Figures. Feds Didn't Clear Brush In LA Wildfire Areas Because Of Liberal Pressu

[bijou]

The wonderful thing here is that it's not just a story of glazed-eyed government incompetence breaking at the same time that the Obama administration is trying to nationalize 15% of the US economy. It's that the incompetence has its source in interest groups who issue diktats according to whatever the prevailing liberal pseudo-sophistication happens to be. 30 years ago it was preservation, then we decided that nature should always be allowed to take its course, then we decided we had to plant trees everywhere to enrich the atmosphere - opps! - and now we've got some kind of non-interventionist hodgepodge.

The upshot being that if you think this is bad, wait until panels of doctors and bureaucrats get to make calculations - and set premiums - based on which social groups they think are responsible for unreasonable costs. The public "blame the smokers no blame the drinkers no blame people who drive too much" populism is going to be exciting enough.

But when well-heeled Blue State bureaucrats start making decisions based on a combination of non-replicated studies, shrill urban hand-wringing, and a sensibility about healthy living derived mostly from the Barnes and Noble "Personal Enrichment" shelf - that's when things get really awesome. If someone in San Francisco has made a serious effort to ban or regulate something you enjoy consuming, bummer.

Anyway, yeah: ...

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[Thor]

That's been a known problem  for a LONG while. The Eco-Nazis (usually hard core Leftists) have gotten laws passed the prohibit homeowners from clearing scrub brush and plant debris from their properties. This is a major cause of the extensive damage that these fires do. Common sense left California a long while ago.

[Wineslob]

That's been a known problem  for a LONG while. The Eco-Nazis (usually hard core Leftists) have gotten laws passed the prohibit homeowners from clearing scrub brush and plant debris from their properties. This is a major cause of the extensive damage that these fires do. Common sense left California a long while ago.

The biggest issue is that the EcoNazi's are compounding a problem that humans started 100+ years ago. We thought (think) that THERE CAN BE NO FIRES, and set about with CDF, the Forrest Service, etc, managing our forrests. The natural order of things, other than man-made fires, is that..........the forrests burn, every year. But, before the interference of humans, they were low level grass fires that essentially cleaned the floor of the forrest(s) of debris.
We, in our infinite wisdom, have stopped that. Now the forrests have an overabundance of under growth. The normal cycle of under growth burning from natural causes has been broken, and we are paying the price.

[thundley4]

The biggest issue is that the EcoNazi's are compounding a problem that humans started 100+ years ago. We thought (think) that THERE CAN BE NO FIRES, and set about with CDF, the Forrest Service, etc, managing our forrests. The natural order of things, other than man-made fires, is that..........the forrests burn, every year. But, before the interference of humans, they were low level grass fires that essentially cleaned the floor of the forrest(s) of debris.
We, in our infinite wisdom, have stopped that. Now the forrests have an overabundance of under growth. The normal cycle of under growth burning from natural causes has been broken, and we are paying the price.

Yep, and it's that undergrowth that provides the heat of the fire to continue spreading at fast rates.  The environuts won't even allow limited logging to create fire breaks where they are needed.

[NHSparky]

And yet there was a talking head libtard on O'Reilly last night (Laura Inghram subbing) who kept swearing up and down global warming was to blame.

Uh, hon?  Wildfires in California are nothing new, and most of them are (surprise!) man-caused, either through negligence or arson.

[Wineslob]

Yep, and it's that undergrowth that provides the heat of the fire to continue spreading at fast rates.  The environuts won't even allow limited logging to create fire breaks where they are needed.

Limited or select cutting of a forrest is the best thing for it. It returns it what it should be like.

I've seen vintage (turn of the century/used for survey) pre-logging photos of forrested (Ca) areas. They looked more like parks than the tangled messes we have now.

[Wineslob]

And yet there was a talking head libtard on O'Reilly last night (Laura Inghram subbing) who kept swearing up and down global warming was to blame.

Uh, hon?  Wildfires in California are nothing new, and most of them are (surprise!) man-caused, either through negligence or arson.

It always seems that the big ones are. However you'd be surprised how many small fires that don't go anywhere are started by lightning strikes (thousands per storm). I don't think they get going because they hit a tree in it's top, whereas humans start them down in the forrest litter.

[Ptarmigan]

All these wildfires we are seeing would not be as bad because of insane policies of putting out all fires, natural or not. Forest fires are natural and keep the ecosystem healthy. If all natural fires were left to burn, we would not be seeing all these megafires. Also, those underbrushes had been there for years, yet to be burned. If they were removed, the fire would not be much of a problem.