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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2009, 01:05:45 PM »
The appointed president, Micheletti says he'll have Zelaya arrested if he tried to return, as Obama and Hugo Chavez want. According to the wsj, Obama did everything he could to keep Zelaya in power. Socialism FAIL.

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2009, 03:22:31 PM »
Seems that the Øbamessiah's Ministry of Troof wasn't completely honest in their portrayal of this whole incident.  Gee, who'd have believed them capable of prevaricating for political effect...  :whatever:

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Very constitutional coup
Army, broad political base thwart power grab
By Juan Diego Zelaya

   <snip> ...During his last year, he embarked on a mission to carry out a total reform of our constitution, following the well-tested formula of Mr. Chavez and Equador's President Rafael Correa so he could remain in power "constitutionally."

Running a campaign disguised as promoting change for the people and true direct participation of the masses, he started to promote this project with all his executive might. The judicial branch deemed this project illegal, as did our electoral tribunal and the Attorney General's Office.

Nonetheless, these institutions started to be portrayed as part of the groups of power that were afraid of change, tyrants opposed to the people of our country, who did not want people to express themselves. Whatever person or institution went against his project was also an enemy of the people. Sound familiar, Mr. Chavez?

Last week, Mr. Zelaya issued executive orders to the armed forces to carry out the first phase of the constitutional reform project. The head of the armed forces, knowing that this order was illegal and unconstitutional, said "No." Mr. Zelaya went on national TV and fired Gen. Romeo Vasquez for refusing to carry out the order, but our nation's Supreme Court reinstated him. The firing was a clear signal Mr. Zelaya was putting his personal ambition and interests before any genuine interest to change things and improve the quality of life of Hondurans.

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
Almost makes you want to move to Honduras.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2009, 09:11:20 PM »
I'm thinking about it. Son has in-laws there, in San Pedro Sula and the housing ain't that bad. Plus, you only need air conditioning.

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2009, 11:25:37 PM »
Obama has cut all military ties to Honduras, and is in the process of cutting aide.

What the **** is wrong with this country when we side with a Communist over the Democratic will of the people of the country.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2009, 06:01:43 AM »
It's not this country, it's the leadership and the media that pumps the same old bullshit story to the masses who don't bother to look past perky Katie's smile.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2009, 09:32:26 AM »


If I change a few words Dutch, does this sound like it could happen, considering the reaction of 'Dear Leader"?

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During his last year, he embarked on a mission to carry out a total reform of our constitution, following the well-tested formula of Mr. Chavez and Equador's President Rafael Correa so he could remain in power "constitutionally."

Running a campaign disguised as promoting change for the people and true direct participation of the masses, he started to promote this project with all his executive might. The judicial branch deemed this project illegal, as did our electoral tribunal and the Attorney General's Office.

Nonetheless, these institutions started to be portrayed as part of the groups of power that were afraid of change, tyrants opposed to the people of our country, who did not want people to express themselves. Whatever person or institution went against his project was also an enemy of the people. Sound familiar, Mr. Obama?

Last week, Mr. Obama issued executive orders to the armed forces to carry out the first phase of the constitutional reform project. The head of the armed forces, knowing that this order was illegal and unconstitutional, said "No." Mr. Obama went on national TV and fired Gen. Romeo Vasquez for refusing to carry out the order, but our nation's Supreme Court reinstated him. The firing was a clear signal Mr.Obama was putting his personal ambition and interests before any genuine interest to change things and improve the quality of life of Americans.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2009, 01:01:38 PM »

If I change a few words Dutch, does this sound like it could happen, considering the reaction of 'Dear Leader"?
 
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During his last year, he embarked on a mission to carry out a total reform of our constitution, following the well-tested formula of Mr. Chavez and Equador's President Rafael Correa so he could remain in power "constitutionally."

Running a campaign disguised as promoting change for the people and true direct participation of the masses, he started to promote this project with all his executive might. The judicial branch deemed this project illegal, as did our electoral tribunal and the Attorney General's Office.

Nonetheless, these institutions started to be portrayed as part of the groups of power that were afraid of change, tyrants opposed to the people of our country, who did not want people to express themselves. Whatever person or institution went against his project was also an enemy of the people. Sound familiar, Mr. Obama?

Last week, Mr. Obama issued executive orders to the armed forces to carry out the first phase of the constitutional reform project. The head of the armed forces, knowing that this order was illegal and unconstitutional, said "No." Mr. Obama went on national TV and fired Gen. Romeo Vasquez for refusing to carry out the order, but our nation's Supreme Court reinstated him. The firing was a clear signal Mr.Obama was putting his personal ambition and interests before any genuine interest to change things and improve the quality of life of Americans.

Exactly what I was thinking when I found this little article, and exactly why I think Lord Øbamessiah reacted the way that he has.  The whole media coverage of this has been presented as a "military coup", when in fact it was nothing of the sort: it was instead the military as ONE ARM of the executive Branch of the Honduras government recognizing it's responsibilities, and PEACEFULLY refusing to step beyond that mandate.  "If I didn't know better", I'd say that the Honduras Army has been following in the example and footsteps of the US Military's officer corps.  Which hs got to be giving Lord Øbama ulcers at the moment.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2009, 10:37:46 PM »


Exactly what I was thinking when I found this little article, and exactly why I think Lord Øbamessiah reacted the way that he has.  The whole media coverage of this has been presented as a "military coup", when in fact it was nothing of the sort: it was instead the military as ONE ARM of the executive Branch of the Honduras government recognizing it's responsibilities, and PEACEFULLY refusing to step beyond that mandate.  "If I didn't know better", I'd say that the Honduras Army has been following in the example and footsteps of the US Military's officer corps.  Which hs got to be giving Lord Øbama ulcers at the moment.

Of course they have, they were trained by the hired killers at the School of the Americas.  Close it down now, before more communist dictators are removed from office![/DU mode]

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2009, 09:14:40 AM »
This article is from the Honduran view point....

Honduras Political Crises

This article is from The official web site of Utilla, The Bay Islands, Honduras...the author has been living in Utila, Honduras for the past seven years, and is married to a Honduran and support two Honduran children, one of whom is his adopted daughter.

 It is a long but informative article and gives lots of links inside the article to back up what he says.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2009, 07:50:03 PM »
An update...
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Honduras leaves OAS after body decries coup

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) — Honduras rebuffed demands by the international community to reinstate President Manuel Zelaya and pulled out of the Organization of American States, thrusting the poor Central American nation deeper into political crisis and isolation.

Zelaya was traveling in Central America but planned to return to Honduras on Sunday, according to Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega. Honduras' interim government has said it will arrest Zelaya if he returns, setting up a potentially volatile showdown.

"The government rejects the attempts of the OAS to impose unilateral resolutions," said the letter read by deputy foreign minister Martha Lorena Alvarado.

Neighboring countries have imposed trade blockades, major lenders have cut aid, the Obama administration has halted joint military operations and all European Union ambassadors have abandoned the country.
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2009, 07:57:23 PM »
This world has gone nucking futs.  Everything that I have read points to the fact that Zelaya was legally removed by the courts and the rest of the government in Honduras. Will this be what happens when 0Bama is impeached and removed from office? Will we have the leaders of other nations interfering with the will of the people?

Yeah, I know that's a fantasy of mine, but the idea is the same.

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2009, 12:49:48 AM »
Reuters Runs Staged Photo Of Bloody Honduran Protester

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He did see an older man in a white shirt reach down into the blood pool and cover his hands. He then wiped them on his shirt to make it look like his blood or that he had been involved. Hunter saw what he thought was an AP photographer take the man's picture. Hunter said if you see it on the web, don't believe it. It was faked.

http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/2009/07/update-4.html#comments
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If you look at the man in the photo, it is clear that the blood was not the result of a wound, but was wiped on his shirt, just like Hunter said. This photo was staged, although the Reuters photographer did not necessarily know it.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/07/reuters-runs-staged-photo-of-bloody.html
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2009, 11:19:35 AM »
An update from the jug-eared Kenyan's administration...
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The crisis is seen as a diplomatic test for U.S. President Barack Obama as he seeks to improve relations with Latin America, where a growing bloc of leftist leaders that includes Zelaya has challenged Washington's influence in recent years.

Obama's administration has condemned the coup, cut $16.5 million in military aid and threatened to slash economic aid.

The U.S. State Department said it remained focused on mediation, and that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had made clear to the interim government there would be consequences if it failed to reach a deal.

"The secretary made very clear . . . that it's important for the de facto regime to take a serious look at the mediation effort by President Arias and to look at the seven-point plan very hard and try to . . . come to an agreement with President Zelaya and his representatives," department deputy spokesman Robert Wood told a briefing.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Honduras+talks+postponed/1815631/story.html
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2009, 12:52:48 PM »
Hey, at least the election results (of an election that was cancelled before voting) showed that the ousted President one by a slim margin. 

Oops, we forgot to cancel the automatic result calculator of our rigged election computers :thatsright:
 
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2009, 12:59:54 PM »
An update from the jug-eared Kenyan's administration...

So, to recap:

Honduran President attempts to extend his power unconstitutionally.
The Honduran political system and military disagrees with the Presidents move.
The President attempts the move anyway, and starts removing people from office who disagree.
The military, backed by the Honduran Justice department, removes the president from office.
Obama levies sanctions because Honduras did as its constitution requires - They Chimpeached the leftist.

Firstly - I thought that 'nation building' and 'interfering in affairs and governments that don't pose any threat to the United States' were things to never be done again.

Secondly - The executive branch of their government attempted to increase its power over the military and other branches objections. Didn't we hear eight years of wailing about how Bush was doing just that from the left ?

Thirdly - The executive branch confiscated ballots from the voting that shouldn't have happened in the first place. The only way that makes any sense is that the people themselves did not want their government to change, and the ballots would have shown it.

This is nothing more than a failed dictatorial power grab, but because the person doing the grabbing is a leftist, its A-O-K with Team Obama & primitives everywhere.

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2009, 01:48:46 PM »
And, now this . . . which isn't being reported in any English-speaking news outlet, apparently.

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/caught_red_handed/

In sum, there were computers of the Zelaya camp that had "certified" results for a referendum that was never held!  Whoops--these computers were seized by the "coup" that took place.

Now, does our erstwhile President still want someone that has been caught cheating, to lead a country?  Apparently so . . .
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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2009, 06:37:38 PM »


Now, does our erstwhile President still want someone that has been caught cheating, to lead a country?  Apparently so . . .


If he didn't, he would abdicate his thrown. (cough *Acorn* cough)

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2009, 12:16:54 AM »
An update (from Gateway Pundit)...
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In a welcome about-face, the State Department told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Richard Lugar, R-Ind., in a letter Tuesday that the U.S. would no longer threaten sanctions on Honduras for ousting its president, Mel Zelaya, last June 28.

Nor will it insist on Zelaya's return to power. As it turns out, the U.S. Senate can't find any legal reason why the Honduran Supreme Court's refusal to let Zelaya stay in office beyond the time allowed by Honduran law constitutes a "military coup."

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=334537207260360

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Re: Army overthrows Honduras president in vote dispute
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2009, 01:13:48 AM »
Too bad the Senate Committee can't stop Obama from withholding foreign aid and imposing sanctions.