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Ethics of a general strike
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:59:08 PM »
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redgiant (92 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Oct-27-11 04:34 PM
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Ethics of a general strike
   
If a general strike is effective in largely shutting down the economic activity in a city (highly unlikely, but let's assume), it means that hundreds, if not thousands of workers won't be able to work even if they don't want to participate in the strike. This might be because transportation is shut down or the businesses they work for are unable to operate normally. Loss of a day's pay would likely result.

What are the ethics of essentially conscripting the unwilling to participate in a general strike?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2197295

I doubt half a dozen moonbats "striking" on Friday will even be noticed by most people.
I think it's cute that you think that a general strike is actually going to shut down anything.

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1. What are the ethics of keeping our economy "running" the way it currently is?
   

:shrug:

We can fix that on Jan 20th, 2013.

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14. Not a separate issue at all in fact it is the entire point. If the system is bad enough then
   
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not taking part in it is the most ethical thing you can do. To someone partaking in a general strike the issues you bring up do not matter and from a moral stand point should not matter according to this justification.

If the cause is just and the system is unjust, then the top 1% in power are responsible for the fallout of the general strike. Blaming those on strike is just blaming the victim.

Yeah you all suffer so bad living in this country.  :whatever:

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6. Unemployment is over 10% officially. Likely closer to15%
   
in reality.

People have very little to lose any more.
   

I could have sworn that we were supposed to be celebrating that 0bama has decreased unemployment down to 9.0%.  :rotf:

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22. The point is that the general strike says "Without us, you can't function"
   
That people not willing to participate can't function is their own problem.

Yeah because God knows that society will collapse overnight if a bunch of chronically unemployed hippies "strike".  :rotf:
For everyone of you jackwagons that "strike" there are probably 10 people willing to take your job and work for the man. These people are commonly known as grownups, they work so they can provide for themselves even if it isn't their dream job.

I really think they are so cute, thinking that they are going to bring the 1% to their knees tomorrow.  :rotf:

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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 09:00:17 PM »
The question now is when this "General Strike" proves ineffective, which it will, what rationalization will the primitives spew?  Will they somehow make up enough instances to claim that it really *was* effective, will they claim too short of a notice was provided, ...?  The one thing we know they won't do is face the truth.

I'm betting on a combo of both; there wasn't enough time to get the word out, but where it was heard we'll have stories of how it brought truth to power to the capitalist machine.

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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 09:01:22 PM »
If a bunch of loafers walked out, who'd notice?  Well, the smell might improve and the food in the cafeteria might taste a little better, but really, what else?
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 09:11:14 PM »
I have one friend who is already pissed because some Occupy protestors prevented her from getting to a meeting on time.  I would love to see the reaction after they have caused widespread disruptions of peoples day.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 09:23:00 PM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on October 27, 2011, 09:11:14 PM
I have one friend who is already pissed because some Occupy protestors prevented her from getting to a meeting on time.  I would love to see the reaction after they have caused widespread disruptions of peoples day.

Go to any neighborhood around Zuccotti Park.  Of course, don't expect the MSM to report on it.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 10:15:02 PM »
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Unemployment is over 10% officially. Likely closer to15%
   
in reality.

People have very little to lose any more.

That was what the workers paradise of the eu during the Bush prosperity years of 200-2007. Yeah, you want eusocialist policies, reap eusocialist unemployment.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 06:05:19 AM »
Odd to see ethics raised in such a forum.

I thought half the point of a strike was to cause the maximum disruption possible to the general public, to get their anger involved in the fight...that's why there's such opposition to 'blackleg' labour or management picking up the slack. It certainly seemed that way last time there was a strike on the London Tube - the more lines closed, the more disruption to commuters the better.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 06:13:48 AM »
I say make it happen Cap'n.    :rotf: 

Imagine a day, a week, a month, a year without a single moonbat messing up your day.

Oh Lord, I gave myself excitement chills just thinking about it.   :-)
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 06:28:20 AM »
Ethics of a general strike ...to hell with ethics, Air Strike, carpet bomb. :-)
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 07:44:03 AM »
OK, so how is everyone's day going?  Things seem pretty normal here, everyone at work, no changes in traffic.  Power's on.  Roads are open.  Little airport down the street is open.  News was snoozy this morning, no great shakes.   :yawn:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 01:21:11 PM »
That's like worrying about the ethics of how to spend the money 'when' you win the PowerBall.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 01:27:05 PM »
Quote from: Karin on October 28, 2011, 07:44:03 AM
OK, so how is everyone's day going?  Things seem pretty normal here, everyone at work, no changes in traffic.  Power's on.  Roads are open.  Little airport down the street is open.  News was snoozy this morning, no great shakes.   :yawn:

Why?  Is something supposed to be happening?

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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 01:34:22 PM »
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redgiant (92 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Oct-27-11 04:34 PM
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Ethics of a general strike

...What are the ethics of essentially conscripting the unwilling to participate in a general strike?


I wouldn't be doing that unless y'all have first responders/medics in your mob of useful idiots who are whiz-bang awesome at treating bloody stumps and sucking chest wounds.

(BTW, the treatment for a sucking chest wound does NOT include "medical marijuana", DUmbshit.)  :wink:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 01:37:17 PM »
Since when were democrats worried about ethics?   :whatever:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 01:40:32 PM »
Quote from: Erasmus on October 28, 2011, 01:37:17 PM
Since when were democrats worried about ethics?   :whatever:

They don't, really.  They just like saying the word a lot whenever news cameras are on 'em.  It makes 'em sound less unethical. (they think)  :rotf:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 08:21:10 PM »
Wasn't there a poll recently on DU, asking employment status?
As I recall, of the responders, about 50% were not.
Seems to me, if the other 50% went "on strike", nobody would notice thirty people not showing up for work.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 09:16:52 PM »
It's just after 7pm...

Everything is calm here.  My drive to work was pleasant.  Put in my eight hours.  Drive home was pleasant too.  There was some guy tailgating me for awhile, but I just ignored him.  Now I am home, cuddling up with my little girl while she plays Angry Birds.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 09:21:16 PM »
Ethics???  :bs: :rotf:

Those filthy hippies can't even spell the word, let alone understand its meaning.

This sort of stuff can't be made up~

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/occupy-madison-loses-permit-1.2669111#.TqtjJPScesI
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 10:16:00 PM »
Quote from: FreeBorn on October 28, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Ethics???  :bs: :rotf:

Those filthy hippies can't even spell the word, let alone understand its meaning.

This sort of stuff can't be made up~

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/occupy-madison-loses-permit-1.2669111#.TqtjJPScesI
Please bear witth me as I cherry pick a couple statements from that site. :rotf:
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"[The protest] is indeed a work in progress," Streeter said. "We will continue to address issues as they come up."
As you said, FB.
You just can't make this up. :lmao:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 11:57:28 PM »
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Oct-27-11 04:48 PM
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6. Unemployment is over 10% officially. Likely closer to15%
   
in reality.

People have very little to lose any more.

I thought the unemployment rate was 99%?
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2011, 12:30:26 AM »
This DU thread underscores a basic truth about the liberal mindset:

No matter how inconvenient liberal activities may be for other people, liberalism always comes first.
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2011, 11:57:05 AM »
Quote from: Skul on October 28, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
Please bear witth me as I cherry pick a couple statements from that site. :rotf:As you said, FB.
You just can't make this up. :lmao:
It just keeps getting better and better, all over the country~



http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111028/NEWS03/710289961

And these people really see themselves as the logical and righteous saviors of America?  :lmao:
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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2011, 05:16:27 PM »
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6. Unemployment is over 10% officially. Likely closer to15%
   
in reality.

People have very little to lose any more.
In poor, stupid Beth's family, the unemployment rate always hovers near 100%, so I can understand her confusion.

The only one who's ever worked is her son, the drug dealer. He's been employed for several years in a license plate factory.



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Re: Ethics of a general strike
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2011, 10:06:37 AM »
Quote from: FreeBorn on October 28, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Ethics???  :bs: :rotf:

Those filthy hippies can't even spell the word, let alone understand its meaning.

This sort of stuff can't be made up~

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/occupy-madison-loses-permit-1.2669111#.TqtjJPScesI

Love the line at the end of the article:

"Occupy Madison is relocating onto Olin Terrace until Monday when Freak Fest is over, and they can request a new permit for 30 on the Square."

Is that because they can't have two events with the same name at the same time?
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