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El Salvador primitive living in a food desert
« on: May 29, 2009, 09:35:34 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x60692

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salvorhardin  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 09:09 PM
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Living in a Food Desert

Low-income neighborhoods have higher rates of chronic diseases for a reason—they don’t have access to supermarkets that sell fresh fruits and vegetables. ...

But even though information on healthy foods may be more readily available than before the obesity epidemic, it has not resulted in across-the-board changes for people in all socio-economic classes. A closer look at the situation reveals that healthy food is a privilege. The wealthier you are, the more ability you have to choose a favorable environment where a healthier quality of life, including healthier food, is readily available.

The problem for poor people isn’t just a lack of disposable income to purchase healthier food. For the most part, people in low-income neighborhoods cannot access healthy foods like fresh fruits and vegetables because it is inconvenient or nearly impossible to get to a place that sells them. Areas with limited or no access to local supermarkets are known as a "food deserts." Such places are often littered with convenience stores or fast food restaurants, leaving people with cheap but unhealthy options. Unlike their richer counterparts, poor neighborhoods have 30 percent fewer supermarkets.

Food deserts initially coincided with the "white flight" in the 1960s and ’70s. Supermarkets followed affluent whites into suburban areas, leaving people in low-income areas without access to healthy foods. As a result, establishments that sell unhealthy, over-processed food, like convenience stores and fast-food restaurants, experienced abundant growth in poor areas, leading to higher incidences of chronic diseases like diabetes, obesity, and heart disease.

Stewart Auyash, an associate professor of health promotion and physical education at Ithaca College, noted many investors don’t see it as economically viable to open supermarkets in poor areas. As a result, Auyash says, "the competition isn’t as much between supermarkets and the costs of food increase. It may be hard to believe, but food costs are higher in poorer areas of our country, rural and urban, than in suburban areas, where there are … wealthier people." This is something that DeNeen Brown explored in a recent Washington Post article.

http://www.campusprogress.org/fieldreport/4092/living-i...

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Poor? Pay Up.

Having Little Money Often Means No Car, No Washing Machine, No Checking Account And No Break From Fees and High Prices.

You have to be rich to be poor.

That's what some people who have never lived below the poverty line don't understand.

Put it another way: The poorer you are, the more things cost. More in money, time, hassle, exhaustion, menace. This is a fact of life that reality television and magazines don't often explain.

So we'll explain it here. Consider this a primer on the economics of poverty.

"The poor pay more for a gallon of milk; they pay more on a capital basis for inferior housing," says Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.). "The poor and 100 million who are struggling for the middle class actually end up paying more for transportation, for housing, for health care, for mortgages. They get steered to subprime lending. . . . The poor pay more for things middle-class America takes for granted."

Poverty 101: We'll start with the basics.

Like food: You don't have a car to get to a supermarket, much less to Costco or Trader Joe's, where the middle class goes to save money. You don't have three hours to take the bus. So you buy groceries at the corner store, where a gallon of milk costs an extra dollar.

A loaf of bread there costs you $2.99 for white. For wheat, it's $3.79. The clerk behind the counter tells you the gallon of leaking milk in the bottom of the back cooler is $4.99. She holds up four fingers to clarify. The milk is beneath the shelf that holds beef bologna for $3.79. A pound of butter sells for $4.49. In the back of the store are fruits and vegetables. The green peppers are shriveled, the bananas are more brown than yellow, the oranges are picked over.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

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snappyturtle  (1000+ posts)      Thu May-28-09 09:21 PM
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1. K&R Having read the WP article earlier this week I have thought about it often the last few days as I go on with my daily life. Life depicted in this article has got to cause absolute rage in those who live this way on minimum wage, probably. I would lose my mind. I have had very difficult years but never close to this way of life. No one should have to live this way.

Thanks for posting and let's hope those in power in Washington, D.C. read it and....really think about what life is like for too many.....who most likely don't dare to dream an "American dream".

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salvorhardin  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 09:32 PM
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2. It's not just the working poor either

It's the disabled and elderly too. Anyone on a fixed income. For instance, many on Social Security Disability are subsisting on $700 a month plus food stamps.

37 million people* are living below the poverty line. In 2008 in the U.S. the poverty line was fixed at $11,201/yr. for a single person ($933/mo.) or $21,834/yr. for a family of four ($1819.50/mo.)**.

Just to put that in perspective, as many people are living below the poverty line as the populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Detroit, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Indianapolis, Columbus, Austin, Fort Worth, Memphis, Charlotte, Baltimore, Boston, El Paso, Milwaukee, Seattle, Nashville, Denver, Washington and Las Vegas combined***.

How many people are struggling at just above or near the poverty line? How many more are just making ends meet even while being classified as lower middle class?

And to think this kind of abject poverty doesn't affect health is just absurd.

*c.f. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/feb/19/usa.paulhar...

**c.f. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/threshld/thresh0...

***c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_citi...

BTW: Thanks much for the recommend.

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snappyturtle  (1000+ posts)      Thu May-28-09 09:41 PM
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3. Ohyou're welcome. I'm so glad you posted this. I ran out of time the day I read it and was beating myself up later for having not posted it!

I hadn't thought about those on fixed incomes! Shame on me. It would take massive amounts of energy to live a life depicted in the article. I know from personal experience that I can't do what I did when I was thirty. If this were happening to me, I would be wallowing in self-pity and hatred, after a period of envy, of those who lived better. I think we must work to equalize the playing field of life even if it means socialist policies. HA! I hope I live long enough to see it happen.

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HamdenRice (1000+ posts)        Fri May-29-09 10:14 AM
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5. It's also very regional. NYC's poor neighborhoods are loaded with fresh fruit and veggies

But that's because there are so many immigrants. The tropical fruits and veggies are astounding, and most of the poor neighborhoods of Brooklyn, for example, are brimming with them.

Well, franksolich agrees with the El Salvador primitive; this is indeed a problem.

However, we might disagree upon a solution.
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Re: El Salvador primitive living in a food desert
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 09:58:26 AM »
blah blah blah.

what garbage.

If those neighborhoods could support a grocery store, and didn't rob it blind on a daily basis, they would have a grocery store.

end of story.

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Re: El Salvador primitive living in a food desert
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 10:04:23 AM »
blah blah blah.

what garbage.

If those neighborhoods could support a grocery store, and didn't rob it blind on a daily basis, they would have a grocery store.

end of story.

Essentially, that is part of the problem.

High theft rates in some places.

One wonders how the El Salvador primitive would deal with that.
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Re: El Salvador primitive living in a food desert
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 10:05:47 AM »
why was snappyturtle mocking DUmmies? does he want TSed?

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Re: El Salvador primitive living in a food desert
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 11:06:43 AM »
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Just to put that in perspective, as many people are living below the poverty line as the populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Detroit, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Indianapolis, Columbus, Austin, Fort Worth, Memphis, Charlotte, Baltimore, Boston, El Paso, Milwaukee, Seattle, Nashville, Denver, Washington and Las Vegas combined***.

BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT!!!!

Inadvertently mentioning the big democrat corruption cites and the total poor probably has a .85 correlation factor.

DUchebags (& 50+% of the voters) will never look at the results of their policies only the intentions.  If they did then a liberal would never have a public job above clerk.
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When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.