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With all of the misinformation and hyperbole in the media about this event, I thought an injection of facts might be appropriate:

http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/

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Fukushima Daiichi
The reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant are in stable condition and are being cooled with seawater, but workers at the plant continue efforts to add cooling water to fuel pools at reactors 3 and 4.


The status of the reactors at the site is as follows:

Reactor 1’s primary containment is believed to be intact and the reactor is in a stable condition. Seawater injection into the reactor is continuing.

Reactor 2 is in stable condition with seawater injection continuing. The reactor’s primary containment may not have been breached, Tokyo Electric Power Co. and World Association of Nuclear Operators officials said on Thursday.

Access problems at the site have delayed connection of a temporary cable to restore off-site electricity. The connection will provide power to the control rod drive pump, instrumentation, batteries and the control room. Power has not been available at the site since the earthquake on March 11.

Reactor 3 is in stable condition with seawater injection continuing. The primary containment is believed to be intact. Pressure in the containment has fluctuated due to venting of the reactor containment structure.

TEPCO officials say that although one side of the concrete wall of the reactor 4 fuel pool structure has collapsed, the steel liner of the pool remains intact, based on aerial photos of the reactor taken on March 17. The pool still has water providing some cooling for the fuel; however, helicopters dropped water on the reactor four times during the morning (Japan time) on March 17. Water also was sprayed at reactor 4 using high-pressure water cannons.

Reactors 5 and 6 were both shut down before the quake occurred. Primary and secondary containments are intact at both reactors. Temperature instruments in the spent fuel pools at reactors 5 and 6 are operational, and temperatures are being maintained at about 62 degrees Celsius. TEPCO is continuing efforts to restore power at reactor 5.

Fukushima Daini
All four reactors at the Fukushima Daini plant have reached cold shutdown conditions with normal cooling being maintained using residual heat removal systems.

Additional details and updates will be available at link........

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 01:48:42 PM »
I saw Michio Kaku on Nightline last night.  He was doing a very good imitation of this: :panic:
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 01:54:19 PM »
What do you expect from a bunch of teleprompter readers who don't even possess the technical ability to program their DVR's?
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 02:18:11 PM »
I pray to God that they do have this thing in some sort of "control" Looks like they do. Now to get the power back to the plants and get, hopefuly, full control over this event.



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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 02:30:55 PM »
Details regarding the workers at the plant:

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Only one casualty has been reported at the Fukushima Daini plant. A worker in the crane operating console of the exhaust stack was seriously injured when the earthquake struck. He subsequently died.

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Two Tepco employees have minor injuries.
 
Two contractors were injured when the quake struck and were taken to hospital, one suffering two broken legs.
A Tepco worker was taken to hospital after collapsing and experiencing chest pains.

A subcontract worker at an "important earthquake-proof building" was found unconscious and was taken to hospital.

Two Tepco workers felt ill whilst working in the control rooms of Fukushima Daiichi units 1 and 2 and were taken to the medical centre at Fukushima Daini.
 
Four workers were injured in the hydrogen explosion at Fukushima Daiichi 1. They were all taken to hospital.

Eleven workers (four Tepco workers, three subcontract workers and four members of Self Defence Force) were hurt following a similar explosion at Fukushima Daiichi 3. They were transferred to the Fukushima Daini plant. One of the Tepco employees, complaining of pain in his side, was later transferred to hospital.
 
The whereabouts of two Tepco workers, who had been in the turbine building of Fukushima Daiichi unit 4, is unknown.

Contamination cases:

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One Tepco worker working within the reactor building of Fukushima Daiichi unit 3 during "vent work" was taken to hospital after receiving radiation exposure exceeding 100 mSv, a level deemed acceptable in emergency situations by some national nuclear safety regulators.

Nine Tepco employees and eight subcontractors suffered facial exposure to low levels of radiation. They did not require hospital treatment.

Two policemen were decontaminated after beng exposed to radiation.

An unspecified number of firemen who were exposed to radiation are under investigation.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Progress_by_on-site_workers_1703111.html

Additional details at link.........

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »
This just proves that we're all gonna die.  This is 100 times worse than Chernobyl.  This is why we should close all the nuclear reactors around the world now  They are nothing but invisible killers.


How can people think like that. 

Hey bubblehead...........that person that took the 100 mSv is actually a lot isn't it?  I'm thinking that's like 10 rem
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 08:10:57 PM »
This just proves that we're all gonna die.  This is 100 times worse than Chernobyl.  This is why we should close all the nuclear reactors around the world now  They are nothing but invisible killers.


How can people think like that. 

Hey bubblehead...........that person that took the 100 mSv is actually a lot isn't it?  I'm thinking that's like 10 rem

Yup--10 Rem. Might even see a little bit of an increase in his WBC count.  Other than that, nada.
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 08:16:37 PM »
Yup--10 Rem. Might even see a little bit of an increase in his WBC count.  Other than that, nada.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 09:34:05 PM »
I saw Michio Kaku on Nightline last night.  He was doing a very good imitation of this: :panic:

Isn't Michio Kaku a physicist?? WTF would HE know about nuclear power (more than the rest of us) ?? Upon reading the Wiki entries about him, he has NO training in Nuclear Power. NONE.  If there's anybody I'd listen to, it'd be Sparky or someone else directly involved with nuclear power engineering. TVDOC has some decent credentials, too.

Right here PROVES that he is not a real, true scientist (or has been bought off):
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Kaku has publicly stated his concerns over matters including the human cause of global warming, nuclear armament, nuclear power and the general misuse of science.[6] He was critical of the Cassini-Huygens space probe because of the 72 pounds of plutonium contained in the craft for use by its radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Conscious of the possibility of casualties if the probe's fuel were dispersed into the environment during a malfunction and crash as the probe was making a 'sling-shot' maneuver around earth, Kaku publicly criticized NASA's risk assessment.[

Source= Wiki

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 09:48:53 PM »
Isn't Michio Kaku a physicist?? WTF would HE know about nuclear power (more than the rest of us) ?? Upon reading the Wiki entries about him, he has NO training in Nuclear Power. NONE.  If there's anybody I'd listen to, it'd be Sparky or someone else directly involved with nuclear power engineering. TVDOC has some decent credentials, too.

Right here PROVES that he is not a real, true scientist (or has been bought off):
Source= Wiki

IOW, he's a f'n over-educated idiot.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 06:28:52 AM »
The last people I would listen to would be anyone with out a PHD in the nuclear field and even when I do they all disagree with each other.

Really, The most educated people admit that when the chips are down they have no idea what to do. They make educated guesses and actually experiment to see what works or wont in each case but they are riding on the tail or what they thought was a tame Tiger.

Human arrogance's and the belief that we can controll the powers that we still don't understand----A wake up call that we must have these nuckie plants but must take above and beyond the precautions we have so far, we have to realise we do not turn our back on or think we are in controll of a science that is so very young and and still open to debate on how it works.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011, 11:48:35 AM »
The last people I would listen to would be anyone with out a PHD in the nuclear field and even when I do they all disagree with each other.

I suppose you'd rather listen to some "talking head", or politician that has no knowledge of the  processes involved??  The only time disagreement occurs among scientists regarding nuclear power is when academics impress political and ideological beliefs onto the science.  The "fathers" of nuclear Physics, Einstein, Fermi, and the members of the Manhattan Project were all pretty much committed leftists, arguably even communists.......however they didn't allow their political ideology color their work.

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Really, The most educated people admit that when the chips are down they have no idea what to do. They make educated guesses and actually experiment to see what works or wont in each case but they are riding on the tail or what they thought was a tame Tiger.

Horseshit.........Vesta I have a PhD in Physics and undergrad degrees in engineering and math......perhaps that makes me much more pragmatic than some, but in my 40 year working life I never relied on one "educated guess".......science is all about provable and repeatable results........not guesses.

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Human arrogance's and the belief that we can controll the powers that we still don't understand----A wake up call that we must have these nuckie plants but must take above and beyond the precautions we have so far, we have to realise we do not turn our back on or think we are in controll of a science that is so very young and and still open to debate on how it works.

Vesta.....there is virtually nothing that is not understood about nuclear reactors......they have been in operation for nearly seventy years.  Granted it is a technology that contains inherent risks, as all technologies do.  Management of risk is the engineer's job, and the present state-of-the-art in nuclear power plants is really far safer than many "conventional" mass power sources.

The only difference is the vast and unending ignorance of the masses regarding its use.  Compounded by a "media" that thrives on sensationalizing anything that will increase their viewership......regardless of how irresponsible their actions might be.

I started this thread to provide some factual information on the situation at Fukushima.......no more, and no less.  If you wish to "run around in circles crying about the sky falling"......I'd appreciate it if you started your own thread.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 11:58:54 AM »
Today's update:

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UPDATE AS OF 11:20 A.M. EDT, FRIDAY, MARCH 18:

Reactors 1, 2 and 3 at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant are in stable condition, with workers continuing to provide seawater cooling into the reactors. Containment integrity is believed to be intact on reactors 1, 2 and 3, and containment building pressures are elevated but are within design limits.

Site radiation doses have been decreasing since March 16. Radiation dose rates are fluctuating based on some of the relief operations, such as adding cooling water to the used fuel pools. Recent readings at the plant boundary are about 2 millirem per hour. Radiation dose rates at reactor 3 range between 2,500 and 5,000 millirem per hour.

The Japanese Self-Defense Force restarted cooling water spray into the Unit 3 reactor building and spent fuel pool at around 1 a.m. EDT on March 18. Plans are to spray 50 tons of water on the reactor 3 reactor building/spent fuel pool using seven fire-fighting trucks.

A diesel generator is supplying power to reactors 5 and 6. TEPCO is installing high voltage cables from a nearby transmission line to reactors 1 and 2. Once electricity supply is re-established, priority will be given to restoring power to reactor heat removal systems and cooling water pumps. Workers are seeking to install electrical cables to reactors 3 and 4 components in about two days.

Fukushima Daini

All four reactors at Fukushima Daini remain shut down with normal cooling being maintained using residual heat removal systems.


Footnote:  Reactor #4 at ****ushima Daiichi has not been mentioned in this or preceeding reports, as it was in "cold shutdown mode" prior to the earthquake, therefore only residual cooling for this reactor is required.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2011, 12:08:13 PM »
Thank you for providing these Doc. 
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 12:12:36 PM »
But, but, but Shepard Smith says we don't know if the pumps will work at all... WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!








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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 12:36:31 PM »
I suppose you'd rather listen to some "talking head", or politician that has no knowledge of the  processes involved??  The only time disagreement occurs among scientists regarding nuclear power is when academics impress political and ideological beliefs onto the science.  The "fathers" of nuclear Physics, Einstein, Fermi, and the members of the Manhattan Project were all pretty much committed leftists, arguably even communists.......however they didn't allow their political ideology color their work.

Horseshit.........Vesta I have a PhD in Physics and undergrad degrees in engineering and math......perhaps that makes me much more pragmatic than some, but in my 40 year working life I never relied on one "educated guess".......science is all about provable and repeatable results........not guesses.

Vesta.....there is virtually nothing that is not understood about nuclear reactors......they have been in operation for nearly seventy years.  Granted it is a technology that contains inherent risks, as all technologies do.  Management of risk is the engineer's job, and the present state-of-the-art in nuclear power plants is really far safer than many "conventional" mass power sources.

The only difference is the vast and unending ignorance of the masses regarding its use.  Compounded by a "media" that thrives on sensationalizing anything that will increase their viewership......regardless of how irresponsible their actions might be.

I started this thread to provide some factual information on the situation at Fukushima.......no more, and no less.  If you wish to "run around in circles crying about the sky falling"......I'd appreciate it if you started your own thread.

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Horseshit.........Vesta I have a PhD in Physics and undergrad degrees in engineering and math......perhaps that makes me much more pragmatic than some, but in my 40 year working life I never relied on one "educated guess".......science is all about provable and repeatable results........not guesses.

Vesta.....there is virtually nothing that is not understood about nuclear reactors......they have been in operation for nearly seventy years.  Granted it is a technology that contains inherent risks, as all technologies do.  Management of risk is the engineer's job, and the present state-of-the-art in nuclear power plants is really far safer than many "conventional" mass power sources.

OK Doc, you know how nuclear power works under the IDEAL circumstances, ,But what do you know about the unexpected or totally implausible things that come up.     Who ,what have thought an earthquake , And a Tsunami would occur at the same time, who would think that all back up would fail at the same time.
Why are the plants not shielded 10 times over what is considered normal circomstances ?

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 01:01:09 PM »
Sorry I got booted before i could finish.

We need this technology for our lives at this time, but as so little is known why do we not spend the extra money to insure we can can keep the beast enclosed.??

We if we need this beast cannot continue to have it under minimun standards, we have to pony up and see that the beast is confined by not maximum standards by by ultra standards.

This shit can destroy us if as we have seen an simple act of nature comes our way.   When a plant is built and the cost is a billion or more , triple that cost to insure safety.  Sorry if the cost is too high but if one wants to use a hair drier , heat their home or have electriciety----that is what the public demands.

You who are a generation before me have believed you have harnessed the beast,  yet you keep the beast in wire cages due to money that that cannot or will not find a way to inclose it.----No problem except for Chinabole and that will not happen again.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 01:59:29 PM »
Vesta......9.0 earthquake ring a bell?  Tsunami?

Earthquake magnitudes:

6.0–6.9 Strong Can be destructive in areas up to about 160 kilometres (100 mi) across in populated areas. 120 per year
7.0–7.9 Major Can cause serious damage over larger areas. 18 per year
8.0–8.9 Great Can cause serious damage in areas several hundred kilometres across. 1 per year
9.0–9.9 Devastating in areas several thousand kilometres across. 1 per 20 years


equivilant in explosive impact

8.1 21.2 megatons 89.1 PJ Guam earthquake, August 8, 1993[12]
8.22 (exactly) 50 megatons 210 PJ Tsar Bomba - Largest thermonuclear weapon ever tested
8.5 167.7 megatons 704.4 PJ Toba eruption 75,000 years ago; among the largest known volcanic events.[13]
8.7 278.0 megatons 1.2 EJ Eruption of Krakatoa (Indonesia), 1883
9.0 474 megatons 2.0 EJ Lisbon earthquake (Portugal), All Saints Day, 1755
Japan earthquake, 2011

It does not matter what "safeguards" you have in place, past a mag 8.5 all bets are off.
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 02:33:07 PM »
Fukushima Event downgraded;

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Daiichi Accident Rated 5 on International Event Scale

New International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES) ratings have been issued for the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi and Daini nuclear power plants, the International Atomic Energy Agency said.

Reactor core damage at the Daiichi reactors 2 and 3 caused by a loss of cooling function has resulted in a rating of 5 on the seven-point scale.

The loss of cooling and water supply functions in the spent fuel pool of reactor 4 was rated a 3, or “serious” incident. The loss of cooling functions in the reactors 1, 2 and 4 of the Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant has led to a rating of 3.

The rating for the Chernobyl accident was 7, or a “major accident” on the INES scale. The Three Mile Island accident was 5, or an “accident with wider consequences.” For more information on INES, see the IAEA’s website and this IAEA leaflet.

INES Event rating is now the same as Three Mile Island.......

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 04:11:43 PM »
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INES Event rating is now the same as Three Mile Island.......



Three Mile was a non-event, so I feel a little better..........

Still waiting to hear how getting the power to the plants is comming along.
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2011, 05:14:54 PM »
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2011, 07:37:15 PM »
I suppose you'd rather listen to some "talking head", or politician that has no knowledge of the  processes involved??  The only time disagreement occurs among scientists regarding nuclear power is when academics impress political and ideological beliefs onto the science.  The "fathers" of nuclear Physics, Einstein, Fermi, and the members of the Manhattan Project were all pretty much committed leftists, arguably even communists.......however they didn't allow their political ideology color their work.

Horseshit.........Vesta I have a PhD in Physics and undergrad degrees in engineering and math......perhaps that makes me much more pragmatic than some, but in my 40 year working life I never relied on one "educated guess".......science is all about provable and repeatable results........not guesses.

Vesta.....there is virtually nothing that is not understood about nuclear reactors......they have been in operation for nearly seventy years.  Granted it is a technology that contains inherent risks, as all technologies do.  Management of risk is the engineer's job, and the present state-of-the-art in nuclear power plants is really far safer than many "conventional" mass power sources.

The only difference is the vast and unending ignorance of the masses regarding its use.  Compounded by a "media" that thrives on sensationalizing anything that will increase their viewership......regardless of how irresponsible their actions might be.

I started this thread to provide some factual information on the situation at Fukushima.......no more, and no less.  If you wish to "run around in circles crying about the sky falling"......I'd appreciate it if you started your own thread.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2011, 07:45:14 PM »


Three Mile was a non-event, so I feel a little better..........

Still waiting to hear how getting the power to the plants is comming along.

The biggest problem is getting to the plant.  Once they get a generator and cabling there, it's not that hard to tie it into the major safety-related busses.
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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2011, 05:52:31 AM »
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Sorry DOC, but I Remember the government propaganda from the late 1950-early 1960 that was on TV and shown in our class rooms at school.

These films were so inaccurate that a couple of my classmates fathers that worked with radiation went to the school and convinced the school authority's to change their policy's for the once a month drop under the desk in case of attack.

First they changed the under the desk drill in classrooms with windows to sending us into the halls and drop to our knees facing a sturdy wall, hands over our heads in the position one is to take on an airplane when trouble comes about,   crash position.

The film that caused my dad to laugh out loud was the one about how radiation would effect people, they showed pictures of what the signs of poisoning such as face and body rashes, loss of hair, the kicker was the assurance that this would pass and not to worry about an issue of VANITY.

Doc, so much was going on way back then, it had only been some 15 years or so since Japan surrendered due to this new Super Bomb. Most of us kids were not even born then but our parents had seen the news reels at the movies and in most cases fought in that war.

Being that we now took that awesome power and had installed it in the NAUTILAS Submarine was a marval of the ages for our grand parents and living great grand parents.------Our world as we knew it changed the lives of every man, woman and child on the face of our tiny little world.

With the lightning speed of a thunder bolt, technology came at us, Yet still after all this time we are still trying to figure out how to dispose of the used rods in a reactor, where to put it. Disposal of the waste is mostly on site for our reactors, people speak of half life that may be 500 years in some cases. Cobalt and Plutonium, isotopes, what country was building their own reactors building their own Nuclear submarines.

As we in my generation aged we now could look back on all the Bull Shit we had been fed, the misinformation our parents had believed and our teachers had taught us as they were so misinformed themselves.

My generation went on to either tune in-drop out or in my case to marry into the Nuclear Navy and for us woman whose husbands worked  riding  the boats for months at a time, what bits and pieces of knowledge came to us on radiation or the concept of nuclear power had to come from them and listening to the MAN talk with their  crew mates.

Only because those of us that had generations of family building the boats really took notice of what was going on day to day.   People in Michigan, Nevada or Texas had no idea about what a nuclear plant being built in their area except the power was beneficial to them.

At my doddering age I can understand the fear of the people on the west coast, I understand why so many do not trust either the Japanese government or the USA to give us the facts, our governments do not trust us with bad news, they to survive have to lull us with promisses that can not be met.

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Re: Latest Status of Fukushima Nuclear Plant (UPDATED March 18, 2011)
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2011, 08:42:10 AM »


Only because those of us that had generations of family building the boats really took notice of what was going on day to day.   People in Michigan, Nevada or Texas had no idea about what a nuclear plant being built in their area except the power was beneficial to them.


Bullshit, Vesta. Many of us people from middle America knew quite a bit about nuclear power & "The Bomb". Perhaps it's because there WERE quite a few USAF Bases around??  Ya know, **** you, you biased idiot!! OBTW...... where did most of the experimentation with "The Bomb" happen??  Do you know?? Do you happen to remember?? Just to refresh your mind, it was in New Mexico.....
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