CCers stand on Syria...for the record

[vesta111]

FDR, remember Obamas fellow democrat ?

How many years did he sit by and watch Germany gassing their citizens ?    

Our stanch Allie, England was bombed almost out of existence and FDR sat back and watched.

The world was taken over by criminals and insane folks and nothing was done until Pearl Harbor, we declared war on them and the Germans declared war on us.

Would things have turned out differently had we jumped in without declaring war on Germany when we found out they were gassing their own people ?   Who the Hell knows, and who knows what will happen in our future  today.

Perhaps those born in the next 10 years will in 70 years look back at our time today-----As the Germans, Poles etc. do to the WW2 and question-----How did the people our leaders convince us to go along with their insanity ?

I see no reason to jump into another's fight at this time, perhaps when things settle down but to just try to punish another country for their civil war and run away is incomprehensible to me.

What,    America has gone from the home of the free to the BULLY of the world ????

By the way, the Eastern Mediterranean must be a log jam of war ships and do not forget all the Subs protecting the  surface fleet. Under sea the boats must be packed up like sardines in a can.  

  

[FaC]

Opposed.

First, it's not our problem (I'm talking here about the U.K., but the same applies to the U.S.).
Second, neither side in this fight is good.
Third, attacking Assad empowers Islamists and leads to yet more Christians being martyred for their faith.
Fourth, there is neither entrance nor exit strategy.

Well stated - I am opposed for the same reasons...

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Like everything else the dishonest bastard says, you have to read between the lines...when they explained that "No boots on the ground" they really only said that we would not put regular ground forces in direct combat, which means the place would be literally crawling with SEALS, Army SF, Air Force FACs, and all sorts of other SOCOM assets to 'Advise' and 'Train' our new pals, Al Q'aeda.

What about the SF support companies?

And the security elements to guard them?

And the logistical elements to support the guards?

And the engineering elements to build facilities for them.

And the infantry needed after that because all those people and facilities make such tempting targets.

And...

[debk]

Highly opposed.

The Syrians are killing each other.. less of them....the safer we are.

Now, if they invade Israel... that would be a different story.

But as long as they stay within their own country.... let them have at it.

Cause sure as hell we go in with missles, boots on the ground, whatever, they will unite with each other and turn on us!

I am seriously concerned however, that Obama will go through with this - without the support of Congress - just to "save face".

His is own. Not the US's.

[Texacon]

We have zero business getting messed up in this civil war.  Period, end of story.  The US government can't provide one thing pointing to how this would benefit the USA.

KC

[DumbAss Tanker]

What about the SF support companies?

And the security elements to guard them?

And the logistical elements to support the guards?

And the engineering elements to build facilities for them.

And the infantry needed after that because all those people and facilities make such tempting targets.

And...

All that doesn't count as 'Boots on the ground,' snugs, since they aren't there to engage regime forces directly.  But SOCOM is actually pretty austere on the actual US forces supporting their operators, preferring to either put the static stuff in neighboring countries (Like Turkey and Jordan, I doubt if the Iraqis want a piece of this freak show though), or just spend huge wads of black budget cash to buy whatever they need including the 'Undying friendship' of local warlords.   

[IassaFTots]

We have zero business getting messed up in this civil war.  Period, end of story.  The US government can't provide one thing pointing to how this would benefit the USA.

KC

Agreed.  And, because Obama is a poopyhead.

[Karin]

And one more thing.  King Barky the Incompetent (which I stole from one of you, shamelessly), ****s up
 everything he does. 

[GOP Congress]

Let's be PERFECTLY clear. Obama has only ONE mission in this debacle. It is the SAME mission for EVERYTHING Obama does.

What can he do to make the GOP look bad so that 2014 elections are affected?

That is is FIRST, his PRIMARY, and at this time, his ONLY mission.

[Rebel]

All that doesn't count as 'Boots on the ground,' snugs, since they aren't there to engage regime forces directly.  But SOCOM is actually pretty austere on the actual US forces supporting their operators, preferring to either put the static stuff in neighboring countries (Like Turkey and Jordan, I doubt if the Iraqis want a piece of this freak show though), or just spend huge wads of black budget cash to buy whatever they need including the 'Undying friendship' of local warlords.   

Hmm, sounds like a certain area in Southeast Asia circa 1964.

[Texacon]

Agreed.  And, because Obama is a poopyhead.

LOL!  Well, I didn't want to get banned for using banned words so I left that part out.

KC

[delilahmused]

I'll just repost what I wrote while discussing this with other Marine moms this morning:

But why would this internal war be more important than any of the others we haven't/aren't helping? Look at Darfur. It's turned into slaughter, starvation & refugees (even refugee camps are raided). Their government has provided aid for one side by dropping bombs and literally burning villages to the ground. There's been more death and suffering there than in Syria.

What about the eastern Congo? Death & torture is practically a way of life. Young boys are taken from their home and forced to become soldiers. Congo is the rape capital of the world. Rape is used as a weapon of war, women, girls, it doesn't matter. They use guns, sticks, whatever. Often these women are left with their insides ripped to shreds. Ironically, the same year 0bama got the peace prize a doctor who has devoted his life to repairing these women physically and mentally was also up for the prize. Where his clinic is, it's now become a village of raped women & girls.

So why Syria? And if it was so urgent and important why has our president waited? Seriously, the Constitution and precedent set by past administrations gives him license to take these kinds of actions. Why telegraph your actions? Were it me, I'd want to act soon enough to not give him time to launch another attack?

I'm not without compassion but we need to make sure we know all the facts. I've read things the past couple of days from people who are pretty much political polar opposites presenting evidence that Assad wasn't the one who did this, but it was the rebels trying to garner support. Assad was winning, profoundly. He had nothing to gain by gassing his own people and drawing the attention of the world.

And the brutality of the rebels bothers me. But what's most troubling is that we also know these "rebels" have been infiltrated by Al Qaeda. The fact we would knowingly help any group of people who have killed or injured so many of my son's brothers and sisters is just appalling.

Cindie

[NHSparky]

Good points all, Cindie.  You can throw Rwanda into that equation as well.  800,000 murdered in a tribal war, but Clinton didn't get involved.  Why?  1--not in our national interest, 2--probably didn't want another Mogadishu on his hands.

Like the man or not, his NOT getting involved in Rwanda was probably one of the smarter moves he made.

[jukin]

Well, I am against Obama's war on Syria but Putin is open to it given that Obama's Regime provide "convincing evidence."

President Putin has tried to avert a diplomatic stalemate between Russia and America at today’s G20 summit by hinting of a compromise on Western military intervention in Syria.

The Russian leader also made conciliatory remarks about the Kremlin’s relationship with the White House.

“If there is evidence that chemical weapons were used, and by the regular army, then this evidence must be presented to the UN Security Council and it must be convincing,” President Putin said in an interview with Associated Press.

Asked whether Russia would support US-led airstrikes, he added: "I do not exclude that."...

Hat tip AoS

My question is how does the Obama Regime know this when it can't find out what happened in Benghazi after a year and out of the IRS in the far away land of Cincinnati? Also the whole YouTube non stop lying the Obama Regime trotted out for months kind of makes me thing it is all a lie. Obama like DUchebags, lies, he lies all the time.

[NHSparky]

Jukin--you have one GCE--you say that the Obama administration can't figure out what happened in Benghazi.

They know EXACTLY what went down in Benghazi.  They're just not saying.

[FiddyBeowulf]

No to interfering with their civil war. For the same reasons everyone else stated.

Side question, when can we start calling members of the regime and the DUmmies chicken-hawks for pushing for war?

[EagleKeeper]

Just a point of clarification.

It's no longer a "civil war". it's a muslim war, sunnis vs shias.

[jukin]

Jukin--you have one GCE--you say that the Obama administration can't figure out what happened in Benghazi.

They know EXACTLY what went down in Benghazi.  They're just not saying.

I know, a bit of snark.  The Obama Regime also knows what happened with the IRS targeting Tea Party groups as they ordered it to happen.

[98ZJUSMC]

TwilightGardener (39,840 posts)

10. If you read RW sites (and I do), the main reasons for opposing a strike on Syria

are to: defeat the President, and punish Democrats for undermining Bush during Iraq.

That, which you just describe has been the (D) tactic since Nixon, aka the Drunken Kennedy Gambit.

 

Looking to Republicans for valid, helpful opinions on this matter is like asking a 3-year-old to help you with your taxes

Oh, please....  Never in my lifetime.  

[Skul]

O'Barky "mis-spoke".

Again.
Bush's fault. ...and the Jooooz.
(Carville actually did blame Bush.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Carville actually did blame Bush.

But what else would you really expect from that inbred-looking political whore?

[Wineslob]

Agreed.  And, because Obama is a poopyhead.

 

[Skul]

But what else would you really expect from that inbred-looking political whore?

You saw the Golum speak. I was astounded that he came up with that crap. 
BDS, lives.

[BadCat]

obama henchman chuckie hegel testified that obama's war would cost "tens of million dollars"...that comes to 6 cruise missiles.

[miskie]

If Obama would take the time to look at the history of Syria, he would learn that Syrian-on-Syrian violence is practically their national pastime. It has been that way for at least a thousand years.

Sending a few missiles in isn't going to do anything but get them all wee-wee'd up -unless Obama's goal is to kill every last one of them by arming those few missiles with nuclear payloads.