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just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« on: May 21, 2012, 08:30:52 PM »
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just got into a verbal fight with a birther

He is a black male, about 50, served as an M.P. in the Army back in the mid-late '70s, is pretty much homeless and is sorta employed down at an automotive shop, where he sleeps at night.
He is not a stupid person and luckily slow to offend, (i know it took some doing but I DID anger him).

I thought it ok to chide him on being a republican which set the whole discussion/argument/shouting match off. I asked him if I could say a few minutes worth on why I felt that republicans were anti democracy which he agreed to listen to. I informed him that democracy requires an informed electorate, that the republicans want instead to diminish the electorate and furthermore to divide and propagandize the electorate.

He stopped me from expanding on this by pointing out that we do not have a democracy, that we instead have a republic. (Typical quote of the propagandized...democracy sounds too much like democrat for their tastes I guess).

I tried to go on with voter fraud vs election fraud and who was actually doing what...that ACORN was a a means to get the elderly and the impoverished to vote when he stopped me again and claimed that both sides were equally guilty of voter fraud. I tried to explain the difference between the two forms of fraud and who has been busted for what historically when he stopped me again to inform me that Chicago Dems were notorious for having the dead vote for Dems.

At this point I was agitated enough to ask if he could back up his assertions when he decided to change the whole discussion to his problem with President Obama-that he is not even an American! Ok so now I see that I am dealing with a birther. I think I can maybe set him straight on this....boy was I wrong.

So I ask him what evidence does he have to back up that President Obama was not born in Hawaii. He claimed that if he is asked by the police for his I-D, he shows it but the President when asked to show his longform birth certificate refused to do so. My counter to this was to ask where in the Constitution did it say that a specific document was required to be presented and to whom as a prerequisite to be POTUS. (I knew already the requirements, producing any documentation is not one of the three listed requirements).

This is where our argument stalled out. He being angry that I refused to budge in my reasoning that it was NOT listed that a potential candidate is required to prove ANYTHING, he required that the president did indeed need to provide the longform birth certificate, that the reason President Obama refused to do so was because he was born elsewhere than in America.

He was quite angry at this time and I was shaking with frustration. I even went to a webpage with my cell phone and physically showed him the three requirements. When he saw the requirement of being born an American he treated
that as proof that I was wrong....I of course pointed out that there was nowhere a fourth requirement that President Obama was required to provide ANY proof-that the burden of disproving his citizenship was squarely on those who said he was not a citizen.

I eventually left, our debate an angry shouting match, and he feeling that I was the propagandized idiot. He promised to vote for Romney because Democrats have done nothing to help him and who knows, maybe the republicans will serve him better.

Later I researched an anti birther site, (thanks to DUs antipropaganda subforum) and discovered the real reason that President Obama can not produce this longform birth certificate-it being the sole property of the records department of the hospital where he was born and not the property of the mother, father or the person born there. Not even the President of The United States can get it released! They gladly will provide a certificate of birth and by Hawaiian law they do not have to provide more than that. They don't even have to provide a photocopy of the original.

So I have access to a hardcopy of the birther debunk page which refutes my poor propagandized friend but at this point I am not sure the debate is worth pursueing. I have read studies that show that the conservative brain shuts out facts and data which conflict with their reality. I have even complained to them about their conscious ignoring of the facts but my complaints just fall on deaf ears.

I guess I've nothing further to say, outside of how angry I am at those who have so ****ed up this guy's head. This poor soul is so lost to America and our democracy....and he is legion in numbers. I suppose I now understand why the Vietnameese government decided to send much of its citizenry to mandatory deprogramming after the fiasco that we called the VietNam war. Like the Germans who were made to see those death camps, we have our section of the population who refuse to face the facts until they get forced to face them. For those poor lost souls, I am truly confounded that I know not how to help them and that just sucks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002713672

 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Best bouncy I have seen in awhile.

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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 08:39:50 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ur6d-D4zXE[/youtube]
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 08:41:12 PM »
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4. Ask him how well he did during the Republican 8 years that Bush was Emperor.

Does he want more of the same?

He doesn't seem to be doing so well under 0bama.

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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 08:41:42 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 21, 2012, 08:30:52 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002713672

 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Best bouncy I have seen in awhile.



A homeless, almost uemployed black man is smarter than an elite DUmmie.... :lmao:

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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 08:45:24 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on May 21, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
A homeless, almost uemployed black man is smarter than an elite DUmmie.... :lmao:

"We can't have that. Blacks aren't equal to elite liberals. Help me refute his argument" [DUmmie/mode]

A pet rock is smarter than the DUmmies.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2012, 08:51:58 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 21, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
A pet rock is smarter than the DUmmies.

Only if you feed it organically grown veggies.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2012, 08:52:57 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 21, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
A pet rock is smarter than the DUmmies.

DUmmies take their pet rocks to the vet to be euthanized. And then hold elaborate memorial services and beg for donations on the DUmp to have their pet rock cremated.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2012, 09:17:40 PM »
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I informed him that democracy requires an informed electorate, that the republicans want instead to diminish the electorate and furthermore to divide and propagandize the electorate.

I stopped reading at this point.  It is the DemonRats that consistently want to spread their propaganda and limit the ability of the right to speak.  It is also the left that uses race, gender and class to divide people.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 09:23:35 PM »
I know it will be elementary to some, but it might help if there was a better understanding of the term bouncy. What makes it bounce, and what let's the air out of the bouncy tire, and so on.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 09:46:56 PM »
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He was quite angry at this time and I was shaking with frustration. I even went to a webpage with my cell phone and physically showed him the three requirements. When he saw the requirement of being born an American he treated
that as proof that I was wrong....I of course pointed out that there was nowhere a fourth requirement that President Obama was required to provide ANY proof-that the burden of disproving his citizenship was squarely on those who said he was not a citizen.

I liked the bolded. I notice that the DUmmie didn't mention how many dollars 0 has spent on lawyers and stuff in order to block those who have shouldered the burden of disproving his citizenship. It's almost as if he has something to hide.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 09:55:54 PM »
If 0bama himself in his own bio material says he is a Kenyan, why should I doubt him?
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 07:34:11 AM »
Thundley, you really should read the whole thing.

DUmmie got pwned by a homeless dude.   :lmao:
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 08:07:54 AM »
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He stopped me from expanding on this by pointing out that we do not have a democracy, that we instead have a republic. (Typical quote of the propagandized...democracy sounds too much like democrat for their tastes I guess).
This was my favorite part. :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 08:09:29 AM »
I think the person is full of shit. She probably had a dream about it, or saw it on some tv show somewhere, and made it out to be real.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 08:57:57 AM »
He made the guy black as to give credibility to his bouncy.  He basically harrassed and badgered a poor homeless minority.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2012, 09:07:54 AM »
You have to be careful about arguing with idiots.  If a bystander is watching, they may not be able to tell who the idiot is.  
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2012, 11:33:19 AM »
Quote from: hillneck on May 22, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
You have to be careful about arguing with idiots.  If a bystander is watching, they may not be able to tell who the idiot is.  
The bystander shouldn't stand too close either.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2012, 03:02:20 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on May 22, 2012, 11:33:19 AM
The bystander shouldn't stand too close either.

Yeah, the liberal is likely to break a window or pull a gun on the guy.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 03:53:43 PM »
Too long and drawn out, too obviously fake, too much work put into fiction and falsehood. I can't even give it one bong.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 04:11:38 PM »
This is truely an amazing story: I went over to DU to read the entire posting, including the response threads, and they believe that this person is in trouble because of what he believes.

This is another of those situation where i wish i could sit down with this lib and ask him some of the following questions:

1) What if someone truely believed in thier heart that the best way to help this man is to get rid of Obama and all liberals? and this person believed this as strongly and as passoinately as you believe republicans are the problem. what would you say to this person.

2) What if someone said that they believe the information you researched on DU's anti propaganda site was just Obama's lies and is not proven anywhere? What would you say to this person?

I am sure this conversation is useless.... but it would be an interesting exercise


« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 04:19:23 PM by CSeeman »
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 04:16:09 PM »
Poor guy must have forgot that you don't get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 08:35:01 PM »
Quote from: AprilRazz on May 22, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
Poor guy must have forgot that you don't get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2012, 10:11:50 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on May 22, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
A sly reference to princess bride ?
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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2012, 10:40:17 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on May 22, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
A sly reference to princess bride ?
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No that is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" ;)

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Re: just got into a verbal fight with a birther
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 12:46:05 PM »
The OP is suffering from Little Man Syndrome.
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