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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2009, 01:10:19 PM »
Tell me about your experience with morphine. My son had it when his knee was dislocated. As you know, he has autism and in all honesty, the morphine seemed to give him clarity of mind.
Mostly it made me tired but coming off of it was the worse.

It was a combination of lethargy and agitation. All my limbs felt heavy as if I was tied to the bed. I could barely pick myself up BUT I was hyper agitated like I had drunk 20 double espressos.

Then the nightmares would come.

The first one wasn't so bad. I dreamt I came home and found 2 mafia toughs in my house. I chased them out into the street, caught one and proceeded to heel stomp him. I remember being rather surprised at my degree of ruthlessness but that was about it.

The 2nd trip to the hospital and attending withdrawals was the worse. I dreamt I was tied to a chair with my hands behind my back and my ankles ties to the legs. I was in a room total bare and my wife was lying dead in the distant corner. Right in front of me was the killer, straddling my son--who was 2 y/o at the time--hacking pieces out of his face with a butcher's knife.

I woke-up in tears and it took a long time not to tear-up whenever I thought about it.

The 3rd time I went to the hospital the ulcer/pancratitis was so bad I had a spastic colon and bleeding from areas that shouldn't bleed but I refused all opiates. Ditto when I jacked-up my shoulder last year (although toradol is some goo-o-o-ood shit).

If medical marijuana was as strictly regulated as Morphine was, then I'd be more about supporting it.  But in a lot of places it's so damn easy to get, it might as well be OTC.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2009, 01:25:22 PM »
Mostly it made me tired but coming off of it was the worse.

It was a combination of lethargy and agitation. All my limbs felt heavy as if I was tied to the bed. I could barely pick myself up BUT I was hyper agitated like I had drunk 20 double espressos.

Then the nightmares would come.

The first one wasn't so bad. I dreamt I came home and found 2 mafia toughs in my house. I chased them out into the street, caught one and proceeded to heel stomp him. I remember being rather surprised at my degree of ruthlessness but that was about it.

The 2nd trip to the hospital and attending withdrawals was the worse. I dreamt I was tied to a chair with my hands behind my back and my ankles ties to the legs. I was in a room total bare and my wife was lying dead in the distant corner. Right in front of me was the killer, straddling my son--who was 2 y/o at the time--hacking pieces out of his face with a butcher's knife.

I woke-up in tears and it took a long time not to tear-up whenever I thought about it.

The 3rd time I went to the hospital the ulcer/pancratitis was so bad I had a spastic colon and bleeding from areas that shouldn't bleed but I refused all opiates. Ditto when I jacked-up my shoulder last year (although toradol is some goo-o-o-ood shit).

No arguments here.


Snuggs....your nightmares sound like mine if I take Valium. They are soooo real and intensely frightening.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2009, 01:27:58 PM »
Crap, Morphine and Valium?  I get those on Hydrocodone.  No thanks, one time was enough for me.  7 years ago, and I remember those dreams like yesterday.  I don't even remember yesterday that well. 
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2009, 01:32:41 PM »
Crap, Morphine and Valium?  I get those on Hydrocodone.  No thanks, one time was enough for me.  7 years ago, and I remember those dreams like yesterday.  I don't even remember yesterday that well. 

I've never had hydrocodone as I'm allergic to codeine. That eliminates a lot of drugs.

If I have surgery, I get demerol mixed with something to keep me from vomiting, then switch as soon as possible to motrin.

I had a GYN give me Valium when I was in my early 20's for wicked awful cramps......as according to him....they were all in my head.  :censored: Back in those days...Valium was handed out as easily has cough drops.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2009, 04:31:08 PM »
Your assumption that the child was smoking the marijuana leads me to question your knowledge on the subject.

Thousands of FDA regulated (not tested by) drugs are "unsafe" if misused, misprescribed or a myriad of other potential situations.  

Marijuana is being legally prescribed by physicians in states that allow it.  And it has been tested to prove its benefits and other attributes (which by the way, make it much safer than many drugs prescribed to children for ADD/ADHD, autism and various emotional & physical disorders and conditions.

So you advocate giving 9 year old children marijuana?

Alot of things in this world are unsafe if they are misused, but I have yet to see any proof that pot is safe for children.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2009, 04:34:24 PM »
So you advocate giving 9 year old children marijuana?

Alot of things in this world are unsafe if they are misused, but I have yet to see any proof that pot is safe for children.

Is there really enough evidence that the drugs given children are safe in the long term? How many medicines from years ago have been found to be harmful to people or even to cause problems for offspring?

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2009, 04:37:10 PM »
I don't have any problems with this at all.  If something works then it works.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 04:39:58 PM »



At the time my child was in elementary school in the 80's-90's, TN had the highest percentage of kids on ADHD drugs in the country, and my county had the highest percentage of children on them in the state.




Gov't run public schools do alot of crazy things & teachers are always suggesting to parents that the kids need medication. I'm not sure where the teachers rec'd their license to practice medicine. There are also alot of lazy parents out there that use the drugs to replace their own interaction with the children, it sucks for the kids.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2009, 04:49:03 PM »
Gov't run public schools do alot of crazy things & teachers are always suggesting to parents that the kids need medication. I'm not sure where the teachers rec'd their license to practice medicine. There are also alot of lazy parents out there that use the drugs to replace their own interaction with the children, it sucks for the kids.



It used to be ....the school psychologist says your kid is ADD/ADHD and that was it. We PAID a private psychologist who told us the same thing. Managed to make a pretty good annuity out of it too....my kid was in his office once a week for several years.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 09:02:46 PM »
Is there really enough evidence that the drugs given children are safe in the long term? How many medicines from years ago have been found to be harmful to people or even to cause problems for offspring?

From what we already know about pot, I don't think it's a good idea to give to children. It's more then just a plant. Some studies show that it can delay puberty in children & other defects. Of course, advocates of marijuana say that delaying puberty could help "gender confused" children!  :thatsright:

I'm sure 90% of DU would disagree with me.




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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 09:10:37 PM »
Legalize pot and tax it like tobacco products.

It is less harmful than tobacco or alcohol, which are both legal.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 09:13:55 PM »
I have more faith in the FDA then I do in pot advocates.

It's never a good idea to give a 9 year old an illegal drug. The parents should be locked up.

What unsafe FDA tested drugs are still on the market?

I don't fully trust any federal agency including the FDA.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2009, 11:46:30 PM »
Yeah, banning marijuana from being used for legitimate medical purposes is asinine. Marijuana has also showed promise in treating Alzheimer's, in far greater effectiveness than other medicines we have right now.

All because of some fear of... what, exactly? That medical use would lead to recreational use and then we'd have stoners everywhere wreaking havoc on our convenience stores' supply of doritos?

There is like 600 chemicals in there, one might be good for you, the others might as well be rocket fuel.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2009, 08:24:12 AM »
So you advocate giving 9 year old children marijuana?

Alot of things in this world are unsafe if they are misused, but I have yet to see any proof that pot is safe for children.

I don't advocate medicating children at all.  However, this is not my child who is being treated (in the article).  This child's parent has made the decision as is her right to do.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2009, 03:21:19 PM »
Even if it's against the law?

No.  But it is legal in some states.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2009, 03:22:22 PM »
No.  But it is legal in some states.

But the overriding FEDERAL law makes it illegal in all 50 states.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2009, 03:29:26 PM »
From page 2 of the article:

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There’s a twist to the happy marijuana story, though. While the cannabis has eased J.’s most overwhelming problem, his autism has become more distinct. As the school data show, his aggressive behavior is far less frequent, but his outbursts—vocalizations that include screams, barking, yips of happiness—remain

Poor kid, but his parents are happy that he eats tofu soup.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2009, 03:30:25 PM »
But the overriding FEDERAL law makes it illegal in all 50 states.

Yup.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2009, 11:37:59 PM »
Your assumption that the child was smoking the marijuana leads me to question your knowledge on the subject.



From Part I of the article:

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For most adults, the vaporizer is the delivery method of choice, as it allows the patient to feel the effects immediately and adjust the dose precisely. J gamely put his mouth on the valve and let us squeeze a little smoke into him. It shot right back out his nose. He looked like Puff the Magic Dragon.

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The grower visited us again to give J another try at the bong, with little success.

http://www.doublex.com/section/health-science/why-i-give-my-9-year-old-pot?page=0,1

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2009, 08:15:16 AM »
But the overriding FEDERAL law makes it illegal in all 50 states.

...and as a bonus, it also ignores the 9th & 10th Amendments! 
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2009, 08:16:31 AM »
From Part I of the article:

http://www.doublex.com/section/health-science/why-i-give-my-9-year-old-pot?page=0,1

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My bad.  I would have hoped they didn't have the child smoke it.  It's completely unnecessary and contradictory to their efforts to improve the child's health.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2009, 08:27:53 AM »
...and as a bonus, it also ignores the 9th & 10th Amendments! 

Liberals have never obeyed the 10th amendment. They don't like any of the Bill of Rights.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2009, 08:42:22 AM »
My bad.  I would have hoped they didn't have the child smoke it.  It's completely unnecessary and contradictory to their efforts to improve the child's health.

Upon reading the entire article through (which I admit I should have done to begin with), it's clear the child only inhaled smoke once.  They use tea as his delivery method.
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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2009, 09:13:04 AM »
I have to go with the "if it works it works" view on this.

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Re: Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2009, 09:26:47 AM »
Liberals have never obeyed the 10th amendment. They don't like any of the Bill of Rights.



The 10th amendment has been routinely ignored since the days of John Marshall, Chief Justice of SCOTUS. Politicians on both sides of the political spectrum have completely caved in to the idea that the federal government must be the be-all, end-all.

The individual states have been relegated to the back pages of history, for all intents and purposes.
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