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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018494038
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,113 posts)
Arguing with one's self causes headaches.
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Well, I kinda met someone, OK I met them earlier, but I was with my ex at the time and really just left it as friends. He has showed some romantic interest now that my ex is out of the picture. He has invited me to come stay at his place on the reservation.
He is six foot, right out of a darn Harlequin Novel! If he ends up making a move... I don't know if I will want to say no.
Going out there, riding some horses, meeting some of his friends does interest me. It would be a nice vacation from what I am going through.
Boy! What is a girl to do!!!!
Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:54 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,113 posts)
3. OH WHO AM I KIDDING!
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Keep my mind off other thoughts??
He is 6 foot, ripped! I know for a fact he likes to ride without a shirt on. He has super dark eyes and hair that falls all the way down his back!
Keeping my mind from other thoughts? Yeah right!
It looks like her problems are solved.
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So much so the exSO Dave... Who cares about him now anyway...he is in the VA hospital and has lost the home they had together so he turned out to be useless for Amber's purposes anyway... Now this Tall dark long haired Indian might just be the next big meal ticket for her.
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Cute story!!!! Ugh! :lmao:
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Someone said Amber was blowing mexicans for a living.
Those weren't mexicans, they were Indians.
Racist.
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The Indian must be a cannibal.
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No, she took her imaginary Indian out of the movies. Long dark hair down his back, and ripped? I don't tend to see that at the Mohawk rez.
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How does one take a vacation from being a homeless parasite?
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I'll bet he wears warpaint, rides bareback, and carries a long spear with eagle feathers streaming from it.
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I find it hard to believe long dark hair down his back, and ripped would even look twice at something that looks like Amber.
I personally think the Indian is imaginary too.
And that was a bouncy tail...
I do have to give her credit for starting it with...Well instead of the usual So....
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The Indian must be a cannibal.
I hope he washes his food before he eats it.
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(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/11_08_06_0747_zps20ef9725.jpg) (http://lexfridman.com/blogs/training/files/2013/02/crying-indian.jpg)
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I've seen the women on the Cherokee reservation nearby. Amber looks like skinny minny compared to them. And firewater can do strange things to a man's mind, though I'm pretty sure you can't drink enough to burn that image out of your head.
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She *thinks* this guy is an Apache:
Response to HarveyDarkey (Reply #4)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:59 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,116 posts)
5. Can't argue with the logic of your post.
My problem is keeping my hands off one "Apache Romeo" if he makes a move. That is if I decide to take his tempting offer to visit!
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I find it hard to believe long dark hair down his back, and ripped would even look twice at something that looks like Amber.
I personally think the Indian is imaginary too.
And that was a bouncy tail...
I do have to give her credit for starting it with...Well instead of the usual So....
I think she was stinking up the public library reading a Harlequin paperback when she came up with this fantasy, she's probably still there.
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She *thinks* this guy is an Apache:
:rotf:
There ARE Apache in AZ, of course, with a reservation and everything. Chief Sheneedsthreebaggah could not be reached for comment, however.
(http://www.fancy-dress-forever.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/7389_b.jpg)
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Indians get government freebies don't they? That's all she needs to know.
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Is the Apache a vet, too? Amber claims she met him at the VA in this old thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023784594
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #17)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:33 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,118 posts)
19. Can't agree more.
This guy went through some things people should not. The first time I saw him was at the VA when I was up there with my ex. We talked about it. I could only halfway understand, my PTSD came from the Joplin Tornado, not from pure war. But some of the after we saw was similar.
That is why I think he let me come up to him was that he remembered talking with me.
Run, Chief, run!!!!!
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Stop it, Amber, you're killin' me!!
She's giving me flashbacks to the best, worst, funniest music video ever made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK5ZOjWaXE
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It boggles the mind!
As often as we have read DUmmy rants about the down-trodden Native Americans, the way the rest of the country has neglected, rejected, abused, and mistreated them, how in the world can they possibly condone LadyFreedumb's efforts to foist herself on some imaginary "Apache Romeo"?
Have they not seen the same photos that we have seen? Or read the same posts?
Why do they hate Native Americans?
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No, she took her imaginary Indian out of the movies. Long dark hair down his back, and ripped? I don't tend to see that at the Mohawk rez.
It's really rare with the Pima, Yaqui, and Apaches around Tucson, who tend to look more like Samoans bit with a lot less muscle and straighter hair.
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The Indian will soon be sing this....Please
Mr. CusterMrs. LFR I don't want to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0nHWAoIfxo
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Can you infest a teepee with bedbugs that has no bed? New Indian name translated "She who is heap bigum scratches like dog and smell like bear".
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I think she was stinking up the public library reading a Harlequin paperback when she came up with this fantasy, she's probably still there.
Probably just her fingers, but still. Ew. Relevant passage:
"Starla crossed her legs tightly and pressed her toes firmly against the metal rung of the chair, oblivious to all sounds inside the bustling Kentucky Fried Chicken. She frowned at her KFC Famous Bowl, wishing it would
magically turn into a filet of tenderloin with bearnaise. She reminded herself that in Arizona, if you want to catch yourself an Indian man, you'd better hang around a chicken joint. And in any case, who was she to judge? Fortune hadn't exactly shined on Starla since the bus brakes hissed and she tumbled out into the dry, hot Tucson night. She spent money foolishly on the trip from Missouri, and she was unlucky in finding work since her arrival. She doubted herself: was it her clothes? Her hairstyle? Her smell? She admitted to herself that she didn't feel like much of a catch for an employer, and in fact she knew that almost no man would look her way in her current state. Still, her memories of those few stolen moments with Leonard were enough to push those worries and concerns aside and hitch a ride to the KFC closest to the edge of town. Leonard. He had to have been named for the hero Leonard Peltier. He looked like Peltier, with that long, thick mane of luxurious black hair, and that thick mustache with almost no crumbs stuck inside. Their moments together all those years ago gave Starla hope, not in a relationship with him, per se, but hope that somewhere there were good men, even on an Indian reservation strewn with broken-down appliances, empty whiskey bottles, and piles of dirty diapers being nosed at by the javelina. The heat broke the distant air into waves as a speck appeared on the horizon. The speck grew into something red, then as it grew larger Starla could make out the grill of a mid-70's Ford pickup truck. Could it be him already, she wondered...him. The man who for a while took her mind off her troubles with Dave and caused her to furtively glide her fingertips across the swell of her belly, under the waist of her shorts, and down to the thick, humid mound gathering moisture between her thighs. Leonard. Leonard. Take me, Leonard. Take me in the cab of your truck. Please. I will pump your gas. I will fry your dough. I will walk to Walgreens off the Rez to buy you whiskey. Let it be me. Let me be your one-woman reparations. I won't break my treaty with you, Leonard. Oh, Leonard..."
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Last time a DUer was involved with an indian a cop jumped out of the bushes.
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Awesome, BFDU, true bodice-ripper material!
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She *thinks* this guy is an Apache:
:rotf:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Only thing I know about American Indians is from reading Louis La' More and he was not exactly kind to most tribes but he was to the Apache. He mentioned a time or two that of all the tribes the Apache were the most civilized within their tribe. The woman actually voted and had a say in tribal matters.
My advice to old Amber as a former Nurse, check the dude out first, if he is circumcised then he may have just enough Indian to allow him to live on the reservation.
I would not head for an Indian Reservation at this time, big investigation going on to why millions of federal funds never get to the residents, and with the government shut down, there are no federal officials left to steal from the food programs for the elderly or the kids.
But then as human nature goes, it may be the tribal elders at 1/32 Indian robbing their own people.
I would love to see DNA test done on the residents on the reservations today, I betcha only 50 out of
every 500 have more then 1/8 the DNA of the original Apaches.
I would like to do a DNA test that showed I squeaked under the percentage limit to move to Canada on a Mick Mack reservation. Darn I went through one of those and the Canadian Government has them set up in homes much better then mine.
Amber is nuts, we know that, this man she met may well be a cannibal or serial killer,
Like the Hawaiians who are proud of those that have even 1/8 Hawaiian DNA the American blood line is dieing out each year. Not the fault of anyone but themselves with intermarriage to the Spanish and those that left the reservation to make money building our sky scrapers.
Sorry Amber Tonto was Gay, and in Spanish the name Tonto means stupid. So I have been told.
Some how I think she ran into a black Village People impersonator from some dedication rock band playing gigs at truck stops.
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Awesome, BFDU, true bodice-ripper material!
:cheersmate:
I think Amber's gut does fine ripping its own bodice, but thanks. I aims to please. As does Amber.
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my PTSD came from the Joplin Tornado
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Did her hovel get knocked down? I'm curious what tangible damage she suffered as a result.
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:mental:
It's their new catch-all disability. You can get PTSD from just about anything that upsets you.
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It's their new catch-all disability. You can get PTSD from just about anything that upsets you.
Someone farted in my office last week and walked out.
Jerk.
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my PTSD came from the Joplin Tornado
Permanent Terrifyingly Stupid Disorder?
I did not know that tornadoes caused stupidity! You learn something new every day at the DUmp.
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Permanent Terrifyingly Stupid Disorder?
I did not know that tornadoes caused stupidity! You learn something new every day at the DUmp.
One wonders why Amber seems the only person from Joplin who still has PTSD from the long-ago tornado.
It was undeniably a horrifying experience, but all the other Joplinites, including her loving caring sisters and her ancient father, seem to have gotten over it a long time ago.
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It looks like her problems are solved.
It's credible the "Indian"'s real, although not near the "hunk" Amber describes him to be.
Probably some guy her eyes grabbed earlier, maybe in a soup line or something.
The rest is just wistful thinking, dreaming, fantasizing, on her part.
Primitives are like that, seeing the world as they wish it to be, not as it really is.
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Who would have thought peyote would have grown so close to the shelter? But she found it...and love.
She knew he was watching her. He had been standing across the street, waiting all day for her. Amber took another hit of peyote and the world swam. Staggering between the cars, she helplessly made her way to him.
Breathless, she took him in her arms and whispered, "Put down those cigars and make me a woman tonight!"
"It'll never work Amber dearest!"
Yes, it must! We can make it work!" She tried to drag him away, but he resisted. No. It wasn't him, but a chain, that bound his feet to the wall.
"What is this?!!" she cried. "Chains? Slavery? How can the one percent get away with this?!!"
"I love you Amber, but I'm just a cigar store Indian...and you...you are the Michelin Man."
"No! It can't end like this. Let me be your Hindenburg-ablaze with passion! Come with me, we'll hide in a ditch. The coyotes will test our love!"
The world swirled about her, and she awoke in jail. The inmates laughed at her. But Amber swore to get out and find her dream date once again. Nothing can stop the power of love!
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I thought it was going to be about the crying indian from the 1970s PSAs.
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Duke--naw, it's this "Indian"...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_c1A8tmHuI[/youtube]
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So much so the exSO Dave... Who cares about him now anyway...he is in the VA hospital and has lost the home they had together so he turned out to be useless for Amber's purposes anyway... Now this Tall dark long haired Indian might just be the next big meal ticket for her.
I've always wondered why the rabid feminists on DU never get all atwitter about why their liberal female brethren seem to float from man to man as their saving grace AND have such childish romanticized notions of love. As much as the feminazis might try it is their liberal female counterparts who seem stuck in the old stereotype of the helpless(without a guy), starry-eyed, distractable female.
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One wonders why Amber seems the only person from Joplin who still has PTSD from the long-ago tornado.
It was undeniably a horrifying experience, but all the other Joplinites, including her loving caring sisters and her ancient father, seem to have gotten over it a long time ago.
You know, that's right.
It's really interesting that Joplin is nearly rebuilt and by a week or two after the disaster you heard nothing about it. This is from a USA Today article on the two-year anniversary of the tornado this past spring:
Of the 7,500 homes that were damaged or destroyed, Rohr said 84% have been rebuilt, repaired or permitted for construction. He said 90% of the 550 businesses damaged in the storm have been rebuilt or repaired.
Compare that with the Katrina disaster that hit the lazy, dependent 0bamaites and their incredibly corrupt democrat government in New Orleans. Eight years after the hurricane, you can still see huge swaths of their former Ninth Ward reservation demolished like an H-bomb test site. Most of them just moved from the public dole in New Orleans to the public dole in Houston.
For five of those eight years, the jug-eared muslim has been in charge of federal disaster relief. I wonder why he hasn't fixed New Orleans?
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Allowing for some exaggeration about the "ripped" part, maybe she ran into Ward Churchill.
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It's their new catch-all disability. You can get PTSD from just about anything that upsets you.
The squadron I was in flew in and out of Da Nang and Chu Lai, RVN. Once the Enlisted Club ran out of all beers except for Carling Black Label, and even it was improperly chilled.
I was traumatized. I have PTSD.
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I don't remember hearing any stories about WWII vets getting PTSD or becoming homeless vets.
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The squadron I was in flew in and out of Da Nang and Chu Lai, RVN. Once the Enlisted Club ran out of all beers except for Carling Black Label, and even it was improperly chilled.
I was traumatized. I have PTSD.
Sadly, that story is more believeable as a cause of PTSD than the pap the DUmmies come up with. I was at Chu Lai in the Fall/Winter of 67 and remember the great beer drought. PTSD indeed.
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I don't remember hearing any stories about WWII vets getting PTSD or becoming homeless vets.
It did happen but not as much. PTSD wouldn't have been such a big thing after Vietnam except the media jumped on it to make another reason why we should never have gotten involved. It's a crying shame nowadays because there are vets who come back with real issues and need real help but they can't get it because too many numbnuts are clogging up the system and making anyone claiming PTSD look like a slacker weak-minded fool. Hopefully there will be a new diagnosis soon that specifically details combat situations as a prerequisite.
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Allowing for some exaggeration about the "ripped" part, maybe she ran into Ward Churchill.
Ripped:
(http://static.freepik.com/free-photo/black-shirt--black-trousers--fat--stomach_3260340.jpg)
Shirt
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No, she took her imaginary Indian out of the movies. Long dark hair down his back, and ripped? I don't tend to see that at the Mohawk rez.
Id say cartoons are more likely..
(http://data3.whicdn.com/images/13049098/tumblr_lls9s8YVFq1qd26v3o1_500_thumb.png)
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Who would have thought peyote would have grown so close to the shelter? But she found it...and love.
She knew he was watching her. He had been standing across the street, waiting all day for her. Amber took another hit of peyote and the world swam. Staggering between the cars, she helplessly made her way to him.
Breathless, she took him in her arms and whispered, "Put down those cigars and make me a woman tonight!"
"It'll never work Amber dearest!"
Yes, it must! We can make it work!" She tried to drag him away, but he resisted. No. It wasn't him, but a chain, that bound his feet to the wall.
"What is this?!!" she cried. "Chains? Slavery? How can the one percent get away with this?!!"
"I love you Amber, but I'm just a cigar store Indian...and you...you are the Michelin Man."
"No! It can't end like this. Let me be your Hindenburg-ablaze with passion! Come with me, we'll hide in a ditch. The coyotes will test our love!"
The world swirled about her, and she awoke in jail. The inmates laughed at her. But Amber swore to get out and find her dream date once again. Nothing can stop the power of love!
It's a hard thing to do, but you got a two thumbs up from my husband for your story, Mr. Mannn. He told me to high five you! I'm trying to get him to join up here.
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Just knowing you I can tell your husband is a man with good taste.
Thanks for the :hi5: and here's one right back at ya!
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PTSD is treatable, manageable, and perhaps even curable. It isn't or shouldn't be an excuse to some lifetime of slackerhood.
Amber says she has PTSD from the Joplin tornado, okay. I believe even trained first responders can be traumatized coming upon the scene of a particularly bad accident, so I'll spot her that. With her having literally no means, I guarantee the state of Arizona will pay for her to have sessions with a psychologist to help her through it. She doesn't need meds. It isn't a bad case. She probably has comorbid depression, which may need psyciatric treatment, PTSD would make the depression worse but not need medication by itself.
Amber, since you visit, I've visited layers of hell that you don't even know exist. So have a lot of my brothers and sisters. We are still functional. That we need help every now and then doesn't make us like you.
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I sense an epic novel coming up... in about 24 hours or so...
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It's a hard thing to do, but you got a two thumbs up from my husband for your story, Mr. Mannn. He told me to high five you! I'm trying to get him to join up here.
Tell him Biersmythe is here and they can build a Pontiac thread!!! :hyper:
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I sense an epic novel coming up... in about 24 hours or so...
Sounds just like the movie "Dances with Coyotes".
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It did happen but not as much. PTSD wouldn't have been such a big thing after Vietnam except the media jumped on it to make another reason why we should never have gotten involved. It's a crying shame nowadays because there are vets who come back with real issues and need real help but they can't get it because too many numbnuts are clogging up the system and making anyone claiming PTSD look like a slacker weak-minded fool. Hopefully there will be a new diagnosis soon that specifically details combat situations as a prerequisite.
I agree with you 100% on this. H5.
PTSD being used for bullshit like the primitives try to use it for only serves to dilute the real thing. Although I was never in the military (not for lack of trying on my part), I get aggravated when PTSD is used for some little minor foible.
Here is a question I do have- how, and to what extent are PTSD and shell shock related? Or are they classified as different things entirely?
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Got a sawbuck that says this is the injun she saw, and probably where she got the idea of sharing a saddle with 'im...
(http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/files/2013/07/theloneranger-tonto.png)
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Reservations tend to have a bunch of challenges. U.S. government provided healthcare being one of them. They sure don't need a non-contributing, non-Indian moving in.
Hey, Amber! As non-tribal, you don't get anything. Correction. Maybe some commodities. You can learn how to make pork and rice soup, or pork and spaghetti noodle soup with canned corn thrown in. Yum. Melt some of that processed cheese in it. Feed everyone else first, because YOU will be the hostess, I can guaran-damn-tee you that.
You can also kiss any electronics you have good bye. Phones, notebooks/pads, laptop. They will be going to the pawn shop. Just a part of communal property that many live by out there. That, and blood is way thicker than water.
You've gotten good advice over the past few days from people on this site. Too bad you won't take it.
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Kicked for Amber. :whistling:
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Life imitates art...
(http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1296356254l/2098580.jpg)
"How did you know the Indian's name was Art?"
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No, she took her imaginary Indian out of the movies. Long dark hair down his back, and ripped? I don't tend to see that at the Mohawk rez.
Bunch of drunks is the norm.
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Stop it, Amber, you're killin' me!!
She's giving me flashbacks to the best, worst, funniest music video ever made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK5ZOjWaXE
Booooooooooooo
Bass player uses a pick. :mad:
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I don't remember hearing any stories about WWII vets getting PTSD or becoming homeless vets.
It happened but didn't have a fancy phycho-babble name attached to it. Combat fatigue or shell shocked was the terms used at the time.
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I have never seen this girl but I did see the pic of the old guy Dave. I am just finding it hard to believe that the new Indian is ripped and right out of a romance novel. I mean just from past posts I just don't believe this. Are there pics anywhere? What does she look like?
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(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/11_08_06_0747_zps20ef9725.jpg) (http://lexfridman.com/blogs/training/files/2013/02/crying-indian.jpg)
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Here is a question I do have- how, and to what extent are PTSD and shell shock related? Or are they classified as different things entirely?
Shell shock and PTSD are the same thing - it's just gone through various names and symptomology since WWI in the various iterations of the DSM. Right now I would argue it's being used too much as a catch-all and serious treatment doesn't often follow the diagnosis which is a crying shame. There is good, solid, tested treatment out there but who the hell wants to ask for it if it means looking like a dummie?
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Tell him Biersmythe is here and they can build a Pontiac thread!!! :hyper:
I told him that, and that definitely got his attention. I'll add in the Pontiac thread possibility tonight and see if that doesn't get him moving.
:cheersmate:
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Say there's a young girl, about age 12, who was home alone with her mom when her mom had a massive heart attack and died right there. Would this episode qualify as possibly causing PTSD?
Possibly. But I've never used that as an excuse for any of my failures in life.
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One of the most amusing threads I've read in a while. :rotf:
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Say there's a young girl, about age 12, who was home alone with her mom when her mom had a massive heart attack and died right there. Would this episode qualify as possibly causing PTSD?
Possibly. But I've never used that as an excuse for any of my failures in life.
They need another name for it to distinguish what soldiers get vs what white trash heathens get. When you watch your buddies get shredded by bullets, or when you're forced to machine gun an entire squadron of the enemy, that can cause PTSD. When your mother dies and your house smells like rotting food and meth smoke, that's just HTSD (Hard Times Stress Disorder).
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One of the most amusing threads I've read in a while. :rotf:
I wonder if that tornado had sharks in it.
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sharknado!!!!!
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They need another name for it to distinguish what soldiers get vs what white trash heathens get. When you watch your buddies get shredded by bullets, or when you're forced to machine gun an entire squadron of the enemy, that can cause PTSD. When your mother dies and your house smells like rotting food and meth smoke, that's just HTSD (Hard Times Stress Disorder).
Are you calling me a white trash heathen? LOL. :panic: :panic:
What soldiers see in the line of duty must be truly horrifying to witness and relive, and the diagnosis of PTSD is warranted.
I guess my point is that nearly every human being will witness something shocking, scary, and traumatic at some point in life. If someone chooses to use that as a crutch for the rest of their life is up to them. DUmmies seem to think that having a hangnail should qualify for a PTSD diagnosis.
Also, if you notice, most people who have PTSD don't talk about it very much.
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When she was with her sisters her posts had some realistic detail. Now, they all have a hazy dreamlike quality. I'm going with the Coach on this, I think she has had a break with reality and probably needs institutionalization.
You know, we had a big tornado up here in northeastern Nebraska last Friday, about suppertime.
As an "E-4," I'm not sure it was as big as the one that hit Joplin, but I'm sure it was pretty big. Its path was two miles wide, and it sheared off the entire eastern part of Wayne, Nebraska, and part of the southern part. "Only" sixteen people were hurt, "only" one of them seriously, but one has to remember we aren't as crowded as southwestern Missouri.
By Saturday morning, even before anybody from state or federal agencies showed up, the people were already cleaning up, putting things back into order.
Now, I've never been through a tornado (I slept through one once, but that doesn't count), and of course it's undeniably a horrifying experience, probably enough to make someone crack, lose it (temporarily).
And here we got Amber alleging PTSD more than two years after she was in one. It appears to me she's using it as an excuse to get mood-altering drugs, and as a scapegoat for her self-imposed problems.
The fact of the matter is, nature kills. I'm sure that dutch508, longview, and Skul can back me up on this; living, or having once lived, in the Sandhills of Nebraska, we're fully aware of how hostile nature can be to us, at times. I'm sure that they, and I, have at various times been "almost killed" by one force or another of raw nature.
But we don't take it personally; it's the nature of nature, nothing can be done about it, and so one just gets by best one can.
It's different with combat duty. Nature is pretty indiscrimate about who it kills, but in combat, a specific human being is seeking to kill another specific human being. A human killing another human violates all of our standards of decency and civilization (although it's sometimes necessary, in fact imperative, if one wishes to survive).
And so I can see, easily, someone doing combat duty, getting PTSD.
Amber was never in combat duty, never in a situation where her life was threatened by another person. Amber merely encountered nature during one of its more-convulsive moments, and nature wasn't going after Amber specifically.
If this is a demontration of her strength of character, Amber might as well lie down and die, and humanity would be the no worse off.
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Amber might as well lie down and die, and humanity would be the no worse off.
You're underestimating the value of a democrat deadbeat's death.
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You're underestimating the value of a democrat deadbeat's death.
Yeah, on second thought, you're probably right.
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You're underestimating the value of a democrat deadbeat's death.
Worthless until the Dead DUmmy forum is active.
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Worthless until the Dead DUmmy forum is active.
If my fellow alum Skins doesn't hurry up and do that, we might start one here, in the DUmping Ground, to remember now-departed primitives.
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Are you calling me a white trash heathen? LOL. :panic: :panic:
What soldiers see in the line of duty must be truly horrifying to witness and relive, and the diagnosis of PTSD is warranted.
I guess my point is that nearly every human being will witness something shocking, scary, and traumatic at some point in life. If someone chooses to use that as a crutch for the rest of their life is up to them. DUmmies seem to think that having a hangnail should qualify for a PTSD diagnosis.
Also, if you notice, most people who have PTSD don't talk about it very much.
You're right, it all depends on how the event effects the individual. Some people are more resilient than others and can just shrug it off. Some people don't and experience flashbacks or nightmares or insomnia. It really all depends on the person.
The difference, as I see, from a military standpoint is the nature of the stress. Since Vietnam, we don't really have a "front line" anymore: there's a real threat of constant danger all the time, no matter where you are in theater. That level of stress starts to fray the nerves after awhile. Then, after a tour, you rotate home knowing that you can rotate back in country in x months. That doesn't really allow for a proper decompression. That's why I think military PTSD should be differentiated from other diagnoses.
Sure, you're going to be traumatized if you see your mother shot in front of you. You're also going to be traumatized if you grow up in a household where the abusive step-fathers rotate in and out on a regular basis and you don't know where your next meal is coming from. What each person does to work through that determines how healthy or unhealthy that individual is going to be.
And you're right - real people suffering from PTSD don't talk about it much - it's embarrassing. It doesn't need to be but it is.
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If my fellow alum Skins doesn't hurry up and do that, we might start one here, in the DUmping Ground, to remember now-departed primitives.
That would be nice. It's hard to remember the names of some of the primitives who have died, since they're no longer constantly refreshing the memory with their stupidity.
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Can PTSD really happen with a one-time scary event, or rather is it something that happens over prolonged exposure?
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Can PTSD really happen with a one-time scary event, or rather is it something that happens over prolonged exposure?
For normal people, it can be both. For DUmmies, all things not liberal cause PTSD.
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For normal people, it can be both. For DUmmies, all things not liberal cause PTSD.
So long as the cash keeps flowing, all things can cause PTSD.
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You're right, it all depends on how the event effects the individual. Some people are more resilient than others and can just shrug it off. Some people don't and experience flashbacks or nightmares or insomnia. It really all depends on the person.
The difference, as I see, from a military standpoint is the nature of the stress. Since Vietnam, we don't really have a "front line" anymore: there's a real threat of constant danger all the time, no matter where you are in theater. That level of stress starts to fray the nerves after awhile. Then, after a tour, you rotate home knowing that you can rotate back in country in x months. That doesn't really allow for a proper decompression. That's why I think military PTSD should be differentiated from other diagnoses.
Sure, you're going to be traumatized if you see your mother shot in front of you. You're also going to be traumatized if you grow up in a household where the abusive step-fathers rotate in and out on a regular basis and you don't know where your next meal is coming from. What each person does to work through that determines how healthy or unhealthy that individual is going to be.
And you're right - real people suffering from PTSD don't talk about it much - it's embarrassing. It doesn't need to be but it is.
I have seen first hand what authentic PTSD, what you refer to, does to a person. In my instance, it ended up with a fine soldier dead by his own hand. THAT is PTSD. What his fiancee, and his best friend, and the rest of us that had to clean up the mess afterwords, literally and figuratively, was simply a very bad thing that happened to us. NOT something that I classify as PTSD. But that's just me.
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I have seen first hand what authentic PTSD, what you refer to, does to a person. In my instance, it ended up with a fine soldier dead by his own hand. THAT is PTSD. What his fiancee, and his best friend, and the rest of us that had to clean up the mess afterwords, literally and figuratively, was simply a very bad thing that happened to us. NOT something that I classify as PTSD. But that's just me.
I am terribly sorry for your loss and experience. The truth is that fine soldier probably suffered and died needlessly and there is nothing sadder than to see a brave young man or woman make it safely through war only to become a casualty after they return home. It's maddening to see people fake this as a free lunch ticket: I wish there was more we could do here.
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I am terribly sorry for your loss and experience. The truth is that fine soldier probably suffered and died needlessly and there is nothing sadder than to see a brave young man or woman make it safely through war only to become a casualty after they return home. It's maddening to see people fake this as a free lunch ticket: I wish there was more we could do here.
Sadly, suicide is killing more soldiers than the battlefield.
They are constant complainers. :mental:
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Sadly, suicide is killing more soldiers than the battlefield.
Are these the soldiers that have had repeated tours of duty? In my mind, it's getting so bad, that I wonder if we could even get a strong standing army of volunteers anymore.
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I am terribly sorry for your loss and experience. The truth is that fine soldier probably suffered and died needlessly and there is nothing sadder than to see a brave young man or woman make it safely through war only to become a casualty after they return home. It's maddening to see people fake this as a free lunch ticket: I wish there was more we could do here.
Thank you. It's been 6 years this Sunday, so we are able to put some distance and perspective to the situation. I can't agree with your sentiment more. My darlin says that all of Nathan didn't come back home, and that's the dang truth. His son is near 12 years old, and won't ever personally know what a fine and brave man his Dad was. After all of his tours (4) come to find out, his worst enemy was his own self. I get pretty riled up when people throw out PTSD as an excuse for their inability to cope with what are simply just bad experiences. Mind you, my life has seen it's fair share of crappy stuff, some people might actually call some bits tragic, but that's just life. Period.
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Are these the soldiers that have had repeated tours of duty? In my mind, it's getting so bad, that I wonder if we could even get a strong standing army of volunteers anymore.
I'm not entirely sure (I'm not nor ever was in the military: closest I ever came was being a sound engineer on a USO tour back around 1990ish) but I believe that most military personnel are rotated through multiple tours. I recently heard a lecture from a counselor who has been in the business since he served in Vietnam and its his belief that multiple tours are harder to cope with emotionally because there's no real chance to properly decompress. We have, hands down no questions, the best military force ever seen on this planet, we need to learn how to better care for our men and women after they come home. That is literally the least we can do to honor their service.
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I got to page 3 before deciding this whole thing is too disturbing for me. Seeing a pic of her, and then knowing the fantasy is just too much. I ESPECIALLY didn't want to think about her fingers being stinky as she was concocting this fallacy;. :argh:
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How many libs are going to claim PTSD because of the computer glitches from Obamacare?
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How many libs are going to claim PTSD because of the computer glitches from Obamacare?
I'm not putting it past them to try.
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Thank you. It's been 6 years this Sunday, so we are able to put some distance and perspective to the situation. I can't agree with your sentiment more. My darlin says that all of Nathan didn't come back home, and that's the dang truth. His son is near 12 years old, and won't ever personally know what a fine and brave man his Dad was. After all of his tours (4) come to find out, his worst enemy was his own self. I get pretty riled up when people throw out PTSD as an excuse for their inability to cope with what are simply just bad experiences. Mind you, my life has seen it's fair share of crappy stuff, some people might actually call some bits tragic, but that's just life. Period.
Six years? I can't believe it's been that long already. I remember when that happened, and how it affected you, and those he left behind.
Damn girl, we've known each other almost eight years now.
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Here's to Amber and her new "Bo": :cheersmate:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHimj-crMrA[/youtube]
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Here's to Amber and her new "Bo": :cheersmate:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHimj-crMrA[/youtube]
Not bad. However, I envisioned something along these lines.
[youtube=425,350]www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlCBm_pEGEM‎[/youtube]
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Here's to Amber and her new "Bo": :cheersmate:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHimj-crMrA[/youtube]
Or maybe
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNAkbbKycCM[/youtube]
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Here's to Amber and her new "Bo": :cheersmate:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHimj-crMrA[/youtube]
:rofl: :lol: :-) :lmao: :rotf:
Nicely played, Diesel Driver...H-5!
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6RjP7MlXk[/youtube]
:rofl:
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-0PJo4yf4[/youtube]
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How weird this popped up!
(http://michaelhutchenceandme.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/cher-half-breed.jpg)
That song is in my head :panic:
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How weird this popped up!
(http://michaelhutchenceandme.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/cher-half-breed.jpg)
That song is in my head :panic:
Speak of the devil cupid stunt, she has only been making her stupid tweets because she needs to bring attention to herself because she has a new CD out.
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I'm not ready with my book yet, but first, here is what our "Amber Alert" is fantasizing about:
(http://www.keeyool.com/2fce.jpg)
Reality is a slap in the turd-passer, ain't it...
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Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,113 posts)
Well, I kinda met someone, OK I met them earlier, but I was with my ex at the time and really just left it as friends. He has showed some romantic interest now that my ex is out of the picture. He has invited me to come stay at his place on the reservation.
He is six foot, right out of a darn Harlequin Novel! If he ends up making a move... I don't know if I will want to say no.
Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:54 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,113 posts)
3. OH WHO AM I KIDDING!
He is 6 foot, ripped! I know for a fact he likes to ride without a shirt on. He has super dark eyes and hair that falls all the way down his back!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/Zardoz_zed_zpsd6417d8e.jpg)
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Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Lady Freedom Returns (6,113 posts)
Well, I kinda met someone, OK I met them earlier, but I was with my ex at the time and really just left it as friends. He has showed some romantic interest now that my ex is out of the picture. He has invited me to come stay at his place on the reservation.
He is six foot, right out of a darn Harlequin Novel! If he ends up making a move... I don't know if I will want to say no.
Stay downwind, and he won't . . . right away, that is. :runaway: :puke:
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Stay downwind, and he won't . . . right away, that is. :runaway: :puke:
Yep. She has been on the road for 10 or 12 days now so she should be getting rather ripe for the plucking.
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Some advice for Apache Romeo...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geHLdg_VNww[/youtube]
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Yep. She has been on the road for 10 or 12 days now so she should be getting rather ripe for the plucking.
One wonders how her job search is going.
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No job search, she is on a man hunt...And she has an Apache Romeo in her sites.
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RIGGGGHT, now perhaps I will make some people angry but I am so tired of all these make believe , want to be decedents of the Aborigines that Europe found hundreds of years ago on this continent.
To put it mildly, I after YEARS of running into both men and woman that claim decent from usually the Cherokee Nation, I have met only a small few that were in fact at least 1/4 Indian and they were either from Canada or one woman a pure bread Navajo from Gallup NM.
I worked with one woman that insisted I was part Indian because I have high cheek bones. What a crock of sh*t, we have not had any Indians in these parts since the early 1800 and I do not think racial traits go that far back.
My complaint is Like the Australians who for years felt as a mark of shame their Ancestors came to that Continent as murderers and thieves, unwanted by the English Government, today it is a badge of PRIDE to have been descended from them.
As in the long time Black race living here few races have managed to keep their racial ancestry intact.
The Indians that do so in the USA or Canada, are the very elderly and are treated shamelessly by the Mongrels in the group.
Just one thing or another group to choose to be part of, but, one goes to the PowWows held in the summer, it is difficult to find anyone without blond, red or brown hair with the slight curve to the eye that is a trait. I just hate it to see someone with round eyes claim to be Indian.
As Elaine on Seinfeld said " fake, fake, fake, fake"
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Thank you. It's been 6 years this Sunday, so we are able to put some distance and perspective to the situation. I can't agree with your sentiment more. My darlin says that all of Nathan didn't come back home, and that's the dang truth. His son is near 12 years old, and won't ever personally know what a fine and brave man his Dad was. After all of his tours (4) come to find out, his worst enemy was his own self. I get pretty riled up when people throw out PTSD as an excuse for their inability to cope with what are simply just bad experiences. Mind you, my life has seen it's fair share of crappy stuff, some people might actually call some bits tragic, but that's just life. Period.
Yep Nathan Was a fine man and Great Soldier as well. The first time I met him....was MUCH different than the last time I saw him, there was 3 tours in between those times. Every time he came home he was different to the point of almost unrecognizable. He had a tough job and was good at it. His best friend was at his side most of the time in battle, including leave and he would tell me of the things Nathan did. I tell you the VA did him a grave disservice for all he had done for this country with the lack of treatment he received. Nathan's soul did not come home from Iraq. He was a good man and I miss talking with him.
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One wonders how her job search is going.
(http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/.a/6a010535ce1cf6970c0168e87d8d4c970c-pi)
About as well as one might expect from the female version of Maynard G. Krebs, I'd imagine.
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Thank you. It's been 6 years this Sunday, so we are able to put some distance and perspective to the situation. I can't agree with your sentiment more. My darlin says that all of Nathan didn't come back home, and that's the dang truth. His son is near 12 years old, and won't ever personally know what a fine and brave man his Dad was. After all of his tours (4) come to find out, his worst enemy was his own self. I get pretty riled up when people throw out PTSD as an excuse for their inability to cope with what are simply just bad experiences. Mind you, my life has seen it's fair share of crappy stuff, some people might actually call some bits tragic, but that's just life. Period.
Your example is a good example why the over use of using PTSD as a diagnosis for people that simply lack ambition pisses me off. I can't imagine what you have been though. My gosh. :bawl:
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I got to page 3 before deciding this whole thing is too disturbing for me. Seeing a pic of her, and then knowing the fantasy is just too much. I ESPECIALLY didn't want to think about her fingers being stinky as she was concocting this fallacy;. :argh:
Stinky or sticky? Or both? :fuelfire:
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Yep Nathan Was a fine man and Great Soldier as well. The first time I met him....was MUCH different than the last time I saw him, there was 3 tours in between those times. Every time he came home he was different to the point of almost unrecognizable. He had a tough job and was good at it. His best friend was at his side most of the time in battle, including leave and he would tell me of the things Nathan did. I tell you the VA did him a grave disservice for all he had done for this country with the lack of treatment he received. Nathan's soul did not come home from Iraq. He was a good man and I miss talking with him.
Damn. So sad.
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Damn. So sad.
Yes it was. I didn't really know him as well as Tots did (she was roommates with his significant other) but I thought he was a Fine man and one hell of a soldier. He had some stories and he had a love for his country...He told me once he would do as many tours AS NEEDED! He wasn't going to give up.
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(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/savage-hero_zps94db14f7.jpg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/savage-hero_zps94db14f7.jpg.html)
K&R
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More like this one. She thinks that he has to like her because he doesn't run away.
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab258/Forum_Bucket_album/Club_Humidor_San_Antonio/Club_Humidor_Quarry_1Front_Indian.jpg)
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Stinky or sticky? Or both? :fuelfire:
Like touching a raw chicken that's been sitting out too long. :lmao:
:puke:
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Like touching a raw chicken that's been sitting out too long. :lmao:
:puke:
Damn, brother!
I don't believe I'd told THAT! :lol: