Hey Santorum...you claim to be called by God to run? Have you not read Romans

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demtenjeep
 
Hey Santorum...you claim to be called by God to run? Have you not read Romans chapter 2?

Romans Chapter 2

1 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. 2 And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. 3 Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things? 4 Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?

19 You are convinced that you are a guide for the blind and a light for people who are lost in darkness. 20 You think you can instruct the ignorant and teach children the ways of God. For you are certain that God’s law gives you complete knowledge and truth.
21 Well then, if you teach others, why don’t you teach yourself? You tell others not to steal, but do you steal? 22 You say it is wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery? You condemn idolatry, but do you use items stolen from pagan temples? 23 You are so proud of knowing the law, but you dishonor God by breaking it. 24 No wonder the Scriptures say, “The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you.”



I think those that "profess" to be guided by God, don't read or listen to him much!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002436423


I think Pammy is trying to claim that Santorum is a hypocrite somehow. As far as I know he follows his Christian beliefs.
That is why they hate him so much.

cindyperry2010
1. No because then the bible

would have to be something besides a prop he would actually have to open it

This coming from people who claim that Jesus was a socialist. Maybe if they cracked open a Bible they would see that not once did Jesus ever say that anything should be taken from one by force to be given to another.

demtenjeep
2. our pastor tonight was on fire about "religion" and how it is bad

Did you know religion was only mentioned in the Bible 3 times and none in good context.

Where as faith, love, following God ect is numerous occasions





Religion is nothing but man made rules meant to oppress others "in the name of God" and while some intentions are good, over all religion is not.


This from a "Baptist" minister. AWESOME

You goons don't want people to follow God, in fact you want to dictate what their morality should be.

Odin2005
10. Religious people interpret their scriptures to suit their own beliefs.

The Bible can justify ANYTHING.

And you goons frequently misinterpret the Bible to try to suit your own desires.

I'm not religious, but even I understand the Bible much more than any of these goons do.

 

[obumazombie]

I love when they say the Bible can justify anything. The ability of man (especially liberal ones) to rationalize is unlimited.

[franksolich]

One wonders if Pamela's revving up to re-capture the crown she won back in 2009.

[GOBUCKS]

So Pam Dawson goes to church on Saturday night, to hear a Baptist minister preach against religion.

I'll bet he was in favor of adultery and drunkenness, too.

If Pam has a Bible somewhere there in her palatial five-story house (curiously located on a street of lower middle-class starter homes), she needs to check out the Ten Commandments.

She might find some mention of being a liar.

[obumazombie]

So Pam Dawson goes to church on Saturday night, to hear a Baptist minister preach against religion.

I'll bet he was in favor of adultery and drunkenness, too.

If Pam has a Bible somewhere there in her palatial five-story house (curiously located on a street of lower middle-class starter homes), she needs to check out the Ten Commandments.

She might find some mention of being a liar.

Thou shalt not bare false witless. That's a bit on the blasphemous side, but, Lord I apologize, and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen -Daniel Lawrence Whitney-

[MrsSmith]

demtenjeep
2. our pastor tonight was on fire about "religion" and how it is bad

Did you know religion was only mentioned in the Bible 3 times and none in good context.

Where as faith, love, following God ect is numerous occasions





Religion is nothing but man made rules meant to oppress others "in the name of God" and while some intentions are good, over all religion is not.


This from a "Baptist" minister. AWESOME

Pam must have gone to a Westview Baptist service.    In the King James bible, religion is mentioned 5 times, and none of them are in bad context.  

Beyond that, it is commonly recognized among Christians that Christianity is the one religion that is not "just a religion," but rather a relationship with Christ.  If Pam's entire "take" from the sermon was that "religion is bad," then either the pastor was truly of the Westview type, or Pam missed 90% of the sermon somehow.    One can only hope and pray that whatever subject she teaches, she actually has a few brain cells with some knowledge of it...  Given the level of thought obvious in her OP, I don't hold out much hope for that, though.

[Carl]

When you read the whole chapter which includes the verses Pam conveniently leaves out the context is quite clear.

1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”

 25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

 28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+2&version=NIV

Read it Pam,God is talking about the sinful nature of all people and then read Romans 3

1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

 3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

   â€œSo that you may be proved right when you speak
   and prevail when you judge.”

 5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!
No One Is Righteous
 9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:

   â€œThere is no one righteous, not even one;
 11 there is no one who understands;
   there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
   they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
   not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
   their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
 16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know."
 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

God is saying that both Jew and non Jew are sinners under Old Testament law and neither can reunite with God by actions but only by faith in the work of Jesus on the cross.
For you to have grabbed a few verses so out of context shows not just how ignorant you are Pam but also how evil your heart is.
Read His Word and truly repent.

[FlaGator]

I would strongly suggest that demtenjeep actually understand the passages that she is quoting. Otherwise she comes out looking very foolish to those who understand the intent of these verses. Cherry picking a few lines that seems to agree with one's position while ignoring the greater context make a person seem wise to the ignorant but does little else. Demtenjeep would be wise to consider and apply Proverbs 17:27-28

A man of knowledge uses words with restraint,
   and a man of understanding is even-tempered.

Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent,
   and discerning if he holds his tongue.

[obumazombie]

Faith without works is dead. Faith without works is not faith at all. Human nature has a strong ability to not be honest with itself.

[GOBUCKS]

Come on! This is Pam Dawson! She has proven herself for years to be a pathological liar. She lies about things that don't even matter.

There was no church.

There was no sermon.

There was no Saturday night service.

There was no minister.

This is Pam Dawson, whose black students longed to serve as slaves.

Who had a close brush with death at the laundry  mat.

Who had a drunk living in her basement for several years.

Who lives in a five-story mansion in a neighborhood of little three-bedroom ranches.

Who couldn't get laid on a cruise ship.

Who brags about owning a designer knockoff purse.

Who has been on chemo for three years for indigestion.

Whose daughter escaped on her eighteenth birthday, never to return.

Who plagiarized a long rant word-for-word and posted it just weeks later, under her name, back on the same site where it originally appeared.

Who brags about her cruises, then shops at a food bank.

Pam Dawson is hardly a reliable source.

[Mr Mannn]

From a forum that hates and feats all things of faith. I am always suspicious when DU starts quoting scripture.

as mentioned by many in this thread, the quote was clearly taken out of context. Taking Biblical advice from people who clearly despise what you believe in is foolishness.

Sorry DU, I'll listen when you manage to show respect for those who believe differently from you.