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Ayn Rand Collected SS
« on: January 26, 2011, 05:35:24 PM »
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I've been watching this thread for a while now.  I don't think the DUmmies know the difference between collecting SS and collecting SS disability.  I seriously don't think they understand that someone who is drawing SS benefits are actually drawing against something they have put into vs. someone who is drawing SSDI who is taking from a system they have no investment in.

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Ayn Rand Collected SS
 
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Between December 1974 and her death in March 1982, Rand collected a total of $11,002 in monthly Social Security payments. O’Connor received $2,943 between December 1974 and his death in November 1979.

The couple registered for benefits shortly after Rand, a two-pack-a-day smoker, had surgery for lung cancer in the summer of 1974. Medicare had been enacted nine years earlier in the Social Security Act of 1965 to provide health insurance to those age 65 and older.

Rand herself called altruism a “basic evil” and referred to those who perpetuate the system of taxation and redistribution as “looters” and “moochers.” She wrote in her book “The Virtue of Selfishness” that accepting any government controls is “delivering oneself into gradual enslavement.” In a 1972 edition of her newsletter, she said:


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Morally and economically, the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull. Morally, the chance to satisfy demands by force spreads the demands wider and wider, with less and less pretense at justification. Economically, the forced demands of one group create hardships for all others, thus producing an inextricable mixture of actual victims and plain parasites. Since need, not achievement, is held as the criterion of rewards, the government necessarily keeps sacrificing the more productive groups to the less productive, gradually chaining the top level of the economy, then the next level, then the next.


Rand often spoke of moral absolutism, saying “There can be no compromise on basic principles,” but the realities of aging and illness seem to have softened her stance. Social Security, and perhaps Medicare, allowed Rand and her husband to maintain their quality of life, remain in their apartment and live out their final years with dignity.
 

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23. when the tea party first started you know what their call to arms was?
 
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their next door neighbor free loading and possibly get a mortgage modification.

Not the banks, not wall street, not derivatives, not credit default swaps, not corporate greed.

Their neighbors were free loaders, stupid and living beyond their means.

the whole thing makes me sick. PUKE is right!

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Wonder which word was misspelled?  Puke?  default? Free loading? 

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neverforget  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-25-11 08:42 PM
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33. They're freeloaders but don't touch my SS or Medicare!
 hypocrites


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fascisthunter  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-25-11 08:09 PM
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8. I know plenty of righties on SS
 bunch of selfish goons.

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charlie  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-25-11 08:11 PM
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12. Atlas Mooched n/t

It's a huge, long thread.  I just don't think they understand the difference between contributing and not contributing.  That is the big disconnect for them.  They really don't realize they have no skin in the game.

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 05:38:03 PM »
Ayn Rand paid for it, she was forced to invest is SS.  She should get her money back.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2011, 05:39:41 PM »
Quote from: jukin on January 26, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
Ayn Rand paid for it, she was forced to invest is SS.  She should get her money back.

Exactly
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 05:40:17 PM »
I'm sure that by 1974, Ayn Rand was at least 65 years old, and so that was social security retirement, to which she had contributed.

It surprises me, the amount, though--$11,000 in a little over seven years?

Maybe we should scale the retarded cross-eyed Iowa primitive's, and the subway cat's, and the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive's payments back to something like that, so as to save the disability money for those who honestly need it.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 05:44:22 PM »
The goons bitchin about conservatives taking SS, is like complaining that conservatives take their tax refunds. In both cases it is money taken from them by govt force.

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2011, 05:45:57 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on January 26, 2011, 05:40:17 PM
I'm sure that by 1974, Ayn Rand was at least 65 years old, and so that was social security retirement, to which she had contributed.

It surprises me, the amount, though--$11,000 in a little over seven years?

Maybe we should scale the retarded cross-eyed Iowa primitive's, and the subway cat's, and the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive's payments back to something like that, so as to save the disability money for those who honestly need it.

That was what shocked me too frank.  Imagine paying all that money in and getting $11,000.00 back and the DUmmies somehow think Ayn Rand was being 'supported' by a system she, like most of us, wanted nothing to do with.

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2011, 06:00:48 PM »
One has to keep in mind that in order to pay in to SS one must be doing some productive activity.

I am sure many primitives think of SS as a freebie.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2011, 07:45:36 PM »
Newsflash, DUmmies--even in 1974, $200 a month wasn't shit.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2011, 07:57:09 PM »
Quote from: Carl on January 26, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
I am sure many primitives think of SS as a freebie.
For most of them, who collect SSI, it is.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 12:28:40 AM »
Darned right I'm going to grab back as much as I can from SS to recoup my losses.

Refund what I've already paid in and exempt me from future confiscation, and I'll gladly do without it.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 12:41:37 AM »
Quote from: dandi on January 27, 2011, 12:28:40 AM
Darned right I'm going to grab back as much as I can from SS to recoup my losses.

Refund what I've already paid in and exempt me from future confiscation, and I'll gladly do without it.

Exactly how I feel. Give me back all of the money I paid in and I'll do it on my own. Of course, we ALL know that ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 04:28:52 AM »
Quote from: dandi on January 27, 2011, 12:28:40 AM
Darned right I'm going to grab back as much as I can from SS to recoup my losses.

Refund what I've already paid in and exempt me from future confiscation, and I'll gladly do without it.

Hell, I'd be happy if they just stopped taking it, and they can keep what they already have taken from me...
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 05:26:17 AM »
Nothing seems to enrage a moonbat more than the mere mention of Rand's name.

Typically ignorant asswipes.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 05:39:17 AM »
Quote from: The Hollywood NeoCon on January 27, 2011, 05:26:17 AM
Nothing seems to enrage a moonbat more than the mere mention of Rand's name.

Typically ignorant asswipes.

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2011, 06:23:27 AM »
Lurking DUmmies,since you are too lazy to do it I will give you a link from the first page of a simple Google search of the words "Noam Chomsky Hypocrite.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=noam+chomsky+hypocrite&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2011, 06:59:49 AM »
Quote from: Carl on January 27, 2011, 06:23:27 AM
Lurking DUmmies,since you are too lazy to do it I will give you a link from the first page of a simple Google search of the words "Noam Chomsky Hypocrite.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=noam+chomsky+hypocrite&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2011, 07:45:03 AM »
Ayn Rand was born in February 1905, which means this was, obviously, old age and retirement social security, into which she had paid.

Since one was allowed to begin drawing at 62 years of age--she began drawing some months shy of 65--probably her illness compelled her to file early, which reduced the monthly amount she was given.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2011, 09:38:43 AM »
The Government took your contributions to it from you in the form of FICA or the Self-Employment Tax, there is certainly no shame in collecting them back in accordinace with the rules under which the money was taken in the first place.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2011, 09:47:35 AM »
Quote from: jukin on January 26, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
Ayn Rand paid for it, she was forced to invest is SS.  She should get her money back.

Exactly.  We're all forced to pay into it, yet I have absolutely no expectation of getting any $$$ back.  Anything I would possibly receive is only a bonus.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2011, 12:34:01 PM »
Ugh.  I used to belong to a book of the month club, and if you didn't send the slip of paper back in time, the featured book was sent automatically.  I forgot, and they sent me a Chomsky book.  It's sitting on my bookshelf, what should I do with this thing? 
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2011, 12:43:59 PM »
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Ugh.  I used to belong to a book of the month club, and if you didn't send the slip of paper back in time, the featured book was sent automatically.  I forgot, and they sent me a Chomsky book.  It's sitting on my bookshelf, what should I do with this thing?

eBay. The world of eBay includes countless moonbats.

Actually, it could be worse. It could be one of those plagiarized pamphlets published at DUmmy Raven's expense, written by her colossal disappointment, the hopeless alcoholic William Rivers Pitt. In that case, eBay would be a waste of time.
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2011, 12:53:54 PM »
Quote from: jukin on January 26, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
Ayn Rand paid for it, she was forced to invest is SS.  She should get her money back.

I been payin' in for 40 years! I'll never get back what I have paid into it, DUmbass! Just cause I'm a righty I'm supposed to give it to you? May work in Uranus, but not in my universe!

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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 01:04:53 PM »
Quote from: Karin on January 27, 2011, 12:34:01 PM
Ugh.  I used to belong to a book of the month club, and if you didn't send the slip of paper back in time, the featured book was sent automatically.  I forgot, and they sent me a Chomsky book.  It's sitting on my bookshelf, what should I do with this thing? 

Well, are ya out of TP yet? Or if ya have a wood stove, the pages and a little "Old Indian Trick", ( diesel ), work great as fire starter!
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Re: Ayn Rand Collected SS
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2011, 01:11:26 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on January 27, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
eBay. The world of eBay includes countless moonbats.

Actually, it could be worse. It could be one of those plagiarized pamphlets published at DUmmy Raven's expense, written by her colossal disappointment, the hopeless alcoholic William Rivers Pitt. In that case, eBay would be a waste of time.

And therefore, an ironically appropriate destination for one of his overpunctuated bloviations.
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