OBAMA SUGGESTS GOP WILL USE RACE TO SCARE VOTERS

[Jim]

its not necessarily just 4 years of BHO.  its very likely one or more SCOTUS changes.  thats a little unusual and very much worthy of consideration.

do you want more Ginsbergs or Roberts' ?

Those that are gleefully announcing they are sitting out this elections seem to want more Ginsburgs.

I know I am anything but "gleeful" about the choice of candidates and about not voting in this upcoming election. I'd be gleeful if there was someone decent on the ticket, but there isn't.

I am disappointed and quite disgusted.

I'd have preferred better choices too but I've been that way in all the elections I've voted in.  Not much chance of getting your wish in a two party system.

[Jim]

It's a long time until November.

I think those that can't stomach to vote for McCain should ask themselves what it would take to make him the candidate you could vote for. I don't trust politicans (any of them) as far as I can throw them. But the McCain camp seems to be listening. Slowly. But it's something. I'm honestly committed to voting for McCain. I just hope that he makes me happier about it before election day.

all I've ever hoped for out of McC is judges.  if I get more I'll call it gravy.

[DixieBelle]

Judges and remaining serious about GWoT for me.

[Jim]

Judges and remaining serious about GWoT for me.

good catch.

[Airwolf]

There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Barry,

What has he done while in the Senate for the state of Illinois? He seems to be talking a good game about hope and change but so far all I see is the same old Democrat run state thats just as corrupt and bad as ever.

He has no foriegn policy experiance at all. Anyone that wants to use Winnie The Pooh as a guideline and not John Wayne or Winston Churchill needs to go back to school because he has FAILED to learn from history.

Just what are his policies? Has he even lais out one plan that would realistcally bring oil prices and the housing market under control? NO he just sits behind his podium and repetes Democrat talking points. They said Bush is an idiot,if thats true then I wouldn't be holding Barry up as a shining example on economics.

Face it people Barry is about as experianced as a 6th grade debating team when it comes to running for President. There's not alot to like about McCain but damn, at least he'll know when to pull the trigger on some asshat with a bomb and a plan to use it. I won't vote for McCain but I will be voting for the Senators and Congressmen here that will be more likely to push though a conservative agenda like we have needed for a long time.

thank you for being another that will ensure that Barry is the next President of the United States

Your welcome.

I am about where  you are, Air Wolf. I can't, in good conscience vote for John McCain. I will, however, be voting for my local government. Turns out, my local government can do something about Little Mexico, I mean the Illegals 

As much as it may seem painfull to others that I am not going to vote for McCain there is this that needs to be considered above all else. A President, Not matter what party they belong to can only do so much. The power to weild over our day to day lives lies with the Congress in both the House and Senate. They can override any Presidents wishes with enough people and with a Democratic run House and Senate a McCain Presidency might as well be one with Obama in office. McCain has alot of baggage he needs to address before he gets the votes of alot of party members.

Keating 5

Gang of 14

Some of his anti gun stances

His lack of support of sealing the border

His support on Global Warming

When he decides that America is more important then those issues then maybe he can earn the vote of those he seeks.

[TheSarge]

Judges and remaining serious about GWoT for me.

Same here

[BlueStateSaint]

Judges and remaining serious about GWoT for me.

Same here

Me three!  Airwolf, you need to think about this.  I'm going to suggest something really "out there" right now about the GWot--when we get attacked again by terrorists, under a President Obama, the blood of all of the victims will be on those who either voted for Obama (some of those might consider that a badge of honor ), or those who sat out the election and didn't vote for McCain.

Why do I say something like that?  Because a President McCain would turn the land where such an attack originated into glass, probably within an hour or two, and that would end the conflict for the time being.  A President Obama would either blame President Bush, or attack an ally (his remarks about Pakistan), thus making the GWoT virtually unwinnable as prosecuted by a President Obama.  Sure, the public would probably vote him out in 2012, but I'd like to be alive for that vote.  And, in the interim, the continued attacks that would probably occur (a President Obama would probably ask, "What did those who came before us do for us to deserve this?" as if we deserved to be attacked) would do untold damage to the economy, plus possibly set off a civil war (lefties against righties).

If that hurts feelings, so be it.  That's what I think, and I'm not hiding it anymore.

[rich_t]

its not necessarily just 4 years of BHO.  its very likely one or more SCOTUS changes.  thats a little unusual and very much worthy of consideration.

do you want more Ginsbergs or Roberts' ?

That is a concern for me.  But I'm not sure I trust McCain when he states what sort of Justices he will nominate.

He was a charter member of "Gang of 14" after all.  Will he truely nomitate those like Roberts and Scalia or will he "reach across" the aisle again like he has so many times in the past and nominate those more like Ginsberg and Souter?

During the primary season he made it pretty apparent that he didn't give a damn about the conservative base. IMO anyway.

[rich_t]

There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Barry,

What has he done while in the Senate for the state of Illinois? He seems to be talking a good game about hope and change but so far all I see is the same old Democrat run state thats just as corrupt and bad as ever.

He has no foriegn policy experiance at all. Anyone that wants to use Winnie The Pooh as a guideline and not John Wayne or Winston Churchill needs to go back to school because he has FAILED to learn from history.

Just what are his policies? Has he even lais out one plan that would realistcally bring oil prices and the housing market under control? NO he just sits behind his podium and repetes Democrat talking points. They said Bush is an idiot,if thats true then I wouldn't be holding Barry up as a shining example on economics.

Face it people Barry is about as experianced as a 6th grade debating team when it comes to running for President. There's not alot to like about McCain but damn, at least he'll know when to pull the trigger on some asshat with a bomb and a plan to use it. I won't vote for McCain but I will be voting for the Senators and Congressmen here that will be more likely to push though a conservative agenda like we have needed for a long time.

thank you for being another that will ensure that Barry is the next President of the United States

Your welcome.

I am about where  you are, Air Wolf. I can't, in good conscience vote for John McCain. I will, however, be voting for my local government. Turns out, my local government can do something about Little Mexico, I mean the Illegals 

As much as it may seem painfull to others that I am not going to vote for McCain there is this that needs to be considered above all else. A President, Not matter what party they belong to can only do so much. The power to weild over our day to day lives lies with the Congress in both the House and Senate. They can override any Presidents wishes with enough people and with a Democratic run House and Senate a McCain Presidency might as well be one with Obama in office. McCain has alot of baggage he needs to address before he gets the votes of alot of party members.

Keating 5

Gang of 14

Some of his anti gun stances

His lack of support of sealing the border

His support on Global Warming

When he decides that America is more important then those issues then maybe he can earn the vote of those he seeks.

Very well said.  That list sums up some of the very reasons that I find McCain so unpalatable as a candidate.

[rich_t]

Why do I say something like that?  Because a President McCain would turn the land where such an attack originated into glass, probably within an hour or two, and that would end the conflict for the time being.

Wishful thinking IMO.

[Chris_]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Very well said.  That list sums up some of the very reasons that I find McCain so unpalatable as a candidate.

Better to have a socialist than a less-than perfect Conservative.
 

[Lacarnut]

If Obama wins the presidency, his coattails will surely bring in a filibuster proof Senate of 60 or more Democrats. The Democrats only need to win 7 or 8 more. If that happens, the Repubs will be helpless in stalling ANY AND ALL LEGISLATION. The Democrats will have a blank check to pull out of Iraq, draw down the military, gut defense and intelligence departments, pass increases in income and social security taxes, pass all social programs, and if all that is not bad enough, weaken our ability to prevent terrorism on our home soil. It's not blind luck that we have not been attacked again since 9/11. Think about that when you vote.

Obama will do each and every one of those where McCain will not.   

[Wretched Excess]

with the dems in control of both houses of congress, and with obama's stated positions of
literally remaking the country according to his utopian "ideals", and considering the coattails
effect mentioned above, not voting for mccain because he isn't a perfect enough candidate
is suicidal and deranged.

this is a turning point in history, and it's no time for temper tantrums.  the country will be
damaged permanently.  some things, once done, can never be undone.

[rich_t]

the country will be damaged permanently.  some things, once done, can never be undone.

Ooops...  too late.  The damage began back in the 1930's (some claim even earlier (1913)) and has continued to expand each year regardless of which party was in power.

Think about it.

Was there an income tax pre 1913?

No.

Was there a SS tax pre 1935?

No.

Medicare?  Medicaid?  These came even later.

These socialist items have been around and have grown larger and more costly to we, the tax payers, for several decades.

So don't talk to me about how Obama will bring socialism to America...  It has been here for decades, and both the democrat and republican parties have advanced it.

[Wretched Excess]

the country will be damaged permanently.  some things, once done, can never be undone.

Ooops...  too late.  The damage began back in the 1930's (some claim even earlier (1913)) and has continued to expand each year regardless of which party was in power.

Think about it.

you think about it.  unless you got a time machine in your back pocket, the 1930's are gone.  discussing 1930 in 2008 is pointless, although I wonder how many people in the 1930s said, "**** it.  the damage was done in 1910.  I am voting for roosevelt".  that was not a very helpful attitude back then, given a proper historical perspective, is it?

it's not a helpful attitude now, either.  you just can't see the havoc that will be wrought . . . yet.

[rich_t]

the country will be damaged permanently.  some things, once done, can never be undone.

Ooops...  too late.  The damage began back in the 1930's (some claim even earlier (1913)) and has continued to expand each year regardless of which party was in power.

Think about it.

you think about it.  unless you got a time machine in your back pocket, the 1930's are gone.  discussing 1930 in 2008 is pointless, although I wonder how many people in the 1930s said, "**** it.  the damage was done in 1910.  I am voting for roosevelt".  that was not a very helpful attitude back then, given a proper historical perspective, is it?

it's not a helpful attitude now, either.  you just can't see the havoc that will be wrought . . . yet.

My point is that both current major parties have merely advanced socialism in their own ways over the last several decades.

You tell me;  What is McCain going to fix?  What is he going to do to reverse the damage?

Is he going to work to do away with the SS, medicare and medicade taxes?

[Wretched Excess]

the country will be damaged permanently.  some things, once done, can never be undone.

Ooops...  too late.  The damage began back in the 1930's (some claim even earlier (1913)) and has continued to expand each year regardless of which party was in power.

Think about it.

you think about it.  unless you got a time machine in your back pocket, the 1930's are gone.  discussing 1930 in 2008 is pointless, although I wonder how many people in the 1930s said, "**** it.  the damage was done in 1910.  I am voting for roosevelt".  that was not a very helpful attitude back then, given a proper historical perspective, is it?

it's not a helpful attitude now, either.  you just can't see the havoc that will be wrought . . . yet.

My point is that both current major parties have merely advanced socialism in their own ways over the last several decades.

You tell me;  What is McCain going to fix?  What is he going to do to reverse the damage?

Is he going to work to do away with the SS, medicare and medicade taxes?

I fully understand your point.  my point is that you can't tell "moderately unsettling" for "utterly devastating".

and if you can't tell how different the country would look after 8 years of president mccain vs. 8 years of
president obama (all hypotehtically speaking, of course), then it isn't me that needs to "think about it".

I just pray to God that you don't live in a swing state.

[rich_t]

I do live in a swing state.  A pretty important one too.  Ohio.

[rich_t]

I fully understand your point.

I doubt it. 

If you did you wouldn't be making comments like

my point is that you can't tell "moderately unsettling" for "utterly devastating".

[Wretched Excess]

I do live in a swing state.  A pretty important one too.  Ohio.

wonderful.  I hope there are some people in ohio that can actually see the big picture.

[Wretched Excess]

I fully understand your point.

I doubt it. 

If you did you wouldn't be making comments like

my point is that you can't tell "moderately unsettling" for "utterly devastating".

doubt all you want.  you're sacrificing what's infinitely preferable because you can't have what you consider to be
perfect.  and that strikes me as petulant.

comparatively speaking, and with regards to the candidates, that comment is absolutely valid.  in fact, it's probably
the only thing that matters in the general election this year.

[rich_t]

I do live in a swing state.  A pretty important one too.  Ohio.

wonderful.  I hope there are some people in ohio that can actually see the big picture.

Now this I have to chuckle at...  Anyone that doesn't see things your way, is NOT seeing the big picture?

The big picture is merely a matter of perspective WE.  

[rich_t]

I fully understand your point.

I doubt it. 

If you did you wouldn't be making comments like

my point is that you can't tell "moderately unsettling" for "utterly devastating".

doubt all you want.  you're sacrificing what's infinitely preferable because you can't have what you consider to be
perfect.  and that strikes me as petulant.

comparatively speaking, and with regards to the candidates, that comment is absolutely valid.  in fact, it's probably
the only thing that matters in the general election this year.

Have you actuallly even read what I posted?

I challange you to post any comments of mine where I demanded perfection.

You can't and we both know it.

I have stated the things about McCain that concern me, but I have never demanded perfection.


Oh and for the record.. YOU do NOT get to decide what is infinitely preferable for anyone but yourself.

[Wretched Excess]

I do live in a swing state.  A pretty important one too.  Ohio.

wonderful.  I hope there are some people in ohio that can actually see the big picture.

Now this I have to chuckle at...  Anyone that doesn't see things your way, is NOT seeing the big picture?

The big picture is merely a matter of perspective WE. 

yeeesh.     you've almost got me putting up a full blown defense of a guy I don't even
care for.   how'd you do that?

anyone that doesn't see how the election that we have before us could have a devastating effect on
the future of  the big picture, yes, in my opinion, lacks perspective.

[rich_t]

I do live in a swing state.  A pretty important one too.  Ohio.

wonderful.  I hope there are some people in ohio that can actually see the big picture.

Now this I have to chuckle at...  Anyone that doesn't see things your way, is NOT seeing the big picture?

The big picture is merely a matter of perspective WE. 

yeeesh.     you've almost got me putting up a full blown defense of a guy I don't even
care for.   how'd you do that?

anyone that doesn't see how the election that we have before us could have a devastating effect on
the future of  the big picture, yes, in my opinion, lacks perspective.

I've seen that "my way or the highway" mentality in before.

The arrogance that it implies lack of perspective is priceless.

I have never not even ONCE thought that my perspective was the only one allowed.