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sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« on: January 04, 2009, 08:08:01 AM »
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Husb2Sparkly  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 12:32 AM
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Poll question: I prefer a restaurant with ......

Poll result (12 votes) 

..... an open kitchen  (12 votes, 100%)
..... a closed kitchen  (0 votes, 0%)

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wakemeupwhenitsover   (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 12:41 AM
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1. Great food.

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sazemisery  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 04:49 AM
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2. Open kitchens are great entertainment and informative also

I love watching a kitchen at work. A good one is cohesive in it's movements and operation. A bad one can mean good entertainment and bad food.

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 09:44 AM
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3. Also less chance for winding up on Kitchen Nightmares for bad hygiene.

I didn't know if I would like this trend when it started, with the kitchen facing out to the dining area, but I do love it now.

Like you said, it's fun to watch.

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AZDemDist6  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 11:12 AM
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4. keep it open, I like to walk by and make sure it's clean in there

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Husb2Sparkly  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 11:27 AM
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5. I truly enjoy watching a skilled cook at work

It is, to me, like watching a ballet. Economy of movement. Maximized efficiency. The ability of the cook at station A consistently being faster than the cook at station B. The expediter not so subtly pushing station B to match the speed of station A. The comis coming out from the back, placing down a huge stack of freshly washed, carbon encrusted saute pans and carry away a huge stack of freshly used, carbon encrusted saute pans, the former looking for all the world exactly like the latter. The glares, the joking, the curses, the smiles, the mutual aid when one station or another gets overwhelmed. The communication by glance and gesture instead of spoken word.

Yeah. I like open kitchens, especially when I sit right in front of it and watch it all up close. Or better yet, sit in it and have my meal there. The 'Chef's Table.'

Yeah, yeah, yeah, as usual the sparkling husband primitive is displaying his true colors.

People at work are supposed to be on exhibition, to entertain the primitives.

I've never cooked, but I've never liked other people eyeballing me when I was working, no matter the nature of the work.  I suspect most who cook in restaurants don't particularly care for it either, as if they're monkeys on exhibit at the zoo.

It's demeaning, but what do the primitives know of dignity and respect?

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-03-09 03:42 PM
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6. It depends on whether I've come to eat or to dine

The racket of an open kitchen is fine with prole food. In fact, my favorite North End restaurant had an open kitchen.

However, if the experience involves cloth napkins and a string quartet, please keep the kitchen closed.

As for slime, they never keep that out where anybody can see it. It's always below the level of the counter: behind the appliances, underfoot, in the bottom of the fridge, or collecting in the bottom of the Fryolator.

An open kitchen might be entertaining, but it's no guarantee of good hygiene.

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housewolf  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-03-09 04:56 PM
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7. It depends...

On whether I'm going to the restaurant for the experience of being entertained by the cook staff and enjoying the food, or whether I'm going for the purpose of conversation and enjoying my dining companions. Open kitchens, in my experience are so noisy, the general noise level in the restaurants so loud what with everyone needing to speak loudly in order to be heard over the kitchen racket, that it's enjoyable to me as a spectator experience but not in terms of social interaction.

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Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-04-09 02:28 AM
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8. I prefer a kitchen that has ABSOLUTELY NO TIES to corporate america.

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Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-04-09 02:30 AM
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9. Oh and now they are going to try and be "tricky"......

The JUNK peddlers are TRICKY! (they ARE!)

The primitives as usual are ass-backwards.

I don't care where the food's cooked--it could be cooked on the roof, or two blocks down in a different building, or on a ping-pong table in the middle of a swimming pool, for all I care.....just so long as the premises are clean.

And if one lives in a corrupt machine-operated blue state, a certificate of inspection doesn't mean excresence.  Many times it means that the kitchen failed, but the owner made an appropriate under-the-table payoff to the inspector, to get the certificate.

When in blue states, I tend to dine in private residences.
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 08:57:27 AM »
No wonder the DUmmies are poor.....they eat out to much.
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 09:23:46 AM »

And if one lives in a corrupt machine-operated blue state, a certificate of inspection doesn't mean excresence.  Many times it means that the kitchen failed, but the owner made an appropriate under-the-table payoff to the inspector, to get the certificate.

When in blue states, I tend to dine in private residences.

Over the summer in Massachusetts, there was an accident on a highway involving a truck carrying some 11 thousand pounds of lobsters brought in from Canada. ( Canadian lobsters are inferior to the ones from Maine, and are therefore cheaper ) of course, the lobsters were condemned because they were exposed to diesel fuel, either directly, or to the fumes. Next thing you know, they are discovered being sold from a refrigerated truck behind a restaurant belonging to a friend of the owner of the towing company responsible for cleanup. Even though the restaurant claimed no tainted lobsters were served, they were coincidentally having a Twin Lobster special at $9.99 per plate.

The establishment remains open to this day..

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I did a quick search for the original story, and it looks like it still drags on - here is a Dec 30th update.
http://www.telegram.com/article/20081230/NEWS/812300563/1008/NEWSREWIND
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 11:28:36 AM »
No wonder the DUmmies are poor.....they eat out to much.

How can they afford it in this economy?
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 08:29:22 AM »
Okay, last night, I took a representative sample of Nebraska opinion.

Well, two other people and myself makes only three, perhaps not quite a representative sample, but one takes what one can get.

Three Nebraskans, two male, one female, two born and raised in Nebraska, one born elsewhere but moved to Nebraska; all with 4+ years college education; all widely traveled and at least moderately well-dined.

We unanimously think this notion that cooks and chefs should be compelled to perform in front of an audience is really bad taste, and even grotesque.

Cooks and chefs are hired (or "hired," in the sense that a restaurant patron is hiring them to produce something for the patron) to create and cook.  That is all they should be required to do; create and cook.

None of the three of us have never watched cooks and chefs work; all three of us figure it's just best to let the cooks and chefs work in peace-and-quiet, out of sight, as they probably really wish to do.

All three of us have probably been in restaurants with "open kitchens," but because of our innate decency and courtesy, we didn't pay attention.  After all, we were in a restaurant to dine, not to watch cooks and chefs amuse us.

Late at night, I read what Sigmund Freud had to say about the matter; it's not pretty.  If the sparkling husband primitive in real life really gets jollies out of watching cooks and chefs "perform" for him, there are startling similarities between the fantasies of Heinrich Himmler, and the fantasies of the sparkling husband primitive.

If the sparkling husband primitive in real life really gets jollies out of watching cooks and chefs "perform" for him, the sparkling husband primitive in real life is an utter depravity, disgusting beyond articulation; i.e., he's really one sick ****.

Thus sayeth Sigmund Freud, in his analysis of the master-slave, master-servant, relationship; also in the sinfulness and lust of the subconscious.  Freud doesn't appear to enjoy much popularity and repute among Christians, but Freud did an excellent job defining original sin, the basest nature of man, in non-theological terms.

But I don't want to go there; it's really disgusting.

I did recall one place with an "open kitchen," the pool hall in the small town in the center of the Sandhills of Nebraska, where I spent my adolescence.  It had a wide-open kitchen because the building had once been a bank, and this sort of kitchen was all the configuration of the architecture could accommodate.

This open kitchen was operated by "Tiny," a behemoth of an old gentleman (perhaps in his late 60s, early 70s, when I knew of him) who was just really fat.  I dunno; surely more than 400 pounds, and he was surely no more than five and a half feet tall.

"Tiny" in his younger, slenderer, youth, had been a cook in one of the residences of Eleanor Roosevelt, but whether Hyde Park or New York City, I never knew.  After she died in 1961 or 1962, "Tiny" headed west, and ended up at this pool hall in central Nebraska, where he spent the rest of his days.

"Tiny" had a pineapple-shaped head, and a button for a nose.  The nose always intrigued me, as "Tiny" could make it bounce out, bounce in, bounce around, bounce sideways, bounce jiggly, bounce wobbly, as he chitchatted with customers.

Ostensibly--I have no way of knowing--"Tiny" had a high-pitched voice.  I do know that "Tiny" actually squealed when smooched and caressed and tickled by good-looking young chicks and broads.

As I said, the kitchen was open, wide open, and customers could see "Tiny" doing his stuff.  But "Tiny" was not putting on a show for their amusement, and everybody understood that.  No one dared analyze and critique "Tiny"'s methods.

This was a polite, well-mannered, courteous town.  If one thought "Tiny" was doing something wrong, one kept his mouth shut.  If one thought "Tiny" was doing something right, one kept his mouth shut.

All anybody--including "Tiny"--cared about was whether or not the food was okay.

If the Immortal "Tiny" were still alive today, and if the sparkling husband primitive was watching him cook, for amusement, "Tiny" would undoubtedly send the sparkling husband primitive through the food-grinder, and then dump the whole thing down the commode.

And "Tiny" would be acquitted by a jury, because all men are entitled to defend their dignity and self-respect.
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2009, 08:58:02 AM »
Open kitchen, eh?  Maybe the cook at Benihana's will "accidently" let a knife cut the sparkling husband primitive's throat.

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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 03:03:25 PM »
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sazemisery  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 04:49 AM
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2. Open kitchens are great entertainment and informative also


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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-02-09 09:44 AM
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3. Also less chance for winding up on Kitchen Nightmares for bad hygiene.

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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
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8. I prefer a kitchen that has ABSOLUTELY NO TIES to corporate america.
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 04:45:35 PM »
Jeeze.  When I go to a restaurant, it sure as Hell isn't to watch unskilled actors performing theater-in-the-round while they are trying to work and I'm trying to eat and/or talk to my companion(s).
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2009, 05:04:54 PM »
Jeeze.  When I go to a restaurant, it sure as Hell isn't to watch unskilled actors performing theater-in-the-round while they are trying to work and I'm trying to eat and/or talk to my companion(s).

That was the same attitude of my representative sample.

Now, one might have an authentic professional interest or curiosity in how a restaurant kitchen is operated, but as none of the primitives at that bonfire are allegedly cooks or chefs or restaurant managers, it's just purient interest.

In most cases, if one has an authentic professional interest or curiosity in how a restaurant kitchen is operated, management is more than happy to give one a "personal tour."  That's not unheard of, at least in red states where food facilities don't have anything to hide, to conceal.

But Freud's take on it, to say the least, was disturbing.

In America, it's not allowed for one to own slaves to amuse one.  In America, given our egalitarian republican principles, it's not nice to treat people as comical servants.

However, there are some who feel this "need" to be master, to be owner.

We already know this with the babbling sister primitive, who thinks "darky" and "pickaninny" toys are "cute;" one suspects the babbling sister primitive would also like her restaurant dinners served in pantomime and blackface.

The sparkling husband primitive, utterly dominated by his wife, apparently feels this "need" to be amused by those he considers beings less than him.

It's strongly reminescent of Heinrich Himmler, who used to get his jollies (while secretly wearing women's lingerie under his uniform) watching naked Romanian dwarves circus-act, after which they were sent to the gas chambers.

Same thing.

Damn, I'm glad I'm me, and not a primitive.

No one, but no one, has ever had to "amuse" me when doing his job.
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Re: sparkling husband primitive polls primitives on restaurants
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 07:20:57 PM »
I've never cooked, but I've never liked other people eyeballing me when I was working, no matter the nature of the work.  I suspect most who cook in restaurants don't particularly care for it either, as if they're monkeys on exhibit at the zoo.

You get used to it.  After a while you stop noticing, because you have work to do.  Putting on a show can be fun sometimes... exploding sautee pans (always my favorite), flaming grills (squirt bottles filled with vegetable oil can be fun), burning bottles of Bacardi.  It breaks up an otherwise boring job.  At least in my experience, I couldn't see past the expediter on the other side of the counter because the heat lamps are like 500 watts each. 
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