We know what conservatives are against (EVERYTHING involving humanity). So? WTF

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We know what conservatives are against (EVERYTHING involving humanity). So? WTF are they FOR?
   
I'm well aware that this has already been addressed... but have the GOP come with any health care plan other than not liking single payer or public option?

WTF do these assholes want?

We want you to leave us alone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6278922

[Celtic Rose]

Celtic Rose's Rough Outline for Health Care Reform:

1.  Tort Reform-Doctors currently have to pay 50%+ of their salary for malpractice insurance, often more for specialists such as OBGYNs.  Placing reasonable limits on damages, and eliminating punitive damages would have an immediate effect on the price of health care.  The Civil Court system should be used for compensatory damages, not punitive.  If criminal negligence occurs, then it belongs in the criminal court system.

In addition to reducing the money that must be paid to practitioners, it will also minimize costly, unnecessary, "just in case" tests.  Right now, medical practitioners cover their butts for any possible eventuality, no matter how unlikely, because if something is missed, they could be sued for malpractice, even if reasonable action was taken.

2.  Encourage healthy behavior with insurance rate reductions.  Insurance companies should be encouraged to offer variable rates depending on steps taken to improve health.  They could reduce rates for stopping smoking, avoiding drug use, weight loss, heck, avoiding STD's, and allow higher rates for people who don't change their behavior.  I absolutely don't want the government to get involved in this, but I have no problem with insurance companies minimizing their risk by offering higher premiums to people more likely to have avoidable serious health issues in the future. 

3.  Don't offer birthright citizenship to the children of those who are not legally in the country. This will prevent women from crossing the border just before they give birth so that their children can be US citizens.  Even better, deport illegal immigrants en masse, and immediately improve the profitability of hospitals in areas with large numbers of illegal immigrants.  By and large, illegal immigrants don't have health insurance, and they don't pay their hospital bills reliably.  As a result, everybody else has to pick up the tab. 

Just a few items I would look at very strongly if I were to look at health care reform.

[Carl]

We want you effing leeches to join productive society rather then take all you can from it and then try to escape in a world of mind altering drugs and hedonism.

We want our government to ensure are freedoms against enemies abroad or at home so that we can pursue a life which has rewards and setbacks..not guaranteed subsistence living.

We are for the life of the innocent and punishment and removal from society of criminals.

We are for a federal government that can take care of the basic functions of holding a nation together and letting state and local efficiently administer the necessary functions at those levels (I know that one is a joke but still can dream).

You want to be coddled and nursed with the unrealistic and infantile notion it will be bliss with all you can hope for handed to you.
We know better and don`t want to suffer the consequences that will inevitably follow any attempts for government to try that.

[Carl]

Celtic Rose's Rough Outline for Health Care Reform:

1.  Tort Reform-Doctors currently have to pay 50%+ of their salary for malpractice insurance, often more for specialists such as OBGYNs.  Placing reasonable limits on damages, and eliminating punitive damages would have an immediate effect on the price of health care.  The Civil Court system should be used for compensatory damages, not punitive.  If criminal negligence occurs, then it belongs in the criminal court system.

In addition to reducing the money that must be paid to practitioners, it will also minimize costly, unnecessary, "just in case" tests.  Right now, medical practitioners cover their butts for any possible eventuality, no matter how unlikely, because if something is missed, they could be sued for malpractice, even if reasonable action was taken.

2.  Encourage healthy behavior with insurance rate reductions.  Insurance companies should be encouraged to offer variable rates depending on steps taken to improve health.  They could reduce rates for stopping smoking, avoiding drug use, weight loss, heck, avoiding STD's, and allow higher rates for people who don't change their behavior.  I absolutely don't want the government to get involved in this, but I have no problem with insurance companies minimizing their risk by offering higher premiums to people more likely to have avoidable serious health issues in the future. 

3.  Don't offer birthright citizenship to the children of those who are not legally in the country. This will prevent women from crossing the border just before they give birth so that their children can be US citizens.  Even better, deport illegal immigrants en masse, and immediately improve the profitability of hospitals in areas with large numbers of illegal immigrants.  By and large, illegal immigrants don't have health insurance, and they don't pay their hospital bills reliably.  As a result, everybody else has to pick up the tab. 

Just a few items I would look at very strongly if I were to look at health care reform.

However none of them are in the dems playbook..in fact the opposite is what they want.

[franksolich]

Things franksolich is for:

(a) the right to life
(b) the Second Amendment
(c) lower taxes
(d) less government
(e) better treatment of the environment
(f) strong national defense
(g) judges who enforce the law and penalties
(h) less crime and violence
(i) &c., &c., &c.

Now, what could not possibly be positive about those things?

[GOBUCKS]

I'm well aware that this has already been addressed... but have the GOP come with any health care plan other than not liking single payer or public option?

WTF do these assholes want?

Well, as far as medical care is concerned, this asshole would like to see all the quackeries outlawed, including acupuncture, aromatherapy, chiropractic, chinese, eastern, and voodoo. In other words, all the New Age horseshit the DUmp loves. Otherwise, our system is by far the best in the world, and I want it to be left alone with no changes whatsoever.

Of course our legal system is screwed up, but that isn't going to change because the lawmakers are all lawyers.

[DixieBelle]

Things franksolich is for:

(a) the right to life
(b) the Second Amendment
(c) lower taxes
(d) less government
(e) better treatment of the environment
(f) strong national defense
(g) judges who enforce the law and penalties
(h) less crime and violence
(i) &c., &c., &c.

Now, what could not possibly be positive about those things?

Well said Sir.

I'm sure the DUmmies wouldn't get past #1 and #2 without having a seizure though....no wonder they don't know WTF we stand for.

[The Village Idiot]

Democrats are against humanity itself, they favor government over all

[jukin]

I guarantee that I have put more food on other people's table than all of the DUmp.

[MrsSmith]

The DUmmies fail to realize that attempts to force all people to be equal actually destroys individual rights. 

[USA4ME]

One current proposal, and one I beleive the Republicans are bringing to the table, is to make it easier for groups and organizations to obtain group policies like the mutual insurance companies have created; products that have lowered the cost.  I remember a few years ago when GWB wanted to make it easier for small businesses to band together and purchase insurance for their employees at the same cost big businesses were able to do.  Simple things like that would lower the cost and still allow people the freedom to shop around and gets what's best for them.

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[thundley4]

One current proposal, and one I beleive the Republicans are bringing to the table, is to make it easier for groups and organizations to obtain group policies like the mutual insurance companies have created; products that have lowered the cost.  I remember a few years ago when GWB wanted to make it easier for small businesses to band together and purchase insurance for their employees at the same cost big businesses were able to do.  Simple things like that would lower the cost and still allow people the freedom to shop around and gets what's best for them.

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Until recently, like the past month or so, our credit union offered a life insurance policy which would double your number of shares up to a certain amount, and would pay off any outstanding personal loans.(personal or signature loans were limited to $3000).  They recently stopped, because they said it was illegal to do.  After 20 years?

[jukin]

Does anyone else remember average people going to WDC and a few years late coming out multi-millionaires before Clinton?


ME NEITHER.

[miskie]

Democrats are against humanity itself, they favor government over all

Yep. Why else would they have cooked up the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement ? - http://www.vhemt.org/ Government healthcare that determines when one is 'too far gone' to save works in that direction.

[AllosaursRus]

I absolutely don't want the government to get involved in this, but I have no problem with insurance companies minimizing their risk by offering higher premiums to people more likely to have avoidable serious health issues in the future. 

It's already there! Take a look at life insurance for a smoker!

[JohnnyReb]

My healthcare plan: Educate and train more US citizens as doctors/nurses. Stop importing them from third world countries. Supply and demand.

....oh yeah, and shoot more John Edwards type lawyers. What is the true cost of John Edwards type lawyers? Just think of the salary to the judges, courtroom cost, lost taxes on the wages of the jury in weeks long trials, courtroom staff, witnesses, etc., etc........and discontinuation of the TV lawyer ads alone would chop how much off your doctor bill?

[docstew]

It's already there! Take a look at life insurance for a smoker!

Ahh, but that's life insurance, which only pays one time.  She's talking health insurance, where they pay and pay and pay until your kin claims the life insurance.

A smoker has an increased chance of having heart disease, lung cancer, other cancers, emphysema, etc.  All of these diseases will shorten your lifespan, which is why the higher premiums for life insurance (they need to get the money from you faster before they have to pay out when you die).  However, with today's medical technology, many of these diseases can be treated, albeit expensively.

Conservatives have always believed in facing the consequences of your decisions.  Wanna smoke?  Fine, but why shouldn't you face the consequence of higher health insurance premiums, as higher heathcare costs are a foreseeable consequence of that activity.  Wanna be gay and expose yourself to HIV?  Again, why shouldn't you pay higher costs, since you carry a higher probability of expensive long-term care.  Tis but another side of personal responsibility.

Before I get all the smokers here riled up, I used Allo's example.  There are many many other actions that charge higher for life insurance.

[AllosaursRus]

As long as your behavior is not illegal, I agree, you should pay more for your life choices. Bam Bam's cure is going to be to deny care or curtail it because of your bad habits. At least that's the way I interpret the way it is written in this POS bill.

Smokers will be the first, then most likely obesity, then fast food consumers, then meat eaters, then we'll start going thru the rest of the "bad" habits we "free" people involve ourselves in.

Sounds like an exceptional bill don't it? When are we going to penalize the hypochondriacs, or the perpetually depressed, who just want free drugs to perpetuate their addictions? How about the slip and fall lawyers who bleed our good doctors dry?

What's going to happen when our brilliant young people who had their hearts set on being Md's, figure out it just ain't worth it?

If this "health"care bill passes, we're going to get royally ****ed!!!!!! I for one am going to hold every asshole that voted this empty suit into office personally responsible!

[AllosaursRus]

(g) judges who enforce the law and penalties

I'd like to add, as is written in our Constitution! Unfortunately, judges ARE enforcing the law according to their "interpretation". This in itself has destroyed our judiciary! Liberals are using European and Lord knows what else to change our laws according to their personal beliefs!