December 21, 2012: The end of the world

[Full-Auto]

the mayans say so, and so does the planetary alignment wing of the comet watching crowd.  and the magnetic poles will flip, and dogs and cats will live together, and the seahawks will win a superbowl.

seriously, this is a good bit more interesting than I made it out to be.

December 21, 2012

Too late, the end times are already upon us.

[Chris_]

The real fun begins after 2012 when all the doomsday believers have to come up with excuses to explain why doomsday did not come.

I remember my next door neighbor, a Jehova's Witness, getting married in the 70's.  She was giving her wedding gown and similar assorted stuff to charity. When my Mom asked "don't you want to save that for your daughter someday?"  the neighbor replied "the world will end in 1984 so it doesn't matter."

I have no idea what she said in 1985, much less what she told her daughter (which I know she had).

how about, "I want my f*cking wedding dress back"? :-)

LOL!!

[Chris_]

Your second mistake is assuming that climate and weather are the same thing. As I have pointed out many times, weather and climate are not the same thing. Weather is much more chaotic than climate and as such is much more difficult to predict than climate. 

"Climate" study is, what, 25 years old? -- just 7 or 8 years older than you.  And it has yet to make any useful predictions -- note I said "useful."  The climate models don't backtrack well.

If and when it matures as anything beyond a self-fulfilling source of funds and boondoggles, get back to us.

Oh, and would you like to tell me what your climatologists do about a source of 2,000 TONS of pollutants generated every day?  That is more than a large city.  Wanna guess wwhere it comes from?

[The Night Owl]

"Climate" study is, what, 25 years old? -- just 7 or 8 years older than you.  And it has yet to make any useful predictions -- note I said "useful."  The climate models don't backtrack well.

What are you talking about? If you look at the graph I posted, you can see that climate models backtrack really well and have so far held up year after year.

[Duke Nukum]

"Climate" study is, what, 25 years old? -- just 7 or 8 years older than you.  And it has yet to make any useful predictions -- note I said "useful."  The climate models don't backtrack well.

What are you talking about? If you look at the graph I posted, you can see that climate models backtrack really well and have so far held up year after year.

A graph is only as good as the cooked data used to create it.

[Lord Undies]

Since the earth is clearly not warming, and since it has already been necessary for the weather propagandist to change the label from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", could "Igloo Gases" be far behind? 

[Duke Nukum]

Since the earth is clearly not warming, and since it has already been necessary for the weather propagandist to change the label from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", could "Igloo Gases" be far behind? 

Prior to Global Warming(TM) it was called Runaway Greenhouse Effect but they felt it wasn't scary enough.

I think it should be renamed to the Terrify You Into Giving Up Your Tax Money In Large Quantities Effect.

[The Night Owl]

Since the earth is clearly not warming, and since it has already been necessary for the weather propagandist to change the label from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", could "Igloo Gases" be far behind? 

LOL! Even the scientists who dispute the idea that mankind is the primary cause of global warming acknowledge that the climate is getting warmer.

[The Night Owl]

A graph is only as good as the cooked data used to create it.

You're right. It's a conspiracy! Everybody run around in circles.

[Lord Undies]

Since the earth is clearly not warming, and since it has already been necessary for the weather propagandist to change the label from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", could "Igloo Gases" be far behind? 

Prior to Global Warming(TM) it was called Runaway Greenhouse Effect but they felt it wasn't scary enough.

I think it should be renamed to the Terrify You Into Giving Up Your Tax Money In Large Quantities Effect.

How about the Lie And Cajole And Badger And Fool As Many People As Possible In Order To Make The United States Surrender Its Sovereignty So We Can Make It A Second Class Country So Socialism Will Look Better And The Citizens Of The USA Will Share The Misery We Want To Create Effect

[Duke Nukum]

Since the earth is clearly not warming, and since it has already been necessary for the weather propagandist to change the label from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", could "Igloo Gases" be far behind? 

Prior to Global Warming(TM) it was called Runaway Greenhouse Effect but they felt it wasn't scary enough.

I think it should be renamed to the Terrify You Into Giving Up Your Tax Money In Large Quantities Effect.

How about the Lie And Cajole And Badger And Fool As Many People As Possible In Order To Make The United States Surrender Its Sovereignty So We Can Make It A Second Class Country So Socialism Will Look Better And The Citizens Of The USA Will Share The Misery We Want To Create Effect

Even more accurate.

[Duke Nukum]

A graph is only as good as the cooked data used to create it.

You're right. It's a conspiracy! Everybody run around in circles.

Then why don't you go into detail and tell us about the data that went into creating that graph.

[The Night Owl]

It's a conspiracy!

Fixed.

[Chris_]

A graph is only as good as the cooked data used to create it.

You're right. It's a conspiracy! Everybody run around in circles.

Then why don't you go into detail and tell us about the data that went into creating that graph.

First, draw your lines, then plot your points.

[The Night Owl]

Then why don't you go into detail and tell us about the data that went into creating that graph.

About climate reconstruction...

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/068.htm

[Duke Nukum]

Then why don't you go into detail and tell us about the data that went into creating that graph.

About climate reconstruction...

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/068.htm

No, I want you to explain it in your own words.  Tell me what the chart means. 

[Lord Undies]

Do you know why every thinking intelligent person knows the "Global Warming" schlock is an anti-American, anti-humanity (bullshit) ploy?  Because LIBERALS WANT YOU AND I TO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.  Liberals are NEVER honest about anything and the LAST item on their agenda is saving the world.  

[Lauri]

I was listening to a scientist on Glenn Beck today...

Listening the Glenn Beck show was your first mistake. 

...stating that they have no computer models which give them accurate weather conditions *right now* nor do they have computer models or ways to know what weather will be like 50 years from now. He said the past 9 years had been unbelievably stable, weather wise, as compared to decades before.

To that end, try this little experiment. Find your local weather page and check it every few hours. Watch how it changes. Our local news station has already changed the icons on their weather page over four times this morning alone. I am watching it more today cause my husband is flying out at noon, so I'm curious. Over the weekend they were forecasting sun for today and tommorow. Now its raining (outside and on their website) ...

Your second mistake is assuming that climate and weather are the same thing. As I have pointed out many times, weather and climate are not the same thing. Weather is much more chaotic than climate and as such is much more difficult to predict than climate. 

first of all, who cares what talk show the scientist was on? he's correct in that NOBODY can predict or use computer models to predict climate OR weather issues day in day out, or years into the future.

[DumbAss Tanker]

It will be interesting to see where things are in 10 and 20 years.  If the spike drops off, there are going to be a lot of sheepish looks.  Well, the renewable energy/reduce foreign oil dependence part of it is a net plus either way, at least.

[Lauri]

Then why don't you go into detail and tell us about the data that went into creating that graph.

About climate reconstruction...

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/068.htm

how many millions of years does that graph go back? 

[Ptarmigan]

December 21, 2012 is doomsday for all lagomorphs. There is a hidden code in the Bible that says all lagomorphs will face God's wrath.

[Duke Nukum]

December 21, 2012 is doomsday for all lagomorphs. There is a hidden code in the Bible that says all lagomorphs will face God's wrath.

Are you sure about that?  I heard it was doomsday because the lagomorphs, or actually lagomorph skeletons, live in the Galactic Core and when the sun and earth align with GC, then that will create a bridge to our world and the Ancient Ones, eg, the Lagomorphs, will cross the bridge and invade our world.

Allegedly, there are 13 crystal lagomorph skulls hidden around the world and they will be brought together just prior to 12-21-2012 to give their final prophecy to mankind and that is: Humans are rabbit food.  Or rabbit skeleton food.

In fact, the newest Indiana Jones movie is supposed to be a reference to this but in typical Hollywood fashion they changed to a human crystal skull so as not to panic us hoi polloi.

I don't actually tend to believe this prophesy because it seems pretty fear based to me and much like AGW, I have found almost everything that is fear based is either a lie or an illusion.

But I thought I'd pass this on for the entertainment value.  But I'm sure we'll all be laughing lots as killer lagomorph skulls from Galactic Core munch on us.

Here's one of the Ancient Rabbit Skulls of Prophecy:

[Duke Nukum]

I was listening to a scientist on Glenn Beck today...

Listening the Glenn Beck show was your first mistake. 

...stating that they have no computer models which give them accurate weather conditions *right now* nor do they have computer models or ways to know what weather will be like 50 years from now. He said the past 9 years had been unbelievably stable, weather wise, as compared to decades before.

To that end, try this little experiment. Find your local weather page and check it every few hours. Watch how it changes. Our local news station has already changed the icons on their weather page over four times this morning alone. I am watching it more today cause my husband is flying out at noon, so I'm curious. Over the weekend they were forecasting sun for today and tommorow. Now its raining (outside and on their website) ...

Your second mistake is assuming that climate and weather are the same thing. As I have pointed out many times, weather and climate are not the same thing. Weather is much more chaotic than climate and as such is much more difficult to predict than climate. 

first of all, who cares what talk show the scientist was on? he's correct in that NOBODY can predict or use computer models to predict climate OR weather issues day in day out, or years into the future.

I was kind of wondering about his comment.  If climatology is so good at predicting the far off future, how come they weren't predicting 1998 as the hottest year on record in 1978 when all the liberal news media was trying to scare us with The New Ice Age?

I actually found a quote from the guy who came up with the Hockey Stick Graph saying the only thing harder to predict than the climate is politicians when asked if the US would eventually sign Kyoto.

[Atomic Lib Smasher]

People have been shouting from the rooftops the end of the world since YK1. Now that we have these eco-nuts everywhere predicting the end of the oceans, fish life, the ice caps and glaciers, etc... and they've been doing that since the early 1970's and they always say "10 years from now, blah, blah, blah" and nothing changes, yet dumbasses drink the Kool-Aid from the Doomsday NostraDUmbasses even though science and facts and history says different.

[The Night Owl]

No, I want you to explain it in your own words.  Tell me what the chart means. 

The graph compares two temperature reconstructions spanning many centuries against instrument data from the past century. The two plots match up really well.

Let me know if you need anything else.