There are NO "Fringe Leftists" posting at DU.

[RWKindaGuy]

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 09:54 AM
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There are NO "Fringe Leftists" posting at DU.
   
I have been here daily since February 2001,
and have NEVER read a serious post from a DUer advocating for
the confiscation of all Personal Property,
and having the citizens formed into Collectives to work for the government.
THAT is a "Fringe Left" position.

There ARE some "Fringe leftists" in the USA, but they are a very small minority,
and you won't see them here at DU, or with a voice in the National Media.

Our Media & The Large Corporations who fund it would be happy to have America believe that mainstream FDR/LBJ values
are "The Fringe Left", and are equally "balanced" by the Far Right Tea Party,
because THAT would move the mythological "Center" FAR to the Right.
You will even see that myth propagated at DU.

What you see at DU are the Mainstream-Center Pro-Working Class FDR/LBJ Democrats
advocating FOR traditional Democratic Values.

bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #64
181. I think you missed the point.
   
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 04:41 PM by bvar22
Democratic Socialism, and even pure Socialism is FAR from the "Left Fringe."
You have to go WAY farther out to The Left to find the ideological counter balance to the Tea Baggers.
You would have to go ALL the way to Single Party Authoritarian Communism to reach the "Fringe Left",
and THOSE people will indeed take your X-BOX,
and put you into a Labor Camp for having one.

THAT is the "Fringe Left".
Democratic Socialism is Weak Tea compared to the Fringe Left.

Wow, just W.O.W.

And then morphs into a discussion of Socialism vs private property ...

Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 10:02 AM
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6. I've been here since 2003 and have seen people advocate for the confiscation of personal property
   
But I haven't seen people advocate for "the citizens formed into Collectives to work for the government."

I have seen people defend that sort of thing in NK.

white_wolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 01:43 PM
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121. If by others you mean Marxists then you are wrong.
   
Since communists are usually what is meant by fringe left and what springs to mind when people talk about ending capitalism. Marx never advocated the end of personal property, private property i.e. the means of production would end. However, you'd still keep you house, computer, etc. I've never heard a leftist advocated ending personal property.

Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 10:03 AM
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7. Yep. What you said. 100%
   
I am a Socialist, but even I don't advocate the confiscation of private property

Even though, this is done daily in the war on drugs

Much much more at the link.

[Ralph Wiggum]

bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Jul-25-11 09:54 AM
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There are NOTHING but "Fringe Leftists" posting at DU.

FIFY, bvar.

[Ballygrl]

The fact that a Moderate Democrat gets pizza'd if they dare have a view that doesn't mesh with the majority tells me that there are fringe leftists there and they rule the board. I've spoken to people online who are Democrats who said DU was crazy and that they were not allowed to express a "normal" view.

[Airwolf]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[Celtic Rose]

See, this is what happens when you use improper definitions for things.  He has decided that the "fringe" of the left wing is those who advocate the confiscation of personal property (which I have seen over there by the way) so all the other socialist and communist posters are defined as "not fringe", when in reality they are both very, very far left.  Most Tea Partiers advocate smaller government, but they are not libertarians, which is where I generally place the far right marker.  

[USA4ME]

Yes, Skin's island is made up of the looney Angry Left.  Trying to redefine what is and isn't the "fringe left" won't work since those on the island don't get to define it; we do.

Bur regardless of how the primitives want to define themselves, their ideology  when put into practice doesn't even come close to working and is unworthy of anything other than laughter and scorn.

BTW, the position of "advocating for the confiscation of all Personal Property, and having the citizens formed into Collectives to work for the government" is generally the position of anarchists (minus the "gov't part since they believe all forms of gov't are undesirable).  Anarchists don't view themselves as either left or right, so this primitive is placing them in a category of which they don't approve just like he crying about being placed in a category he doesn't like.  Tough, bvar22, you need to just accept the fact that you're a kook.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

My goodness, that drivel has +411 Recommendations.

[Karin]

Enormous bonfire.

Odin2005  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-25-11 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #94
208. Because people are fed anti-Socialist propaganda their whole lives.
 People are brainwashed into conflating personal possessions with private property. Something is only private property if it is used to exploit others. A home owned by the family that lives in it is a personal possession. If that family rents out the home to somebody else for a profit THEN it becomes private property.

Free rent for all NOW!

So now the simple act of buying and selling goods and services is exploitation.  How dare we.

blindpig (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-25-11 01:25 PM
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27. The means of production should be expropriated.....
 
for the use and benefit of the working class.

That guy is the worst of all the commies over there.

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-26-11 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #267
276. Yes, I come to DU to learn stuff.

LOL

Flubadubya  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-25-11 01:43 PM
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42. Hear, hear bvarr22
 Just this weekend I was accused of being "fringe left" here on DU... and this was from a self-proclaimed "moderate" who vowed and sweared that she was definitely the saner of us. LOL!

She said I was "fringe, deranged, mentally ill, and live in a fantasy world" and that I was suffering "from unrealistic, self-destructive stupidity of my own behavior and expectations".

 

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[thundley4]

WTF?  We've seen repeated threads where the DUmmies demand the confiscation of everything from the "wealthy" including putting them in prison.  If that isn't fringe left, then I don't know what is. 

[Karin]

I screwed up my quote tags.  Sorry, I don't usually do that. 

Yeah, somebody on that thread pointed out that in the Latin America section there, there are some who not only favor confiscating all property, those who disagree and say so should be thrown in prison.  Somebody replied with monumental bullshit spin. 

I've never spent time in the Latin America section.  Bet we could find some real doozies there. 

[dandi]

bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 09:54 AM
Original message
There are NO "Fringe Leftists" posting at DU.
   
I have been here daily since February 2001,
and have NEVER read a serious post from a DUer advocating for
the confiscation of all Personal Property

No?

blindpig (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jul-08-11 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Naw
   

Confiscate their portfolios without compensation, that'll draw their fangs.

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undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon May-18-09 12:23 AM
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40. I'm scared of it

Privatization leads to misery for most riches for a few off our misery.

I am tired of that sour old shit of privatizing,I don't think corporations should have any rights or person hood.I wish corporations that put profits over life were shut down and the Ceo's and executive boards got kicked into the gutters,locked up and were hated,all of 'em.

And the wealth confiscated from the pigs was put into the people's service, no republicans could touch it,no military, no corporate,no religions,and no skimming off the top by ANY politician or rich person.Privatization is a failure because private run anything becomes for profit.Profit,getting something more for nothing more is theft and it has to DIE.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Mon Apr-19-10 11:16 PM
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3. I wish I could recommend this multiple times
 I'd be up all night clicking away.

Enough. Tax the bastards until they're crying real tears this time and make it a constitutional amendment and make absolutely all school textbooks teach why it's done this way. Make it impossible for another slick talking snake oil salesman to do this to the country, ever again.

Or bring on the guillotine and confiscate all their ill gotten gains, pay back the debt they ran up, and make sure their children know poverty so they'll know that's what we want to avoid.

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anonymous171  (1000+ posts)        Wed Feb-17-10 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Assets and wealth that are just sitting around in private banks do nothing for society

 Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 01:28 PM by anonymous171

The government should confiscate them and put them to good use for the community. 

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Donnachaidh  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-28-09 02:26 PM
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17. round up all the hedge fund managers and send them to GITMO, after we confiscated
   
ALL their holdings, foreign and domestic.

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This type of shit goes on all of the time, DUmbass.  You should be more aware of your surroundings before you speak, otherwise you may look stupid.

[Ballygrl]

My Mom was 1 of 7 kids, when they all came of age in the 1950's 6 of them were staunch Democrats, 1 was considered a Socialist, by the 1970's 6 of them were Republicans, and the socialist is now a staunch Conservative, the only hold-out was my Mother, she started voting Republican in the 80's and switched to the Republican party about 7 years ago. It's the "no fringe leftists" who drove a family of staunch Democrats to become Republicans.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie says, "Taverner   7. Yep. What you said. 100%
   
I am a Socialist, but even I don't advocate the confiscation of private property"

Yep, what the government has stolen from others and given to me is mine dammit...[DU/mode]

[Chris_]

What do these mouthbreathers think they're doing every time they scream for newer and higher taxes?

[DumbAss Tanker]

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-26-11 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #267
276. Yes, I come to DU to learn stuff.

That explains so very, very much about how she came to be known as the stupidest person on internet.

[delilahmused]

Socialism is nothing more than a way for envious losers to take what they're incapable of producing for themselves. For a group of people who pretend to carry the whole legacy of "peace & love" they are absolutely obsessed with money and "things".

Cindie

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Socialism is nothing more than a way for envious losers to take what they're incapable of producing for themselves. For a group of people who pretend to carry the whole legacy of "peace & love" they are absolutely obsessed with money and "things".

Cindie

The lurkers, of course, will squeal at your suggestion but I will submit for examination:

Socialists will howl in protest at the thought of SocSec and Medicaid being means tested. To them, if you "need" money or simply say you need money it should be given to you with few, if any, questions asked.

However, their single-greatest argument in support of elective abortion is they don't want children being born into poverty.

OPM: no means testing
Life: means tested

[WinOne4TheGipper]

I think the DUmmie is right.  There are no fringe Leftists there.  They're all already way off the deep end.

[dandi]

One more for the DUmbass in denial.

saras (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-28-11 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. We have a winner!
 Yep - the only thing bullies respond to is superior force. Unpleasant but true. We need to separate the actual bullies involved from the social and economic mechanisms by which they wield power, then treat them like the bullies they are. The obvious way would be to freeze all their assets, or use the legal system to systematically confiscate them.

It's what we keep waiting for the Dems to do, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that they won't ever get the collective cojones.

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[Duke Nukum]

I've seen plenty of calls on DU for a "single payer" health care system. Therefore, there are plenty of "fringe leftists" posting at DU. QED.

[LC EFA]

No fringe leftists on DU ?

Yeah - Just like there are "No American Troops inside Baghdad" .

[Mike220]

No fringe leftists on DU ?

Yeah - Just like there are "No American Troops inside Baghdad" .

"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad"

I guess Baghdad Bob got a new job. 

[Ballygrl]

"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad"

I guess Baghdad Bob got a new job. 

[Freeper]

Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Jul-25-11 10:03 AM
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7. Yep. What you said. 100%
   
I am a Socialist, but even I don't advocate the confiscation of private property

Even though, this is done daily in the war on drugs

Hey Einstein, socialism is based on confiscation of private property. Where do you think the money comes from to fund all your socialist dreams?