Violence in the Black Community @ McDonalds (merged)

[Janice]

From the DailyMail.co.uk:

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Hackett, who has worked at McDonald's in Rosedale since September 2009, claimed credit for the video on his Facebook account,
 which he has since taken down.

At one point the employee can be heard laughing hysterically at the violence in front of him.
This is the guy claiming she was a man. He is also the guy who warned the perps to escape before police arrived.:

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Throughout the attack, a man is filming and does not intervene. But when the victim appears to go into a seizure, he yells,
"She having a seizure, yo. … Police on their way. Y'all better get out of here."

[redwhit]

I have no idea if the victim was a female or male, I see the violence as more the issue, and what's someone going to do about it? we're at the point now that if this was a white female? Holder wouldn't do a damn thing about it, but if it's a transgendered person? hate crime charges would be filed, what's it going to take for hate crime charges to be filed if the victim is white? and when is crime going to be addressed in the black community?

The sad thing is that it really won't matter anymore.  The story of the creepy guy in the women's restroom, true or not, will become the story.

You do raise an excellent point and I would argue that we have a community with some members trying to maintain a separation, limiting the progress.  Sharpton, Jackson, et al. have done more damage to community and cohesion within both black and white communities in their short lifetimes than I think can be overcome in three.  

And to think, Jesse started out following Martin Luther King.  Unfortunately, King's message is basically gone, fully replaced with Jesse's money-making race wars.  

[Ballygrl]

The sad thing is that it really won't matter anymore.  The story of the creepy guy in the women's restroom, true or not, will become the story.

You do raise an excellent point and I would argue that we have a community with some members trying to maintain a separation, limiting the progress.  Sharpton, Jackson, et al. have done more damage to community and cohesion within both black and white communities in their short lifetimes than I think can be overcome in three.  

And to think, Jesse started out following Martin Luther King.  Unfortunately, King's message is basically gone, fully replaced with Jesse's money-making race wars.

Their livelihood depends on it hence self-serving reasons by keeping the gap wide, too bad there aren't enough blacks fed-up to counter their arguments.

[redwhit]

Their livelihood depends on it hence self-serving reasons by keeping the gap wide, too bad there aren't enough blacks fed-up to counter their arguments.

Exactly and they manipulate their status within the community.  Not that they are the ONLY thing wrong but it's a really big one.

What's heartening is that we're seeing a few leaders come out that are identifying as Americans before anything else.  Until that becomes the norm, nothing really positive and permanent will happen I fear.

[Gina]

This incident has made me so mad.  **** them savages

[Thor]

All the more reason to carry a gun and KNOW how to use it. **** them. Kill them where they stand!! (That goes for any kind of that type of violence.)

[Janice]

You can express your indignation to corporate ears here:

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/contact_us/other_topics/other_topics.html

Im giving them an earful, but meanwhile I'm waiting to see if McDonalds takes this serious or just passes it off with some stupid pc rhetoric as to whether or not I ever conduct business with them again.

[vesta111]

You can express your indignation to corporate ears here:

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/contact_us/other_topics/other_topics.html

Im giving them an earful, but meanwhile I'm waiting to see if McDonalds takes this serious or just passes it off with some stupid pc rhetoric as to whether or not I ever conduct business with them again.

Devils Advocate HERE.

I understand why the men were reluctant to intervene in a CAT fight.   For a man to jump in and get himself in grave danger then be accused of groping the woman is a possibility.  Really what can a man do when the fur begins to fly in order to protect themselves.  How is a male to know if all of the woman will not turn on him???

It is not the employees job to break up fights at their work place, call the police yes but not man handle the customers. Had an employee tripped one of the woman and she fell breaking her leg, there would be a law suit against the store.  Their job is to serve food not to police the customers.   

Complicated world out there, it is at the point that a good Samaritan jumping into a dangerous situation with no training in how to handle the situation can face court by not only the Peps but the victim themselves.

From the video the assailants were fearless, bent on giving the victim a good shellacking.  They kept coming back to do more damage.   One of the girls was only 14 years old and it seems that only an old lady intervened and she was a customer.

If instead of 2 girls it had been 2 males beating up a woman then I can see the employees jumping in to help her.   However as the employees had no idea that the victim was not a female also, I believe they had no choice but to stand and watch and record the incident for the police.  A cops worse nighmare is to go up alone with no backup against 3 woman fighting and try to restore order.

These males were all young and I guess their momma taught them better then to get involved in that shit.

[Chris_]

A senseless murder in St. Louis.  Apparently, punching somebody in the head is now a "game".

The funeral for 72-year-old Hoang Nguyen was held at Resurrection of Our Lord Catholic Church in South City Thursday morning. Police say the Vietnamese immigrant is the victim of a deadly game called the ‘Knock Out’ game. City leaders are trying to get the word out.

St. Louis police and Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce are tweeting about it, they’re talking to community leaders about it, and city leaders are finding out this Knock Out game, where you attack and try to knock out someone vulnerable, may be happening more than they realized.

Hoang Nguyen’s death followed an incomprehensible crime in an alley near Spring and Chippewa. According to court documents, Nguyen was punched in his head, causing him to fall to the ground and smack his head against the pavement, allegedly by this man, 18-year-old Elex Levell Murphy, who has been charged with first-degree murder. Another male suspect started kicking Nguyen in the rib cage. And it says Murphy admitted it was part of the Knock Out game. Ward Alderwoman Jennifer Florida attended Nguyen’s funeral.

KSDK News

[Ballygrl]

The person beaten up was transgendered, so now my question is this, when this person was just a white woman what group called for hate crime charges?

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

[redwhit]

The person beaten up was transgendered, so now my question is this, when this person was just a white woman what group called for hate crime charges?

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

Wow, legally this gets messier with each step.  This could, arguably, be classified under hate crimes legislation and it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Regardless, even if it were a male in a female restroom, the beating is waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line for the infraction.  The fact that some people think this is acceptable does not bode well for the future. 

[BEG]

The person beaten up was transgendered, so now my question is this, when this person was just a white woman what group called for hate crime charges?

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

I haven't went to the link but what I read last night that the guy who recorded it (a McDonald's employee who was bragging on Twitter about it) was the one claiming that but the cops said the victim was a woman.

[Evil_Conservative]

The person beaten up was transgendered, so now my question is this, when this person was just a white woman what group called for hate crime charges?

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

Trans-gendered or not... it was still a hate crime.

[Ptarmigan]

The person beaten up was transgendered, so now my question is this, when this person was just a white woman what group called for hate crime charges?

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

I am no fan of hate crime laws, but it should apply in this one for sure.

[Rebel]

Devils Advocate HERE.

I understand why the men were reluctant to intervene in a CAT fight.

Cat fight? What are you, ****ing blind?

[vesta111]

Cat fight? What are you, ****ing blind?

Nope, CAT fight is a term in use to discribe woman who get in a fight.  I believe it comes from the expression that is safer to try to separate cats fighting then to get between two angry woman. 

[Ballygrl]

Wow, legally this gets messier with each step.  This could, arguably, be classified under hate crimes legislation and it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Regardless, even if it were a male in a female restroom, the beating is waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line for the infraction.  The fact that some people think this is acceptable does not bode well for the future. 

I think the beating is horrible no matter what sex the person is, my point though is this, you have the LGBT community speaking up about this now because the person is trans-gendered, but who was speaking out when they thought the perrson being beaten up was just a white woman?

[Ballygrl]

Trans-gendered or not... it was still a hate crime.

Exactly! but would Eric Holder recognize that?

[Ballygrl]

I am no fan of hate crime laws, but it should apply in this one for sure.

I have no problem if it applies here either but I have a problem that hate crime laws exclude straight white men and women.

[JohnnyReb]

I think the beating is horrible no matter what sex the person is, my point though is this, you have the LGBT community speaking up about this now because the person is trans-gendered, but who was speaking out when they thought the perrson being beaten up was just a white woman?

If you're JUST white, you don't count anymore. You have to be a member of some special group.

...and a cat fight is when 2 or more women sling there arms around, pull out hunks of hair and pull off clothes. What happened there is a beat down.

[DefiantSix]

I have no idea if the victim was a female or male, I see the violence as more the issue, and what's someone going to do about it? we're at the point now that if this was a white female? Holder wouldn't do a damn thing about it, but if it's a transgendered person? hate crime charges would be filed, what's it going to take for hate crime charges to be filed if the victim is white? and when is crime going to be addressed in the black community?

First: the Supreme Court has upheld repeatedly that the police department is not responsible for the safety or protection of any single individual in the community.  Fine, I say: operate under that assumption, and carry accordingly.  When violence breaks out in front of you, you've seen plenty of examples of it expanding beyond the original combatants to include assaults on bystanders, so there's your "in fear for my life" justification for deadly force, in most jurisdictions.

Second:  your question about how we bring it to a close reminds me of the Golda Meir quote:  "We will have peace when they love their children more than they hate us."  The black community has been primed for this violence by being told for 4 generations or more that the white man is the source of all their problems. If we respond to the violence in the manner outlined above, eventually we will either get to the point where the thugs get the point that it's dangerous to be a thug, or they - the thugs - will become extinct as a sub-set of the species.  Either way, peace is restored.

[Rebel]

Nope, CAT fight is a term in use to discribe woman who get in a fight.  I believe it comes from the expression that is safer to try to separate cats fighting then to get between two angry woman. 

Wrong. A cat fight is where women start clawing and slapping at each other. These two thugs were kicking this person. That wasn't a cat fight, that was a malicious beating.

[Ballygrl]

First: the Supreme Court has upheld repeatedly that the police department is not responsible for the safety or protection of any single individual in the community.  Fine, I say: operate under that assumption, and carry accordingly.  When violence breaks out in front of you, you've seen plenty of examples of it expanding beyond the original combatants to include assaults on bystanders, so there's your "in fear for my life" justification for deadly force, in most jurisdictions.

I would love to carry, but it's a nightmare to get a license in NJ, you need a freaking gun license to own a BB Gun. We had a guy in the next County over who was kidnapped, turned out the kidnappers kidnapped the wrong guy, he was able to escape, well he applied for a license to openly carry a gun and he was denied.

Second:  your question about how we bring it to a close reminds me of the Golda Meir quote:  "We will have peace when they love their children more than they hate us."  The black community has been primed for this violence by being told for 4 generations or more that the white man is the source of all their problems. If we respond to the violence in the manner outlined above, eventually we will either get to the point where the thugs get the point that it's dangerous to be a thug, or they - the thugs - will become extinct as a sub-set of the species.  Either way, peace is restored.

1 of the benefits of law abiding citizens being allowed to freely own a gun, a criminal won't chance it.

[Evil_Conservative]

Nope, CAT fight is a term in use to discribe woman who get in a fight.  I believe it comes from the expression that is safer to try to separate cats fighting then to get between two angry woman. 

Vesta, that was NOT a cat fight.  You want to see a cat fight, head out to any bar around closing time.  Cat fight is just a few slaps and hair pulling.  NOT stomping on a face, dragging outside, and throwing someone into a seizure.

[Janice]

These animals beat the woman almost to death and transgender is the issue?

What if the victim had been black as well, would all those wonderful employees (still employed minus one btw) just watch?

Not to worry though, the two black girls have nothing to fear. Eric Holder will see to that.