primitives disappointed about abortion's fall from popularity

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6683449

Oh my.

madmusic (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 03:54 PM
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Abortion support falls sharply, new research finds 

The findings mark a dramatic shift in public opinion, supporters of abortion rights have outnumbered opponents for many years, with one brief exception, studies have shown.

But only 47 percent of Americans now feel abortion should be legal in all or most cases, a drop from 54 percent a year ago, according to the poll.

Meanwhile, 45 percent say it should be illegal in all or most cases. That's up from 41 percent a year ago.

Given the survey's margin of error, the two camps are statistically tied.

I've noticed not many PoP have been around Skins's island today; maybe Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus, the High Priestess of Moloch to the primitives, shows up here.

undeterred  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 03:55 PM
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1. I find this hard to believe.

What demographical groups are changing their minds about abortion?

Hello_Kitty  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 04:17 PM
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5. I'm running into more and more young people who are anti-choice

I attribute it to a) not having experience or memories of pre-Roe days, b) relentless emotionally manipulative propaganda from the anti-choice industry, and c) the fact that the past couple generation of kids have been fed a steady diet of "you're a spayshul snowflake" self-esteem pabulum. I don't know what effect this is having on the stats but I know at least half a dozen or so young DEMS who are anti-choice. When I ask them why they cite their religion and will often say something like "what if my mom had aborted MEEEEEEEE???" It's like they cannot comprehend how the world could function without their majestic presence.

That sounds like a lot of primitives, to franksolich.

REP  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 04:24 PM
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7. Poor special snowfwakes. What if their parents had abstained that night or used BC?

zOMG!! Maybe Special Snowfwake was denied the really cool sibling they really wanted!!

Can one regret one's nonexistence? Sounds like a question first-time stoners and navel-gazers would enjoy...

HelenWheels  (863 posts)      Fri Oct-02-09 04:30 PM
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8. Ditto. Hard to believe.

redqueen  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 03:56 PM
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2. "sharply"... lol, nice spin, CNN!

BlooInBloo  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 04:13 PM
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4. Uh, losing 7 points (about 1/8, 13% drop) seems pretty sharp to me.

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Fri Oct-02-09 04:12 PM
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3. "all or most cases" is bullshit.

There is a HUGE gap between 'all' and 'most'. The 'all' on the anti- side is a small number. The 'most' on the anti- side could include large numbers of pro-choice people, because it basically only excludes 'abortion on demand', and depending on those included could allow abortions for minors under a certain age, abortion with consent of the parents, abortion in cases of rape or incest, abortions up to the third trimester. The fact is, the majority of pro-choice people accept some restrictions on abortion, which can be spun as being "anti-abortion", and the the majority of anti-abortion people accept the medical necessity for abortion under certain circumstances, which can be spun as "pro-choice".

This is using weasel words to support a position.

This is an article with an agenda, spinning a poll with an agenda.

get the red out  (1000+ posts)        Fri Oct-02-09 04:20 PM
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6. Very good assessment

The media loves nothing more than sensational polls. Abortion is a complex issue and a lot of people don't see it as a yes or no question. I am pro-choice, period; but realize that many people see it differently without being what I would call completely "anti-choice". If it weren't for the extremist rw people that even want birth control banned, we could probably have a much more reasonable discussion on the issue in this country; them and the media that wants a sound bite in black and white verbiage every 30 seconds.

Absolute anti-abortion in all cases verbiage has been loosing in a lot of referendums in recent years, in even red states.

fasttense  (1000+ posts)      Fri Oct-02-09 04:40 PM
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9. The Anti-Choice and Pro-Choice numbers are tied.

The minor difference between them is statistically insignificant.

I notice the PEW is so conservative you can bet your bippy they are Anti-Choice. And their religious folks designed the survey.

""These data suggest that a number of people have changed their minds in the past year," said Gregory Smith of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, one of the survey authors."

I Don't trust their numbers or how they asked the question.

You know they wanted to see an Anti-Choice upswing and they got it.

Damn.  Ms. Ed didn't show up.

This bonfire has a lot of unrec's, in case anyone is interested.

[GOBUCKS]

the past couple generation of kids have been fed a steady diet of "you're a spayshul snowflake" self-esteem pabulum.

As I recall, this "self-esteem" horseshit was entirely an invention of the American left.

It is as stupid as its companion horseshit, the idea that it's bad to be judgmental.

Those twin barrels of horseshit have a lot to do with the state of our society.

[mamacags]

I, for one, can totally comprehend the lack of existence of most DUmmies.  I don't know why they would think that is a reason people don't support abortion.  When speaking about liberals 100% of the people I know support aborting them right now.

[crockspot]

We should be grateful that the Left are baby killers. Think how (much more) overrun with DUmmies we would be if they weren't.

[AllosaursRus]

We should be grateful that the Left are baby killers. Think how (much more) overrun with DUmmies we would be if they weren't.

To tall ya the truth, i doubt they would be lefty's, especially if they found out momma was thinkin' about puttin' them in a jar.

[JohnnyReb]

As I recall, this "self-esteem" horseshit was entirely an invention of the American left.

It is as stupid as its companion horseshit, the idea that it's bad to be judgmental.

Those twin barrels of horseshit have a lot to do with the state of our society.

Dang it. I should have read this when I first saw it. Maybe I could have beat you to the above post.

My ninth grade son fusses about all the "self esteem", don't be "judgemental", horseshit he is fed at school. False pride is all it is.

[Vagabond]

It's something the pro-abortion crowd didn't count on.   The generation after the legalization of on demand abortion would eventually have that horrible moment of realization that it could have easily been them that was snuffed out before being born.  There are cases wher aborion should be legal, rape or incest among them, even though it smacks of punishing the child for the sins of the father.  And of course cases where it was always legal, where the life of the mother is endangered.

[Lord Undies]

Society's support for the careless and carefree act of murdering unborn babies is a victim of medical and communication technology.  The mechanics and the humanity involved is no longer a mystery or debatable speculation. 

[Chris_]

It's something the pro-abortion crowd didn't count on.   The generation after the legalization of on demand abortion would eventually have that horrible moment of realization that it could have easily been them that was snuffed out before being born.  There are cases wher aborion should be legal, rape or incest among them, even though it smacks of punishing the child for the sins of the father.  And of course cases where it was always legal, where the life of the mother is endangered.

How do the circumstances of conception justify the killing of a baby?

[ColonialMarine0431]

If I shoot someone it's called murder. If a woman rips out an unborn child and flushes him, it's called pro choice. What's wrong with this picture people?

[Chris_]

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Fri Oct-02-09 04:12 PM
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3. "all or most cases" is bullshit.

There is a HUGE gap between 'all' and 'most'. The 'all' on the anti- side is a small number. The 'most' on the anti- side could include large numbers of pro-choice people, because it basically only excludes 'abortion on demand', and depending on those included could allow abortions for minors under a certain age, abortion with consent of the parents, abortion in cases of rape or incest, abortions up to the third trimester. The fact is, the majority of pro-choice people accept some restrictions on abortion, which can be spun as being "anti-abortion", and the the majority of anti-abortion people accept the medical necessity for abortion under certain circumstances, which can be spun as "pro-choice".

This is using weasel words to support a position.

This is an article with an agenda, spinning a poll with an agenda.

Using weasel words. Do you mean like saying "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion"? Do you mean like saying "fetus" or "lump of cells" instead of "unborn baby"? Do you mean like saying "aborted" instead of "murdered"?

I want someone to do a poll that asks: Do you support the killing of unborn babies?

[ColonialMarine0431]

Using weasel words. Do you mean like saying "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion"? Do you mean like saying "fetus" or "lump of cells" instead of "unborn baby"? Do you mean like saying "aborted" instead of "murdered"?

I want someone to do a poll that asks: Do you support the killing of unborn babies?

Amen. I hate that phrase "pro-choice". Any time someone uses that phrase I call them on it. I'm willing to listen to the opposition on many issues but when it comes to abortion I won't.

[Vagabond]

How do the circumstances of conception justify the killing of a baby?

They don't, and for what it matters the position has no real defense.  On the other hand, if an exception has to be made to prevent other unnecessary on demand abortions it's a deal I would make.  It doesn't make it right.