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Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« on: October 13, 2021, 10:19:56 PM »
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Star Member genxlib (4,554 posts)
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Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong with the Universe

On one hand, it is a heartwarming story for a cultural icon to bring his illustrious career full circle at the delight of his fans.

On the other hand, it is a grotesque waste of resources. Or at best, a publicity stunt attempting to hide the insidious nature of a bunch of billionaires wanting to leave the planet that they have helped screw up.

I know..."lighten up Francis",

I can't help when my cynical side takes over.

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Star Member Wounded Bear (46,736 posts)

1. In Capitalism, anything that makes money is not a "waste of resources"...

Space tourism is becoming a growth industry for the 1 and 0.1%-ers.

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Star Member Corgigal (8,719 posts)

4. Im Just calling it

squid games for Billionaires. They will kill people, sooner or later.

We need nations to grab this back.

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Star Member PCIntern (21,744 posts)

6. I understand....

I’m of two minds here but I’ll tell you what REALLY gets on my nerves: the canned remarks from Mission Control during the flight are so puerile and vais that I can’t listen. Otherwise, remarkable technology.

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Star Member MuseRider (31,657 posts)

23. Did you hear the interview with Mark Kelly?

It was essentially agreed upon because John Glen was also along for the ride he said so since they crossed the barrier into space they qualified. Now I do not know how much that cost him personally to say that but it certainly was the reason that they started calling them astronauts. There was another astronaut there and I cannot remember his name for the life of me who also mentioned a bunch of times the hours and years of training it takes to pilot something into and in space. The press now has their "gotcha" to use for every single rich asshole to gain the title that has always been revered for so much more. I did not remember that much use of the word before that interview. I do remember a few "space tourists" used but was not listening much long before so maybe they were all already doing that. "Crew" really blew my mind. Only crew ever whose job it was to sit back, try not to shit yourself or fling yourself at the windows pre launch then fly around a bit and crawl out of the capsule.

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Star Member a kennedy (23,437 posts)

11. and please DO NOT CALL THEM ASTRONAUTS.......

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Star Member MuseRider (31,657 posts)

19. I love Shatner and had to watch this

but unless someone else goes up that I see more than just money and ego involved I will not watch another.

The only good thing I can hope comes from this is an interest in science like the big science boom the first shots into space inspired. Hopefully we can do more with this with the increased interest without the competition of having to "beat" another country.

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25. I remember ignoring "Star Trak" tv nights in the college dorm common room

Back then, in the mid to later 1960's, it seemed so many possibilities for a glorious future were suggested and reflected by fact, fiction, feeling and folk all around.

Sub-orbital and orbital flight had been achieved; we were shooting for the moon.
Science and society with the feminist, anti-warrior, anti-racist, alternate American history, justice -for-all, pro-all-lives-matter movements, seemed to be pointed to a fine future.

True we had Nixon and his republicans, but this was all before the oil-crisis, the worst of Vietnam, Reagan and all the republicanism now poisoning USa.

It feels as though all the 2nd-half 20th century optimism and gains are reversed; previously fought for rights are under attack and being denied.

We are celebrating spending money to repeat 1962. We need to spend money to repair everything ignored since the 1980's and "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous".

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Star Member hunter (33,824 posts)

27. Anyone who drives a car has no moral standing to talk about wasted resources.

Participating in automobile culture is one of the most environmentally destructive things anyone can do.

I'm guilty of that. I own a car.

Space exploration is a positive thing. So are improvements in rocket technology.

But I don't think humans will ever have a significant presence in space beyond Low Earth Orbit.

If we manage to survive as a world civilization then this Solar System will belong to our intellectual children, engineered beings who can walk around on the surface of places like Mars naked.

I also think Faster-Than-Light space craft are purely a fantasy. This universe doesn't work like that so alas there's no Star Trek in our future.
Eventually we humans will go extinct or build our own universe that's more accommodating of our dreams. That's my answer to the Fermi Paradox.

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Star Member Hekate (71,644 posts)

29. The search for goods & profits & trade routes (capitalism, so to speak) has been the driving force...

… for exploration for millennia. Military motives as well.

I am not disturbed by the Billionaire Boys’ Club Race to the Stars. Up to this point space travel has been funded by and controlled by the federal government & its military arm, & those chosen as crew have had to be in the absolute peak of health and condition.

When civilians finally got involved, it took money— piles and piles of money— which meant a self-selected group of billionaires.

But something else happened. When they started choosing passengers, they chose people who could pay, not young military jet pilots in the peak of condition. They chose, ultimately, an overweight 90 year old man.

Boldly going where no nonagenarian has gone before, William Shatner just proved that anybody can go to outer space now. Frankly, I am stoked. Talk about a great leap for humankind.

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Re: Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 11:07:15 PM »
Not that many years ago, Shatner turned down a free ticket on Virgin Galactic's first flight. 
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Re: Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 03:20:24 AM »
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4. Im Just calling it

squid games for Billionaires. They will kill people, sooner or later.

We need nations to grab this back.

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As of 2020, there have been 15 astronaut and 4 cosmonaut fatalities during spaceflight.[1][2] Astronauts have also died while training for space missions, such as the Apollo 1 launch pad fire which killed an entire crew of three. There have also been some non-astronaut fatalities during spaceflight-related activities. As of 2020, there have been 30 fatalities in incidents regarding spaceflight.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents
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Re: Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 03:21:30 AM »
Not that many years ago, Shatner turned down a free ticket on Virgin Galactic's first flight.

Captain Kirk ain't got much use for virgins.
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Re: Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 08:12:11 AM »
I wish they would have really done this.   :rofl:

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Re: Shatner going into space is everything that is right AND wrong
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 09:07:28 AM »
I take it Shatner's backing-and-forthing with George Takei have earned Shatner DUpipo disaffection. :rotf:
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