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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 12:03:13 PM »
I'm not here to cause chaos or havoc.  On the contrary, I would appreciate clear notification if I step too close to the line, so that I can increase my safety margin.  On the other hand, a court jester persona has served me well, and I think that the presence of the words "Boojatta" and "intelligent" in close proximity to each other could offend lurking DU members.  I see no reason to offend them.  In future, I would like to keep a wide safety margin between the the word "Boojatta" and the word "intelligent", and I'm hoping for your cooperation.

I mean are you here for intelligent discussion and ribbing or are you just here to cause chaos?  
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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 12:04:56 PM »
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I see no reason to offend them.

Now see, you're already getting off on the wrong foot.  :tongue:

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2012, 12:06:27 PM »
Which is your favorite term of endearment?  DUmpmonkey or primitive?






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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2012, 12:08:24 PM »
DUmor has kinda fallen by the wayside, so I'd have to say either DUmbass or Primitive.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2012, 12:09:31 PM »
Which is your favorite term of endearment?  DUmpmonkey or primitive?
Why not combine the primate component of "DUmpmonkey" with the word "primitive" to create a new term?  

"primative"

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2012, 12:10:47 PM »
What kind of wry humor is that?

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 12:11:00 PM »
Youi're very bad.  :-)

But she's soooooo good when she is.   O-)
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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2012, 12:12:22 PM »
Why not combine the primate component of "DUmpmonkey" with the word "primitive" to create a new term?  

"primative"


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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 12:18:10 PM »
I am starting to see why they booted you.   :lmao:  That wasn't even funny.  Make me laugh!

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 12:18:40 PM »
I'm surprised these haven't been posted yet.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf3MQpffBc&feature=related[/youtube]

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 12:29:05 PM »
I don't think nude self portraits are allowed here at CC...

Sure they are, in the Short Bus. 

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2012, 12:33:23 PM »
I personally stood up, and recited every single time. I do it at sporting events, every year at our towns 9/11 memorial get together, and at any other event that warrants it. Same with the Star Spangled Banner, and the National Anthem.

The Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2012, 12:48:20 PM »


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under God - the people believe in a supreme being
➢indivisible - the country cannot be split into parts
➢with liberty and justice - with freedom and fairness
➢for all - for each person in the country, you and me!

That is why the DUmmies hate the "Pledge of Allegiance".

They don't believe in God.

They want the country divided.

They don't want fairness in its true meaning, but only what they believe is fair.

They only want freedom and justice as it is determined by them .

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2012, 03:07:59 PM »
I'm not here to cause chaos or havoc.  On the contrary, I would appreciate clear notification if I step too close to the line, so that I can increase my safety margin.  On the other hand, a court jester persona has served me well, and I think that the presence of the words "Boojatta" and "intelligent" in close proximity to each other could offend lurking DU members.  I see no reason to offend them.  In future, I would like to keep a wide safety margin between the the word "Boojatta" and the word "intelligent", and I'm hoping for your cooperation.


We are far more tolerant here than you encountered at the DUmp. You could even criticize Republicans here with no fear of anything more than a bitch-slap to your rep (which doesn't matter in the end as even friendly bitch-slaps are sometimes given). There is no walking on egg shells in this forum unlike the DU or even the formerly great, and now not so great Hannity forums.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2012, 03:10:34 PM »
We are far more tolerant here than you encountered at the DUmp. You could even criticize Republicans here with no fear of anything more than a bitch-slap to your rep (which doesn't matter in the end as even friendly bitch-slaps are sometimes given). There is no walking on egg shells in this forum unlike the DU or even the formerly great, and now not so great Hannity forums.

 :lol:  We have great bitchslap fests  :lmao:






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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2012, 03:13:23 PM »
I've never participated in a Hannity forum.  You have to walk on eggshells there? 

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2012, 03:34:26 PM »
I've never participated in a Hannity forum.  You have to walk on eggshells there?  

You didn't use to. It was a great forum back from about 2003 till about 2008. Then rules changed and it lost all its appeal. Plus, certain posters were allowed to become mods, and one of them *cough* Goosemon *cough* let it go to his head and developed a power trip out of it. He sure seems to enjoy talking down to, berating, and banning the conservatives on that forum while giving long time trouble making libs free passes till the cows come home.

Edit to add - pretty much all the good guys I knew there and had made internet friends with have either been banned or left voluntarily. We're not talking people as acidic as I can be, but laid back types.
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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2012, 03:39:53 PM »
They also miss the point that you're not pledging allegiance to the state, but to the flag, which is a battle banner. It's easier for a kid to understand than pledging allegiance to the Constitution, which, in a different format ("protect and defend"), our elected leaders and military do. Specifically NOT the United States, but the Constitution of the United States--subtle but HUGE difference.

I've always thought that the choice of the flag and not the country itself mirrored this same idea for a younger audience. I loved saying the pledge. I felt as if I were truly e pluribus unum. Of course, I was a kid, so my mind was more on recess than anything else, but the pledge always gave me that feeling of belonging to something greater and contributing to it. Immmph....well, if under their cold, analytical glare of America-hatred the pledge causes even the most fleeting twinge of thoughts of contribution, I could see how the DUmmies, all takers from our country and never givers, would hate it on that basis alone.

As for pledging allegiance to the state--good grief, DUmmies do that with every breath!
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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2012, 07:14:05 PM »
When little kids are out on the playground, playing on the swings and Jungle Jim, and the slide, they line up to get a turn to go down the slide.  First, Josie goes up the ladder, the other kids watching, and when she sits down on top, and wriggles forward to begin her trip down the slide, Jimmy begins his ascent up the ladder for his turn down the slide.  This is the way the teacher showed them so that they will all get their turn on the slide.  They know that it's not fair for someone to "butt in" the line out of turn, ahead of someone else.  They shout: "Hey, no fair".  That's just the way they do it.  It's the way they all learned that this is the way it's done.  And when the teacher blows the whistle, they know that recess is over, and that it is time to go back into the classroom.  The teacher said she doesn't want everyone trying to get in the door at the same time, so they have to line up to get in the door.  That's the way it's done.  Early in the mornings, the teacher says its time to all stand up and say the pledge of allegiance.  They all know what to do.  They all stand together, and put their hand over their heart, and follow along with the teacher.  Little Troy knows all the words now, and can say all of them, one right after the other without stumbling.  Some still look over at others to see if they are doing it right, smiling self-consciously, but they are doing it all together, happy with their joint efforts with their classmates.  They don't know exactly what they are saying, or why.  They do it because it is a class project that the teacher showed them, and they are happy to participate, contributing their voice to the whole.

As they grow older, they move from the smaller grades to high school, and when it is time to say the pledge of allegiance, they know the words, and what to do.  I still remember the words: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America; and to the Republic for which it stands; One Nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

It was all so simple back when we were kids.  We just got up from the chair, and stood up and put our hand over our heart and said the words.  Many still say the words without thinking.  All around are up on their feet saying the words.  It is much like a favorite hymn in church, or The Lord's Prayer.

There are many in this country who don't know The Lord's Prayer.  They have learned differently about a God, and recite their own words that they have learned as a child.  Their religious beliefs are quite different from those of the majority in this country.  Some say that the minority must adapt to the ways of the majority.  In Ireland, the Catholics and Protestants are still at war with each other.  In the Middle East, the Muslims and Jews are at war with each other.  Religious Intolerance has been a bane of many societies, and continues.  So what's the answer??? TOLERANCE!!!  Nobody is just like somebody else.  We all differ.  What is accomplished by getting mad at somebody because he is different?  And because another is different, are we going to make him change to conform to our views?  How are we going to do that?

At sporting events, and patriotic gatherings, people rise up at the announcement of the pledge of allegiance, and recite, by rote, the familiar incantations.  Some have examined into the history of this country, and religions, and see things differently than most.  I have studied our history, and realize that this country was not founded on the principles of subservience to a king, such subservience being rejected in the flight from Britain to the shores of America.  The terms "sovereign", and "subject" were rejected in our society, in favor of the hierarchical arrangement as delineated in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, which shows that the people retain all of the powers not granted to a State, or the States creation, the United States.  We rejected the notion: "Hail to the King."  Why should we now embrace: "Hail to the United States"?

The term "allegiance" is described in the Webster Dictionary: "The tie or obligation of a subject to his sovereign or government; the duty of fidelity to a king, government, or state."

Considering the term allegiance, and the hierarchical relationship between the people, the State, and the federal government, as recorded in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and to the United States, should be abolished. All who work for government should be required, every morning, to pledge their allegiance to the people whom they serve; and to reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. This would be a daily reminder of their status, and their servile position. It is predictable that their attitude would change.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2012, 08:25:00 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWhRObVxrM&ob=av2n[/youtube]

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition.
And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day.
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It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2012, 08:33:24 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWhRObVxrM&ob=av2n[/youtube]

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition.
And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2012, 08:37:03 PM »
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... but when I was in highschool in 08...

I didn't know this primitive was just a child.  Hard to know on DU because even the 60 & 70 year olds there reason like children.

High School in 08.  That would make him around 25 since, no doubt, third grade were five of the best years of his life.

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2012, 06:23:54 AM »
The Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

Well, everyone has DUpid moments.  :thatsright:

In other news, I can't BS myself...

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Re: Let's Bash the Pledge!
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2012, 06:56:00 AM »
Well, everyone has DUpid moments.  :thatsright:

In other news, I can't BS myself...

I got ya covered  :tongue:






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