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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on April 08, 2021, 11:56:53 PM
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El Supremo (19,722 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215317023
Do We Really Have God Given Rights?
I heard it again today from Doug Lamborn, a Colo. Republican Representative, that we have a God given right to own guns after Biden announced some executive actions.
I know that the Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But that kind of religious statement is not in the Constitution.
Here is an argument against it from an evangelical source: https://danielpassini.org/lets-look-at-our-god-given-rights/
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Star Member Skittles (134,341 posts)
1. the GOP knows that God, Guns and Gays WORKS on their pathetic base
that's all it is
Star Member AZProgressive (27,601 posts)
2. No
One thing George Carlin was right about rights can be taken away at anytime.
I mean voting rights rather than gun control. I support regulations when it comes to guns.
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Lunabell (2,601 posts)
3. No
There is no god.
Star Member Binkie The Clown (6,938 posts)
6. We have whatever rights we can manage to wrest from the grasp of the powerful.
Beyond that, Mother Nature grants us only the right to get old, to get sick, and to die.
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Eko (5,091 posts)
9. Is there an invoice?
receipts? A memo, a post it note, voicemail, an email? Something that actually shows the rights this supposed god has given us? Cause I cant find any.
Sympthsical (934 posts)
10. A lot of the philosophy undergirding the Declaration and Constitution is Natural Law
You've got your Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, etc. And it was the idea that we are, by virtue of our existence and how humans generally behave, afforded certain rights. And that any government that would deny or infringe on those rights should be changed or overthrown.
This is, of course, a very simplified version of things. To really get a handle on where the founders' heads were at, you could flip through Hobbes' "Leviathan" and "De Cive."
But that's the genesis of the idea of "God Given Rights" as it evolved in regards to English law and its extension into America.
The founders' entire idea was that American government be based on principles of Natural Law.
Not sure where guns go with that one, though.
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Star Member PufPuf23 (7,278 posts)
11. What did Jesus hidden carry? nt
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Yet these are the mutts that claim they have a right to free healthcare,food,housing,etc.
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These idiots actually want to argue they are entitled to oppress us without seeing the danger that creates for themselves.
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This is what happens when people start idolizing government as the greatest power. The DUmp and their fellow moonbats need to remember that whatever the government gives you, it can also take away. That's why the DOI say "endowed by their Creator" not "granted by their rulers".
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This is what happens when people start idolizing government as the greatest power. The DUmp and their fellow moonbats need to remember that whatever the government gives you, it can also take away. That's why the DOI say "endowed by their Creator" not "granted by their rulers".
That statement, no matter how true, is meaningless to them. They reject the legitimacy of the DOI.
You have to hit them where their demented little souls live.
"You have to get rid of your guns, and your religion because our mob demands it."
"No, I won't. I have rights."
"There's no such thing as rights. Those are just made-up."
"You mean like gay marriage or abortion?"
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"REEEEEE!"
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These idiots actually want to argue they are entitled to oppress us without seeing the danger that creates for themselves.
They always do. Just think, the new batch of voters think socialism is being able to be social (FB etc..) and not having to work.
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Sympthsical (934 posts)
10. A lot of the philosophy undergirding the Declaration and Constitution is Natural Law
You've got your Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, etc. And it was the idea that we are, by virtue of our existence and how humans generally behave, afforded certain rights. And that any government that would deny or infringe on those rights should be changed or overthrown.
This is, of course, a very simplified version of things. To really get a handle on where the founders' heads were at, you could flip through Hobbes' "Leviathan" and "De Cive."
But that's the genesis of the idea of "God Given Rights" as it evolved in regards to English law and its extension into America.
The founders' entire idea was that American government be based on principles of Natural Law.
Not sure where guns go with that one, though.
Self defense and defense against tyranny.
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Star Member Binkie The Clown (6,938 posts)
6. We have whatever rights we can manage to wrest from the grasp of the powerful.
Beyond that, Mother Nature grants us only the right to get old, to get sick, and to die.
You couldn't be more wrong you worthless piece of shit. Your party worships at the alter of Moloch and you willingly sacrifice innocent unborn children and call it choice. Those children had a right to life and you take it from them.
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That statement, no matter how true, is meaningless to them. They reject the legitimacy of the DOI.
You have to hit them where their demented little souls live.
"You have to get rid of your guns, and your religion because our mob demands it."
"No, I won't. I have rights."
"There's no such thing as rights. Those are just made-up."
"You mean like gay marriage or abortion?"
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"REEEEEE!"
Don't forget the epilogue in which the Leftist then "Peacefully" throws a Molotov at your house while your family is inside.
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Star Member Binkie The Clown (6,938 posts)
6. We have whatever rights we can manage to wrest from the grasp of the powerful.
Beyond that, Mother Nature grants us only the right to get old, to get sick, and to die.
Thus demonstrating the fatuousness of God-hating atheists, ordinary atheists, and agnostics discussing the concept of God-given rights.