Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.

[longview]

I bet a lot of the local law enforcement weren't too thrilled with what the Feds were doing. 

The sheriff just as well move away.  If he wasn't saying stupid stuff, he was acting like a timid dog.

And the governor wasn't much better.  I think he learned leadership with Obama.  Released some statements being deeply disappointed in the BLM, and such. 

Either one of them could have stopped this before it started. 

[longview]

Mr. Bundy's brother, Steven, addressed the supporters at the ranch.  In my opinion, he makes some good points.  Beyond cows and the BLM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=UUhOYk2wWjcGx9mHn-zEbmlQ&v=5J8DQ9gVRN8

[seahorse513]

I haven't been following this story, but I am sure, I don't understand what is happening...

[obumazombie]

I haven't been following this story, but I am sure, I don't understand what is happening...

Lately it's starting to look like it's about corrupt libs all the way up to the Senate majority leader.

[seahorse513]

Lately it's starting to look like it's about corrupt libs all the way up to the Senate majority leader.

Which is Harry Reid, correct?

[DLR Pyro]

I haven't been following this story, but I am sure, I don't understand what is happening...

in a nutshell,  our government i s more interested in harassing and controlling U.S. citizens than they are in harassing and controlling illegal aliens.

[Dori]

in a nutshell,  our government i s more interested in harassing U.S. citizens than they are in harassing illegal aliens.

Yes, they won't put helicopters, dogs and snipers on the border, but they will on a Nevada rancher.

[willcross]

Shouldn't Bundy have to pay his fee like everyone else? The federal government owns that land. Did Bundy pay his fees when Reagan implemented the fee paying program by executive order?

[Mr Mannn]

Shouldn't Bundy have to pay his fee like everyone else? The federal government owns that land. Did Bundy pay his fees when Reagan implemented the fee paying program by executive order?

Its not about fees, stupid.
The govt declared the land a desert tortoise sanctuary and put 90+ other ranchers out of business. This despite the fact that the tortoise coexisted just fine with cattle for 100+ years.

The real reason this is coming to a head is Harry Reid made a deal to sell Bundy's land to a Chines energy firm and he doesn't want to pay for the land himself. Democrat corruption at its finest.

Bitchslap given for parroting the govt line and not reading on your own. troll.

[Mr Mannn]

I'm betting the govt is only backing down until the armed resistance goes away, then they will be back and will act before patriots can react.

[longview]

Shouldn't Bundy have to pay his fee like everyone else? The federal government owns that land. Did Bundy pay his fees when Reagan implemented the fee paying program by executive order?

The Feds don't own that land.  The BLM only manages some lands and Bundy was in complete compliance with the conditions and requirements of his lease.  He owned the water, was required to make certain improvements related to water (which he exceeded), and had a grazing lease with NV agencies.  He had made improvements with his own money.  He sent fees to the state and county agencies that DO own the land.

Most... No, too many people think when they or someone else is on what is called BLM land, they are on federal land.  Never true.  Never.

BTW, Mr. Bundy won his first case in federal court years ago.  

And furthermore - the Pope could have said "Pay fees to the BLM" and it wouldn't have been right and Mr. Bundy wouldn't have done it.

BSed for thinking name dropping changes wrong into right.

[willcross]

The Feds don't own that land.  The BLM only manages some lands and Bundy was in complete compliance with the conditions and requirements of his lease.  He owned the water, was required to make certain improvements related to water (which he exceeded), and had a grazing lease with NV agencies.  He had made improvements with his own money.  He sent fees to the state and county agencies that DO own the land.

Most... No, too many people think when they or someone else is on what is called BLM land, they are on federal land.  Never true.  Never.

BTW, Mr. Bundy won his first case in federal court years ago.  

And furthermore - the Pope could have said "Pay fees to the BLM" and it wouldn't have been right and Mr. Bundy wouldn't have done it.

BSed for thinking name dropping changes wrong into right.

Why did Bundy pay the fees until 1993. Did the Feds own the land then?

Does Nevada's state government claim to own that land?

[longview]

Why did Bundy pay the fees until 1993. Did the Feds own the land then?

Does Nevada's state government claim to own that land?

Mr. Bundy paid his fees to county/state agencies.  In 1993, BLM changed the rules, reduced his allotment, and wanted fees paid to them.  That wasn't the deal the Bundy family had.  He continued to send his fees as he always had.  The BLM didn't receive them, because according to the agreement, the BLM was not owed them.

Yes, Nevada state and the county does own the land.

[willcross]

The Feds don't own that land.  The BLM only manages some lands and Bundy was in complete compliance with the conditions and requirements of his lease.  He owned the water, was required to make certain improvements related to water (which he exceeded), and had a grazing lease with NV agencies.  He had made improvements with his own money.  He sent fees to the state and county agencies that DO own the land.

Most... No, too many people think when they or someone else is on what is called BLM land, they are on federal land.  Never true.  Never.

BTW, Mr. Bundy won his first case in federal court years ago. 

And furthermore - the Pope could have said "Pay fees to the BLM" and it wouldn't have been right and Mr. Bundy wouldn't have done it.

BSed for thinking name dropping changes wrong into right.

Clark county and the state of Nevada disagrees with you on that one.

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/comprehensive_planning/advanced_planning/Pages/FederalLands.aspx

That's the official Clark County website.

"The Federal Lands Program influences the quality of life in Clark County by monitoring and coordinating activities on federal land that impact the environment, urban development or the economy.

[longview]

Clark county and the state of Nevada disagrees with you on that one.

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/comprehensive_planning/advanced_planning/Pages/FederalLands.aspx

That's the official Clark County website.

"The Federal Lands Program influences the quality of life in Clark County by monitoring and coordinating activities on federal land that impact the environment, urban development or the economy.

Once the BLM is given control of land, regardless of who owns the land, it is considered "BLM land."  Therein lies a large part of the problem.  The BLM's management or mismanagement of public lands.

A lot of people made deals with other agencies and don't recognize the BLM because too many of their practices are based on politics rather than science.

[longview]

 From the BLM site:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Communications_Directorate/general_publications/general.Par.75750.File.dat/TextBLMbro.pdf

They manage.  And:

http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/

They only manage.

[willcross]

Once the BLM is given control of land, regardless of who owns the land, it is considered "BLM land."  Therein lies a large part of the problem.  The BLM's management or mismanagement of public lands.

A lot of people made deals with other agencies and don't recognize the BLM because too many of their practices are based on politics rather than science.

Well the thing is, Bundy is saying the state of Nevada owns that land, and Nevada is saying "no actually we don't". Nevada fully recognizes that 90% of Clark county is Federal land.

[Dori]

From the BLM site:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Communications_Directorate/general_publications/general.Par.75750.File.dat/TextBLMbro.pdf

They manage.  And:

http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/

They only manage.

Anyone know why the feds own 87% of Nevada in the first place?

[willcross]

From the BLM site:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Communications_Directorate/general_publications/general.Par.75750.File.dat/TextBLMbro.pdf

They manage.  And:

http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/

They only manage.

Yeah, they manage FEDERAL LAND.

[obumazombie]

Which is Harry Reid, correct?

Correct a mundo. And his son Rorey.

[Mr Mannn]

Yeah, they manage FEDERAL LAND.

Another bitch slap for being an Administration schill. You are such a racist.

[Dori]

There are so many elements to this Bundy thing that need explained.

What really upsets me the most is the Feds ownership of state land.
Why does the government own so much land in the West? Where in the constitution does it allow for this? 




 

[DLR Pyro]

according to harry reid, it's not over

Reid tells News4's Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said

Is he referring to the Ranchers in Nevada or king barry and his law breaking A.G. eric "my people" holder when he says we can't have American people violate the law and just walk away from it. 

[Chris_]

Don't get between Harry Reid and a dollar.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the Chinese solar farm that's being installed next to the Bundy ranch.

[wasp69]

Shouldn't Bundy have to pay his fee like everyone else? 

Why not read the words of the man himself?

In His Own Words: Here’s Why the Nevada Rancher Refuses to Recognize Federal Authority

Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in Clark County, Nev., stands at the center of what has become a national controversy over the private use of federal land. He is focused on one big issue, he said in a radio interview with Glenn Beck on Monday: He doesn’t believe the land belongs to the federal government.

“I think this is very clarifying to people,” Beck said. “Your stance is, ‘I do not recognize these lands to be federal … I am staking out my claim that the United States government does not have any jurisdiction, and any rights to the land that [I am] now grazing on.’”

“That’s right,” Bundy said. “It’s Nevada land.”

Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/in-his-own-words-heres-why-the-nevada-rancher-refuses-to-recognize-federal-authority/

The federal government owns that land.

The Federal Government doesn't own a damn thing, DUmmie, "we, the people" own it.

Did Bundy pay his fees when Reagan implemented the fee paying program by executive order?

Oh, look...  You managed to find a way to throw President Reagan in our faces....  Bless your little pea pickin' heart!