to believe that women would be forced through any pregnancy if Roe was overturned,and they spread that lie far and wide. They bring up "the health of the mother". The problem is, their definition of "endangering the mother's health" includes everything from the stress of worrying about how to pay for the child's upbringing to being socially embarrassed by an out-of-wedlock pregnancy to mild depression over missing a year of college. Those kind of "health problems" are not justification for snuffing out a human life. 

[Doc Savage]

After reading the story, I believe it said she found out she was pregnant first, then some time later found out that she had cancer. 

As someone that has gone thru this same situation, but reversed, it is no ones business except the mom, dad and the physicians.  My wife and I weighed all the options, spoke to numerous high risk OB's and hematologists before a decision was made to proceed with chemo.  In our case, it was 50/50 if the chemo would affect the pregnancy, however, the cancer was definitely going to affect the pregnancy. 

I commend her for the decision that she made.  The child will be fine.  There will be loving parents, she can be told when she is ready what happened.  It is not like you are going to spring it on her at her 5th birthday party. 

[Erasmus]

Maybe I missed it, but I wonder where the father was throughout all of this?

[seahorse513]

. Seems like a terrible burden to saddle a child with.
 Bad enough to have a little girl grow up without her mother, even worse to be the cause of the mothers death

This little one was certainly not the cause of her mother's death you jackwagon.

Eraumus, I was curious as well. Maybe she had artificial insemination thru a sperm bank

[Vagabond]

Maybe I missed it, but I wonder where the father was throughout all of this?

I couldn't find anything either.  I guess that her brother having custody is a clue.

Book Lover (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-20-11 05:02 PM
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10. How sad
 I know so many of us love these stories of martyrdom, but all I see here is a person blinded by stories and another person who will grow up knowing her life came at the cost of her mother's own.

There are plenty of people that are in this world because someone else risked and lost their life to save them.  There are people who have children who are alive because someone else's little angel died, and their parents made a choice to let their loss save others.  This one will know that her mother loved her so much that she was willing to die for her.

11 Bravo  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-20-11 05:04 PM
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11. The thing that eats me up about this is the fact that this remarkable woman ...
 Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 05:12 PM by 11 Bravo
who made such an intensely personal and painful CHOICE is being co-opted by the anti-choice, forced birth zealots. They call her a hero (which she was) and a testimony to the power of love (which she also was); but they kind of gloss over the fact that if they had their way she would be neither of those things, because she would have been forced to bear the child anyway.
I despise those miserable sanctimonious bastards

FOAD, asshole winter soldier.  If you want to know our position, man up and come over here.

[dandi]

11 Bravo  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-20-11 05:04 PM
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11. The thing that eats me up about this is the fact that this remarkable woman ...
 Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 05:12 PM by 11 Bravo
who made such an intensely personal and painful CHOICE is being co-opted by the anti-choice, forced birth zealots. They call her a hero (which she was) and a testimony to the power of love (which she also was); but they kind of gloss over the fact that if they had their way she would be neither of those things, because she would have been forced to bear the child anyway.
I despise those miserable sanctimonious bastards

That is unmitigated horseshit. I defy any DUmmy lurker to log on here and present evidence that supports that. Lying swine.

[Gina]

Bitter bitter women.  They are SUPPOSED to be the tolerant one's yet any time someone makes a decision that is not what they would choose, they start in either talking down to them or calling them names. 

It must suck to know you were born with just a cold and bitter heart.  They would rather her kill the baby and live everyday with that regret than live her life the way she saw fit.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It must suck to know you were born with just a cold and bitter heart.  They would rather her kill the baby and live everyday with that regret than live her life the way she saw fit.

God made only one Heaven but He entitled each of us to our own Hell.

[MrsSmith]

1 Bravo  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-20-11 05:04 PM
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11. The thing that eats me up about this is the fact that this remarkable woman ...
 Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 05:12 PM by 11 Bravo
who made such an intensely personal and painful CHOICE is being co-opted by the anti-choice, forced birth zealots. They call her a hero (which she was) and a testimony to the power of love (which she also was); but they kind of gloss over the fact that if they had their way she would be neither of those things, because she would have been forced to bear the child anyway.
I despise those miserable sanctimonious bastards

   DUmmies lie...DUmmies lie all the time.  There has never been suggested or written any regulation that would force a woman to sacrifice her life to save her child's.  The rule is, and always has been (since the time the Torah was written, anyway, because it's in there), if both may die, at least do all possible to save one.  Which one depends on circumstances, but given this exact scenario, the mother could have legally chosen either route.  From the time of the Torah, the most often circumstance was when labor could not bring forth the child, and both would die.  At the point that became obvious, it was legal to deliver the child dead, in any way necessary to let the mother live.

[delilahmused]

A lot of projection going on there. But you knew that.

Cindie

[Tucker]

She made the only choice she could have.

One choice was murder and the other was life even if it meant her death. She died with the grace of God.

[thundley4]

She made the only choice she could have.

One choice was murder and the other was life even if it meant her death. She died with the grace of God.

The article said she had terminal cancer. Even with treatment, she didn't have long to live, so she made the choice that was best for her.