Author Topic: Your five day week is in danger (Read 2533 times)

thundley4 · « **on:** March 16, 2010, 01:05:07 PM »

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:10 PM
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Your five day week is in danger


Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 01:11 PM by nadinbrzezinski
go ahead and laugh... but Unions are now agreeing to six day weeks.

Now you might ask why is this the case? Quite simple.... Unions are under attack, most unionized workers these days work for the Federal Government and the next union to be busted will be the NEA. It is time you people realize this. There is a class war ongoing, and we are losing. I mean it is even easier when you attack, attack and attack and even co-opt the victims into agreeing to hang themselves.

There is a reality, we are using the rope they're handing to us to hang ourselves. Some of us are even tying the knot and everything.

Now part of the problem, from what I am seeing on the edges, is that the Union movement is weak, getting weaker by the moment, and does not even know what were the principles behind it. You know like forty hour and five days a week. So for all of you NOT in unions, don't be too shocked when as a worker bee you are required to work six days a week, ok. Just don't. That is coming unless people finally stand up.

Oh and for you who are Management, we know that some of you are ALREADY working those hours and then some.

SO just expect things to get far worst. It seems there is nothing we can do about it.

I wonder what it will take to wake up workers in this country, make them realize THEY ARE WORKERS not middle class, and damn it take to the streets... and you know like strike and damn the consequences, because that is what it took to get those fast eroding benefits! (Not that people know these things any more)

Yes there are days I wonder if Americans will EVER wake up?

preemptively, since I know there are some even here, that defend this union busting (I mean we know teachers suck, doncha know? And yes, that is the next large union now in the process of getting busted! And some people laugh, point and play the fiddle while Rome burns)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7929148

As long as they leave my 3 day week alone.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:13 PM
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3. My hubby's union

just did that...

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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:13 PM
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4. It's the wal-mart way

My wife has not worked a 5 day week in a long time.

And you haven't worked in a long time , right?

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no limit (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:14 PM
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5. If they want me to work saturdays I'm fine with the over time

it would be a blessing actually. But the company I work for doesnt have the money for that, the only threat I have to my 5 day week is getting some of my days cut.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:17 PM
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7. No, not overtime

six day weeks\ forty hours

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no limit (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:19 PM
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12. Ok, then whats the problem? its the same hours

if you don't like them go to a different job. If a manager wants 6 day weeks at 6.5 hours a day then the job probably calls for such a schedule.

No, no, no, you lousy Freeper Troll the companies are there to provide jobs on according to the employees wishes. Alert !!

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:21 PM
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14. Ye are part of the problem, not the solution

Have a good day, if you cannot see the problem with this, there is nothing I can do for ya son.

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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:41 PM
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34. You lose a day off.

Your weekend loses a day. Plus that's one more day you have to drive or otherwise commute.

For example, now you're working 7 hours a day during the week instead of 8 hours, so you have to come in Saturday and work 5 more to get your 40.

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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:17 PM
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8. Overtime pay?

don't count on it without a union to negotiate it for you.

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no limit (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:18 PM
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9. Anything over 40 you get overtime by law

Unions are great in many cases, but I dont need them to get overtime.

You'd have nothing without unions.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:20 PM
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13. And you think that cannot be changed?

You really believe the next effort will not be to weaken overtime laws to the point that you will NOT get overtime?

Are people this damn gullible?

And yes, laws have already been creatively fiddled with where many workers are now "management" who do NOT get OT pay...

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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:22 PM
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18. Well, if you aren't salaried, that is

If you are salaried, you get paid for 40 hours a week no matter how many hours you work.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts)    Tue Mar-16-10 01:19 PM
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11. Well realize Unions are about 7% of all the work force

so in reality they can ignore them unions. Why you think EFCA will not pass if they can help it, or be so damn weak it will be useless?

We can only hope it doesn't pass.

Ralph Wiggum · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:09:37 PM »

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kdmorris (1000+ posts)
Tue Mar-16-10 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. Well, if you aren't salaried, that is

If you are salaried, you get paid for 40 hours a week no matter how many hours you work.

Not always true. It depends on your employment agreement and/or the state you work in.

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:13:43 PM »

My dad worked for the city dump and worked 4 days on and 4 days off. lol.

NHSparky · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:25:01 PM »

There is so much wrong with the OP and the DUmpmonkey poo-flinging I don't even know where to begin, but let me start somewhere...

First, civil servant unions such as NEA, SEIU, etc, will NEVER agree to six-day workweeks without SERIOUS salary enhancements (that's payraises, DUmmies).

In a day and age when most states and towns are looking to CUT, not expand, forcing workers, teachers (and yes, students) to come in will increase costs to the government even if you don't raise salaries one dime.

I'd love to find ONE union which is agreeing to foist a six-day workweek on their members without some serious giveback from the companies asking for them. Were that the case the rank-and-file would almost break the sound barrier in getting that union decertified.

dandi · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:25:37 PM »

**** a union

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:27:39 PM »

With so many DUmmies and others wanting to force teenagers and people to be forced to "volunteer" for National Service.... shouldn't we expect all government employees to be volunteers for a month or two each year?

Flame · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:31:32 PM »

Seems to me that instead of a 6 daay work week, there would be a push to a 4 day work week...cut costs that way.

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:35:21 PM »

Quote from: Flame on March 16, 2010, 01:31:32 PM

Seems to me that instead of a 6 daay work week, there would be a push to a 4 day work week...cut costs that way.

How will that really cut costs? Businesses would have to hire people to work a couple days each week?

NHSparky · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:42:13 PM »

Quote from: FGL on March 16, 2010, 01:35:21 PM

How will that really cut costs? Businesses would have to hire people to work a couple days each week?

That would be one thing, if they kept business open. Better to pay two part-time employees no or minimal benefits than one-full time employee with full benefits.

But seriously, town offices around here are simply not open a couple of days a month. Then again, if my company told me I was now working a 4-10's schedule, I'd be happy as a clam.

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2010, 01:44:57 PM »

Quote from: NHSparky on March 16, 2010, 01:42:13 PM

That would be one thing, if they kept business open. Better to pay two part-time employees no or minimal benefits than one-full time employee with full benefits.

But seriously, town offices around here are simply not open a couple of days a month. Then again, if my company told me I was now working a 4-10's schedule, I'd be happy as a clam.

The DUmmies want to force them to give part timers full benefits if it comes to that.

Karin · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:02:27 PM »

Yes, I can see 4 day workweeks for govmint employees, i.e. 32 hours in grossly mismanaged states like CA and NY. This would be for hourly clerical people, and only after a new governor would crush the union to let him do it.
I doubt factories would do this, they'd lose their economies of scale. Startup/shutdown costs would be too costly & disruptive. Don't worry, Nadine the commie, you'll get plenty of ass-sitting time.

That no limit was really breaking her proverbial balls, wasn't he?

DumbAss Tanker · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:06:45 PM »

There's kind of a misconception about Federal employee unions; while they have the responsibility to cover everyone in the bargaining unit, Federal civil service employees in the bargaining unit don't actually have to pay dues and join them. All that paying dues really gets you is the right to vote in the union elections and hold union office. As a result, in DOD anyway, the actual paid union membership is a tiny fraction of the total number of employees the union represents. This is of course one of the reasons they want card check -- though everywhere I've been in civil service, they would be counting on those too lazy to decline dues payments as opposed to intimidating anyone into it. When you cover 800 people and only have a dozen dues-paying members, it's kind of tough to intimidate anybody into anything.

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:20:35 PM »

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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:22 PM
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18. Well, if you aren't salaried, that is

If you are salaried, you get paid for 40 hours a week no matter how many hours you work.

Had a salaried job once. Miserable conditions. Miserable wages. Was making less than minimum for the hours I worked.

But I knoew if I quit too soon I'd shoot myself in the foot vis-a-vis my resume.

So I toughed it out for 3.5 years. With a decent amount of experience under my belt I quit because I hated that job and it wasn't worth it. I got another job where my since-acquired work experience mattered and the pay and conditions were far superior.

It was an investment in my own skill-set capital.

Too bad these idiots will never be mentally free enough to manage their own cost-benefit-investment analysis of their own lives.

USA4ME · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:32:22 PM »

If it were up to me, the only days Congress would get paid would be the days they didn't show up. Sure would cost us a lot less in the long run.

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The Village Idiot · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:38:32 PM »

Quote from: USA4ME on March 16, 2010, 02:32:22 PM

If it were up to me, the only days Congress would get paid would be the days they didn't show up. Sure would cost us a lot less in the long run.

I get rid of all their bennies and stuff. No shower, no gym, no restaurant/cafeteria in the building blah blah ... no franking, no per diem....

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:42:39 PM »

Quote from: USA4ME on March 16, 2010, 02:32:22 PM

If it were up to me, the only days Congress would get paid would be the days they didn't show up. Sure would cost us a lot less in the long run.

Agree. It always seems funny to me when the socialist media whines about "gridlock" in Congress. Gridlock is good.

diesel driver · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 16, 2010, 02:20:35 PM

Had a salaried job once. Miserable conditions. Miserable wages. Was making less than minimum for the hours I worked.

But I knoew if I quit too soon I'd shoot myself in the foot vis-a-vis my resume.

So I toughed it out for 3.5 years. With a decent amount of experience under my belt I quit because I hated that job and it wasn't worth it. I got another job where my since-acquired work experience mattered and the pay and conditions were far superior.

It was an investment in my own skill-set capital.

Too bad these idiots will never be mentally free enough to manage their own cost-benefit-investment analysis of their own lives.

That's what the government is for....

diesel driver · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:04:24 PM »

Quote from: GOBUCKS on March 16, 2010, 02:42:39 PM

Agree. It always seems funny to me when the socialist media whines about "gridlock" in Congress. Gridlock is good.

The 9 most frightening words in the English language are:
"We're from the government, and we're here to help."

If you want the least done for the most amount of money, let the government do it....

diesel driver · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:13:41 PM »

Hells Bells! What a bunch of whiny, self-absorbed, self-centered, crybaby pussies!

They should try owning/working on a dairy farm....
I like to see one of these morons tell the cows they won't be milked or fed today because it's he/she/its day off....

F'n losers, every one....

jukin · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:30:49 PM »

BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT.... BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT!!!!

The DUmbass is closer to being right than it thinks. The Obama economy is going to force a huge percentage of the work force into part time jobs.

I'm giving this DUchebag the "Wrong Way" award for getting the conclusion correct but the path completely wrong.

Karin · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:44:00 PM »

Nadine's over there, rabble-rousing, trying to start a riot in the street. Big rant about how all employers want to go back to 19th century-era factory practices, such as child labor and huge unprotected vats of acid and some such. Nobody knows the history, so she's going to write up some tracts and hand them out in the street. Nobody really want to go with her....

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:25 PM
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22. How long until people finally rise up?
Oh wait, that ain't gonna happen.

Enjoy the rope.

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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:32 PM
26. You know, while you may even be right on some points, your method of delivery
leaves something to be desired. You do realize that people are suffering right now, yes? Clinging to the measly three days a week that they can squeeze our of their employer so that they can feed their kids?

Uh...everybody please go home and teach your children well:

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 02:15 PM
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44. There have been some polls done
and kids these days do like socialism in principle.

And personally I love social democracy since it like works... and such.

That is also the reason why the Tea Baggers are having a hell of a time getting the kids to nod in agreement when they scream OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!! RUN FER THEM HILLS!!!! PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!!!

Mostly kids are going... Socialist? What is that? They forgot, kids under thirty grew up under Reagan but NOT during the Cold War.

Our friend.....

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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 02:56 PM
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53. This is why i'm not a worker
It would really cut into my drinking time. What is that old saying...Work is the curse of the drinking class?

DefiantSix · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:44:46 PM »

Quote from: jukin on March 16, 2010, 03:30:49 PM

I'm giving this DUchebag the "Wrong Way" award for getting the conclusion correct but the path completely wrong.

My high school Algebra teacher would pull his hair out when I did that.

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:48:10 PM »

Nadin.. or maybe its really Mika!

You are NUTS

crockspot · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:58:18 PM »

From what I saw at IBM, they were pushing for four day weeks (ten hours), and if possible, one of those days being telecommute from home. It cut costs both for the company, and the worker. 40% less gas used on commute alone.

Carl · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2010, 04:31:48 PM »

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 02:15 PM
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44. There have been some polls done
and kids these days do like socialism in principle.

And personally I love social democracy since it like works... and such.

That is also the reason why the Tea Baggers are having a hell of a time getting the kids to nod in agreement when they scream OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!! RUN FER THEM HILLS!!!! PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!!!

Mostly kids are going... Socialist? What is that? They forgot, kids under thirty grew up under Reagan but NOT during the Cold War

I will guarantee you that a huge majority of immature minds will fawn all over socialism in principle.
Some grow up and out of it and some never do.

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