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Title: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=167483

Interesting question.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: NHSparky on September 25, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
Because of the old adage, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."

Which explains why I might speed, but don't DO speed.  Well, that and the destructive habits which makes one turn to crime as well.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Evil_Conservative on September 25, 2010, 11:56:13 AM
I'd rather keep the money in my bank, instead of paying fines to the government.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 12:02:16 PM
I think you are missing the point of the post.

For the past 10 years the government has willfully ignored its own laws and allowed people to commit fraud, while trying to maintain an air of legitimacy.

So the question is, is a government that won't enforce its own laws, legitimate and other than the threat of force, what power do they have.

We live in Soviet America.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Evil_Conservative on September 25, 2010, 12:18:38 PM
The government, for the most part, has and always will break their own laws.  Trust me, I do not follow the law to a T.  It would be amazing if we can get to a point where the government follows the very laws they sign. 
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on September 25, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
This "admin" not only disregards the law, it uses the Constitution as toilet paper.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TVDOC on September 25, 2010, 01:04:37 PM
I'm not certain whether the board at the link is economic in nature, or a bunch of "survivalists" with some rather limited economic knowledge.

I certainly have no argument that the Obama administration acted improperly (unconstitutionally) with regard to the GM bailout......it should have been allowed to fail.  The concept of "too big to fail" is simply ludicrous, and only is used when some political patronage group (in this case the unions, which I abhor) ox is at risk of getting gored.

And addressing oxen getting gored, and political patronage groups, the vast bulk of the mortgage crisis was engendered by liberal policies regarding home ownership......Over the years, my wife and I have owned over twenty houses......all were purchased with conventional mortgages, with the requisite 20% or more down payment, appropriate submission of income and asset documentation, and all of the necessary terms fullfilled for a loan committee to review our "ability to  pay".  In each of these cases, the leans were paid as promised monthly, and paid off when the house was sold......end of discussion.

The problem arises when politicians suddenly decide that "home ownership is a right"......and start pressuring financial institutions to provide loans to people that can't qualify for a conventional mortgage.

This could be stopped tomorrow, but that would mean that huge numbers of minorities, welfare cheats, illegal aliens, and general deadbeats could not "qualify" for a mortgage, and therefore be either forced to remain in their hovels for the foreseeable future. or become homeless  All of the aforementioned groups share one thing in common......they are Democrat Party key constituency groups.......and would raise all kinds of hell, shouting "racism", "redlining", "discrimination", et al........until the politicians finally knuckle under and throw them a bone at the expense of undermining the mortgage industry to the point where it requires yet another taxpayer bailout.  You simply can't have it both ways economically......either you have rules that provide for the proper system of lending or you don't........you can't have government interference in a process to the extent that it violates generally accepted accounting and business practices, and expect it to function.

So to answer your basic question.......Why do I obey the law........I do it because it is the honorable and civilized thing to do..........and I have the reasonable expectation that most others will as well.

That said, I DO think that it is way past time for a little "Economic Darwinism"  to apply some chlorine to the financial gene pool.....

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on September 25, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
I think you are missing the point of the post.

For the past 10 years the government has willfully ignored its own laws and allowed people to commit fraud, while trying to maintain an air of legitimacy.

So the question is, is a government that won't enforce its own laws, legitimate and other than the threat of force, what power do they have.

We live in Soviet America.

Which company did you work for?  Enron or Arthur Andersen?  Im guessing you had a large chunk of your retirement portfolio sunk into Enron stock right?
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Karl is no surviliast, quite the opposite.  I find the manhattan favoritism ironic considering how quickly they abandoned your gang with donations in 2006 and 2008 :-) they ran back.  When the poll numbers told them to.  Hint: I'm a former member of the manhattan club. I laugh at both parties.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on September 25, 2010, 03:07:51 PM
Karl is no surviliast, quite the opposite.  I find the manhattan favoritism ironic considering how quickly they abandoned your gang with donations in 2006 and 2008 :-) they ran back.  When the poll numbers told them to.  Hint: I'm a former member of the manhattan club. I laugh at both parties.

Imagine that.  ATJ avoiding a direct yes/no answer to a question.   :whatever:  Typical Lib.

You think you're being clever or smart or whatever with your references to 10 years ago etc.

But all it is...is a pretty pathetic attempt to find another way to repeat the typical ignorant Liberal meme that "it's Bush's fault".

Blame Bush all you want for the misdeeds you want where AA and Enron are concerned.  But if you were truly being honest with yourself you'd see that they have much deeper roots and made just as many donations to your fellow Libtards as they did any Republican.

And it sure wasn't a Republican PResident that Ken Lay was working on a sweetheart pipeline deal with over here in this part of the world now was it?
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on September 25, 2010, 03:19:43 PM
On May 19, 1994, Clinton met here with former Indian Prime Minister P.V. Rao. Rao told Clinton that India was interested in opening its centrally controlled economy up to American corporate investors.

Clinton, in turn, instructed then-Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary to lead a delegation of corporate executives to India on a trade mission.

"The mission marked the first official visit to India by a U.S. cabinet secretary in many years," Energy's internal trip report states.

Enron executives joined O'Leary on the July 1994 junket, whereupon they planted the seeds of the ill-fated Dabhol deal.

Then in January 1995, Lay accompanied Brown on the Commerce trade mission that helped seal the deal.

The Clinton administration got two federal export-finance agencies – the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corp. – to help underwrite the project by kicking in nearly $400 million in loans.

During the final negotiations, Clinton aide Thomas "Mack" McLarty rode herd on the project in Washington for Lay, his old energy-industry buddy.

He tracked the progress of Clinton's ambassador to India, Frank Wisner, who was helping speed the deal along.

Even Clinton pitched in to help his golfing partner, Lay, by sending McLarty memos and articles on the project.

(The ex-president's lobbying for the Enron deal even continued into the Bush administration, sources close to the Dabhol project say, when he visited Indian officials in Mumbai, India, in April. At the time, Enron was fighting the state electricity board for back payments.)

In June 1996, India gave final OK to Lay's project. Four days before the approval, Enron gave $100,000 to Clinton's party.

McLarty and Wisner were not forgotten. Lay snatched up McLarty for Enron when he left the White House. And Wisner got a seat on the board of an Enron subsidiary when he stepped down as ambassador in 1997.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=12439



Analysts agree that this clunker of a deal is what started the decline of Enron.  So when you start your "10 years ago" crap...I suggest that for the sake of honesty...you'd better make that "16 years ago".
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 04:02:29 PM
Which company did you work for?  Enron or Arthur Andersen?  Im guessing you had a large chunk of your retirement portfolio sunk into Enron stock right?

LOL, I graduated the year Kenny boy blew that place up, cost me a job offer but I got a free $3000 signing bonus for not having to work a day, I had another one rather quickly.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 25, 2010, 04:07:28 PM
So to answer your basic question.......Why do I obey the law........I do it because it is the honorable and civilized thing to do..........and I have the reasonable expectation that most others will as well.

Agreed--and I'd like to add, I do it to be a positive example for others to follow.  If one person follows my example and does the same, then I've left the world a better place.

Oh-- :hi5: given, DOC . . .
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
Here is why I laugh at the Tea Parties and the overall conservative movement and no, I'm not a typical liberal.

Conservatives are overly obsessed with the GM and Chrysler bailout over unions, which lost their power even within the Democratic party years ago.

However, as seen in another thread, banking bailouts and Federal Reserve Behavior seem to be OK to a better extent than the GM and Chrysler bailout even though, fundamentally, ethically, moral hazard wise, and monetarily they are going to cost the taxpayer more.

It is ironic, I hate .gov probably as much as most of you do, for entirely different reasons.  My reason are sane, yours are all imagined.

I swear you bitch about welfare, I don't care about welfare. Why I don't talk about it, it is a ridiculously small amount of bullshit.  It is like bitching about the national endowment of the arts.  Peanuts.    I'll tell you why simply, I'm smart enough I'll never have to turn to it as a first reason, I can always find a job somewhere.  The second reason is that it is such a small amount of money compared to other subsidies it isn't even on my agenda list of waste.  I could give a flying **** if a few ignorant assholes get some government cheese to keep them pacified when some really smart assholes are sending lobbyist to grab the whole nest egg.

I mean, we live in a culture of such pervasive fraud and you guys are worried about the kids stealing the piggy bank while armed robbers are taking your savings out of the bank.

That is why I honestly laugh, and I laugh at the DU crowd too.  They are a little worse than you are, but really in the same boat.  Which is the saddest thing, you are in the same boat and are too dumb to drop the finger pointing and look to the people that are actually screwing you.

Seriously, the Manhattan club dropped donating to your guys like bad apples in 2006 as soon as they saw the polling data and ran to the DNC for 4 years, they are now running back to you.  Not because they think you know what you are talking about, because they think you are going to win and what a place in the room.  The sick thing is like the dumbasses on the left, your leaders all going to welcome them in and kiss their ass even though without .gov support, they are bankrupt.

I could go on.  The system itself is corrupt and your heroes are all puppets.  Bitch about the DNC all you want, I look forward to February when the same shit is happening with your guys.

It is funny I think Barack Obama is a douche bag puppet.  I also think George W. Bush was a Douche bag puppet.  Yet I'm a liberal douche.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Allentownjake on September 25, 2010, 04:17:00 PM
Agreed--and I'd like to add, I do it to be a positive example for others to follow.  If one person follows my example and does the same, then I've left the world a better place.

Oh-- :hi5: given, DOC . . .

Good luck with that  :loser:
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on September 25, 2010, 04:22:19 PM
LOL, I graduated the year Kenny boy blew that place up, cost me a job offer but I got a free $3000 signing bonus for not having to work a day, I had another one rather quickly.

Still the refusal to answer a simple question with a simple answer.

You Libs avoid giving straightforward answers the say way you avoid reality and facts.

ETA: So you graduated in 1997?  When the Indian Power Plant project started to tank and drag share prices down?
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Doc on September 25, 2010, 04:33:09 PM
Here is why I laugh at the Tea Parties and the overall conservative movement and no, I'm not a typical liberal.

I swear you bitch about welfare, I don't care about welfare. Why I don't talk about it, it is a ridiculously small amount of bullshit.  It is like bitching about the national endowment of the arts.  Peanuts.    I'll tell you why simply, I'm smart enough I'll never have to turn to it as a first reason, I can always find a job somewhere.  The second reason is that it is such a small amount of money compared to other subsidies it isn't even on my agenda list of waste.  I could give a flying **** if a few ignorant assholes get some government cheese to keep them pacified when some really smart assholes are sending lobbyist to grab the whole nest egg.

I could go on.  The system itself is corrupt and your heroes are all puppets.  Bitch about the DNC all you want, I look forward to February when the same shit is happening with your guys.


Well....

(http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/usgs_chart_pie1.png)

I wouldn't call 12% of total expenditures "rediculously small"......

I guess that basically tells us  that for the most part you don't have a clue what you are talking about......and when you add in the "welfare" components that are included in both education and health (spelled MEDICAID)......you've substantially exceeded the defense budget.....including the price of the two "optional" wars you cited.

Jake....talk to us when you  do your homework, as it stands you are just pulling crap out of your ass.....doesn't sound like you are so smart after all.....just a tired out of work number crunching office drone, from an obsolete rust belt burg that the unions killed several decades ago......still bitching about Enron.....

You're ****ing pathetic.....

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Evil_Conservative on September 25, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
GM & Chrysler wouldn't have needed a bailout if they stopped making shitty cars.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 25, 2010, 05:31:29 PM
Good luck with that  :loser:

Unlike what you seem to imply by highlighting and ridiculing my post, I do believe that most people are good.  I also believe in a herd mentality--if one sees someone doing a bad act, they will be tempted to follow said individual and commit other bad acts.  As has been said to me, "Focus on the negative and the negative increases.  Focus on the positive, and the positive increases."  If one sees someone doing good, they are more likely to also do good.  Besides, only one person has to go out and "pay it forward," to borrow a phrase.

So, . . . GFY. :bird:
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: LC EFA on September 25, 2010, 05:34:57 PM
I obey the law in most cases because doing so is beneficial to my interests. In some cases because I don't really like the idea of prison.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: I_B_Perky on September 25, 2010, 08:13:04 PM
I obey the law because I spent a couple of nights in jail years ago. (bar brawl... they took everyone to jail)

I did not like it then and I doubt I would like it now.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: IassaFTots on September 25, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
I obey the law in most cases because doing so is beneficial to my interests. In some cases because I don't really like the idea of prison.
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Yup.  That would be the train I am riding on....
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Mike220 on September 25, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
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Yup.  That would be the train I am riding on....

Same here. I'm too good looking for prison.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Evil_Conservative on September 25, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iLH7Lb1Et8[/youtube]

You would be the belle of the ball.  Don't drop the soap.

Sorry, that was the best video I could find of Prison Mike.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: NHSparky on September 25, 2010, 11:59:17 PM
GM & Chrysler wouldn't have needed a bailout if they stopped making shitty cars.

Or if their workers weren't getting drunk and high on their lunch breaks.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: MrsSmith on September 26, 2010, 05:30:01 AM
Here is why I laugh at the Tea Parties and the overall conservative movement and no, I'm not a typical liberal.



So, you must have a much better idea for taking back the government than voting out incumbents and shaking up both parties.  Let's hear it... 
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TVDOC on September 26, 2010, 12:32:37 PM
So, you must have a much better idea for taking back the government than voting out incumbents and shaking up both parties.  Let's hear it... 

Jake doesn't have any real ideas......if you review his posts, he just wants to whine.........

Although he is cautious not to violate any of the rules here, his comments are very typical of most of the denizens of DU, regardless of their situations, or who holds the reins of political (or economic) power, he/they are never satisfied.  It's the "evil banks, evil corporations, evil Wall Street, evil Republicans, evil Democrats" mantra.........same old tired song, with multiple verses......

Like many of his ilk, everything is someone (or something) else's fault.........personal responsibility and personal effort, do not exist in their lexicon.........miserable, self-centered, narcissistic, and dependent.......as I said before pathetic.

The old sage, "when life gives you lemons.....make lemonade", would never occur to them........

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: MrsSmith on September 26, 2010, 01:48:34 PM
Jake doesn't have any real ideas......if you review his posts, he just wants to whine.........

Although he is cautious not to violate any of the rules here, his comments are very typical of most of the denizens of DU, regardless of their situations, or who holds the reins of political (or economic) power, he/they are never satisfied.  It's the "evil banks, evil corporations, evil Wall Street, evil Republicans, evil Democrats" mantra.........same old tired song, with multiple verses......

Like many of his ilk, everything is someone (or something) else's fault.........personal responsibility and personal effort, do not exist in their lexicon.........miserable, self-centered, narcissistic, and dependent.......as I said before pathetic.

The old sage, "when life gives you lemons.....make lemonade", would never occur to them........

doc
If he doesn't have any answers, then he should hush his "mouth" until he finds some.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: cavegal on September 26, 2010, 02:00:46 PM
I obey the law because I have not had a cavity search and do not want to start now.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TVDOC on September 26, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
If he doesn't have any answers, then he should hush his "mouth" until he finds some.

I certainly agree......however most lefties have difficulty with that premise.......

I know I'm misquoting, but....."......It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt......"

They never understand that.

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 26, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
My evil plans for world domination have not yet come to fruition, I must bide my time and conform for now.  For now...
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: rich_t on September 26, 2010, 02:29:05 PM
The OP makes me think of Jury Nullification.

I'm an advocate of it.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Godot showed up on September 26, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
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Here is why I laugh at the Tea Parties and the overall conservative movement and no, I'm not a typical liberal.

Conservatives are overly obsessed with the GM and Chrysler bailout over unions, which lost their power even within the Democratic party years ago.

However, as seen in another thread, banking bailouts and Federal Reserve Behavior seem to be OK to a better extent than the GM and Chrysler bailout even though, fundamentally, ethically, moral hazard wise, and monetarily they are going to cost the taxpayer more.


Do you live under a rock? You think the Obama bailouts, the various stimuli, including the first awful, absurdly ginormous one, and Bush's TARP before that are ok with Tea Party people/identifiers, and with conservatives generally? Have you seen the signs? Have you even listened to our main complaints about spending? And is Obamacare "peanuts" to you?


I'll give you points for not bringing up defense spending, at least not in this thread. That's the FIRST place every liberal wants to cut, despite the fact that it is the ONE budgetary area absolutely essential for national survival--and one of the few areas of federal spending specifically Constitutionally mandated; that also means a great deal to conservatives, whether or not spending falls within the ambit of federal Constitutional authority. And it's nothing to laugh at. Thus we should NOT be wasting money on a Department of Education, and the EPA has evolved into one of the worst drags on GDP in the nation's history. Neither is a specific, enumerated federal duty. If "general welfare" means EVERYTHING is potentially a federal duty, then why were other duties specifically enumerated? Or is the Constitution just a silly impediment to you?


We who stand against excessive federal spending when it is yoked to flatly anti-Constitutional federal intervention laugh at you--and we pity you as well. You strive so much to affect an above-the-fray pose, but your impenetrable pretense is just ensuring that you remain ignorant. I really don't know for sure if you believe your muck about detesting both parties, as if you really can’t see that the Dems will always raise taxes and always overspend, while the Republican party, though far from perfect, offers a political platform to oppose excessive spending (you need only examine the vote tallies on Obama’s/Pelosi’s/Reid’s spending sprees to see where the parties stand NOW). I’m fairly sure that you do see the difference and are, as I said before, just adopting a pose that you imagine places you among the cognoscenti, instead of where it really places you—among the willfully ignorant. No, no, not for you agreement with 60%+ of the country—why, any set of tenets that attracts so great a following must automatically be wrong to you, and you must automatically oppose it, lest you be counted among the hoi polloi. The problem with that kind of unthinking autoelitism is that the majority are very often correct.
On this board you’re dealing with highly educated, very well informed, and deeply and broadly experienced people possessing extraordinary intellects well above the national median, and you’d better get used to not being the smartest kid in class, because you’re not even close.

You COULD open your mind and learn a few things here—but I’m not holding my breath.




Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: MrsSmith on September 26, 2010, 03:46:52 PM

and the EPA has evolved into one of the worst drags on GDP in the nation's history.

The EPA is also flatly UnConstitutional and illegal given its power of uncompensated eminent domain.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: whiffleball on September 26, 2010, 05:24:37 PM

"My reason are sane, yours are all imagined.

....I'm smart....I can always... I could give... I mean...I honestly laugh...you are too dumb...
I could go on... I'm a liberal douche."

You're trying so hard to convince yourself that you're brilliant.  There must be a psychiatric term for this phenomenon. 
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TVDOC on September 26, 2010, 06:09:03 PM
You're trying so hard to convince yourself that you're brilliant.  There must be a psychiatric term for this phenomenon. 

Those excerpts could just as well be from an Obama speech, and they both suffer from the same malady......."malignant narcissism".....

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Strider on September 26, 2010, 08:13:06 PM
Those excerpts could just as well be from an Obama speech, and they both suffer from the same malady......."malignant narcissism".....

doc

Ist that the same as "Self Absorbed Asshole"....?
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Ptarmigan on September 26, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
Ist that the same as "Self Absorbed Asshole"....?

Pretty much. Also, I noticed narcissism comes hand in hand with anti-social and paranoid personality disorder. Also, borderline personality and histrionic personality disorder. Narcissists tend to be insecure and often feel persecuted and are sensitive to insults.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on September 27, 2010, 02:26:27 AM
I certainly agree......however most lefties have difficulty with that premise.......

I know I'm misquoting, but....."......It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt......"

They never understand that.

doc

If you ready between the lines...the underlying and recurring theme of ALL his posts is "it's Bush's fault".

His "ten years ago" reference in all his bloviating has to do with the Enron scandal and the fall of the Arthur Andersen accounting firm.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: Chris_ on September 27, 2010, 04:00:24 PM
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Why do YOU obey the law
So I can face myself in the mirror as a man
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: USA4ME on October 12, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
Here is why I laugh at the Tea Parties and the overall conservative movement and no, I'm not a typical liberal.

Conservatives are blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, you're a typical lib.

I hate I missed this little foot stomping and pouting secession.  Look, you're 31, not married, living at home, and making 1/2 what you did a year ago (if you can be believed at all).  You're just not that special, nor are you intelligent.

There's nothing wrong with this economy that conservative, free-market monetary policies won't fix.  Methaphorically speaking, finding a cure for this economy means isolating the disease that caused it.  The disease is liberalism.  The disease is you.  Until you recognize that you are the problem, you'll continue to have to revamp and kick down the road your quacky economic theories as to what the nation is facing.  I look forward, for entertainment purposes only, to watching you having to continually update your dooms day scenerios.

.
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: seabelle on October 12, 2010, 07:09:09 PM
::cough::  Not that there's anything wrong with it, but OET seems to be a refuge for banned DUers, too bad they're just as angry and clueless.  Unfortunately, seems the hottest topic threads are for registered users only :uhsure:

http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?board=86.0

Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TVDOC on October 12, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
One of ATJ's epistles:

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This is the last post in common sense.  I just gone done talking to a few workers in the electricians union locally.  Despite what the powers that be will tell you, these are articulate understanding men, with a very important skill.  I got on my soap box like I usually will.  I strongly supported the rights of my brothers in labor to organize and demand a fair wage for doing a good job near to perfection for a fair wage.  A wage that allows their children to at least accomplish what they have accomplished.  

I'm an accountant with a minor in economics, I was once given the keys to the castle by the anointed ones.  I achieved what my father what had hoped, I was the equivalent of my Great Grandfather with abilities.  However, I said not this time not this way.  I will not allow my fellow man to be exploited.

My friends in labor, while moved asked me to never give up their fight.  To never give up the idea of an honest day work being paid at the expense of those up the latter.  I promised them,  I will never forget who I am or where I am from.  I will not forget how the elites stole my great grandfather's wealth which he felt entitled.  Nor will I forget my great grandfather's struggle against the mine owners in eastern PA.  Nor will I forget they hung one of us.  On my mother's side

NO.  I will fight, till I can no longer breathe, and those who will exploit our labor will pay.  With their lives if necessary.

Despite what you may think of me, I'm a more scary orator than Antony when Caesar was assasinated, and I'm a more powerful speaker than you can imagine.  I temper in fear of myself. Soon I will use it against Mr. Obama to teach him a lesson of what happens when you betray the people who brought you to power.

Solidarity.

He certainly is impressed with himself........

doc
Title: Re: Why do YOU obey the law
Post by: TheSarge on October 13, 2010, 05:01:18 AM
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Despite what you may think of me, I'm a more scary orator than Antony when Caesar was assasinated, and I'm a more powerful speaker than you can imagine.  I temper in fear of myself. Soon I will use it against Mr. Obama to teach him a lesson of what happens when you betray the people who brought you to power.

You are a know nothing blowhard Liberal idiot who's just found a more creative way of saying "It's Bush's fault".

And once people at CC caught wise to your deceptive words...you ran like a schoolgirl who'd just seen a mouse.