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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: mrclose on November 05, 2017, 03:04:26 PM
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Breaking!
At least 27 people have died after a gunman opened fire at a church in Texas during Sunday services.
The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs in Wilson County.
A police commissioner at the scene confirmed that at least 27 people had died. Several others are reported to be injured.
The San Antonio FBI branch said its agents had been deployed, and there was no indication of the gunman's motive.
The FBI also said that while only one shooter was reported, it was looking into other possibilities.
Local ABC affiliate KSAT 12 reported the gunman entered the church at around 11:30 local time (17:30 GMT). It also said he had been killed in the aftermath.
Photos and video from the scene showed the area taped off by local law enforcement.
A number of helicopters have arrived to transport the wounded, KSAT 12 reporter Max Massey said.
Texas governor Greg Abbott said: "Our prayers are with all who were harmed by this evil act. Our thanks to law enforcement for their response."
He said more details would be released by the Texas Department of Public Safety shortly.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41880511
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Some of the comments on FOX News are vile.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/mass-shooting-reported-at-texas-sutherland-springs-church.html
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The shooter was just another deranged, gun-loving Trump worshiper, despondent over the impending demise of his Dear Orange Messiah's illegitimate Presidency.
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God the Gun supporters and NRA have wrecked the country !!
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Dems renew calls for gun control in wake of Texas church shooting
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/358868-democrats-renew-calls-for-gun-control-in-wake-of-texas-church-shooting
Democrats are renewing their calls for gun reform after news reports surfaced about a mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
Multiple people are dead after gunfire erupted at the church, which is not far outside San Antonio, according to reports.
Sens. Bob Casey (Pa.) and Dick Durbin (Ill.) were among the Demoncrats who urged Congress to act in response to the latest deadly shooting.
"I’m thinking of and praying for all those impacted by the shooting in Texas. In addition to offering my prayers and thoughts I also believe Congress must take action on gun violence," Casey wrote in two separate tweets.
The Dems are at it again. We do not even know who the killer is.
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Hmm, thought that no one should jump to conclusions & politicize such a horrible act.
Only Democrats can, I guess.
Not even wading into DUmmyville for their sick reactions.
My thoughts & prayers to the community.
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Hmm, thought that no one should jump to conclusions & politicize such a horrible act.
Only Democrats can, I guess.
Not even wading into DUmmyville for their sick reactions.
My thoughts & prayers to the community.
Pretty sickening of them like what Hayley Geftman Gold said after the Las Vegas Massacre.
That being said, I like to extend my deepest and utmost condolences to the people of Sutherland Springs.
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According to this article he was in "full combat dress" whatever that means.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html)
What gets into people to cause them to do something like this? :mental:
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According to this article he was in "full combat dress" whatever that means.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html)
What gets into people to cause them to do something like this? :mental:
I don't know. The killer has not been identified.
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Twitter is full of leftist idiots.
Eugene Gu, MD
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Best way to honor the victims of Sutherland Springs is to strengthen our gun control laws and prevent these massacres from happening again.
12:29 PM - 5 Nov 2017
Amy Pond @AmyPondResists 1h1 hour ago
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Trucks were made for a purpose other than killing. Guns were made for exactly that. There's a big damn difference.
One of the things that would help would be taking away guns from domestic abusers. Would it stop every shooting? No, but it WOULD stop a lot of them. That may /1
Amy Pond @AmyPondResists 32m32 minutes ago
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I still think the biggest difference is one is made for killing, so agree to disagree.
Amy Pond @AmyPondResists 30m30 minutes ago
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And sorry, I don't see gun safety as punishment. Not even a little. Not when too many actual innocents are killed with weapons made to do just that- kill.
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Dan Porter @Jihad025 1h1 hour ago
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Now Joel olstein will find a way to profit from it.
Dan Porter @Jihad025 1h1 hour ago
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A random baptist church? Really? Couldn't he at least have hit Joel olstein? Then he'd at least have a little respect.
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Common Citizen @stuartjennifer 1h1 hour ago
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...from happening again AND AGAIN AND AGAIN! This is New Rebulican Age of Trump. This is #TheDeconstructionOfAmerica!
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Bill Madden
https://twitter.com/activist360/status/927276393460850689
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27 dead, 24 injured in Sutherland Springs: Once again, our problem is not Muslims. It's imbeciles in denial about a country awash in guns.
12:48 PM - 5 Nov 2017
How about leftist problem?
Jacqueline Espinal @JackieEspinal4U 1h1 hour ago
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Replying to @activist360
#EnoughIsEnough we must #StopNRA
Chris Winner @MrChrisWinner 1h1 hour ago
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The NRA is public enemy number 1
Jacqueline Espinal @JackieEspinal4U 1h1 hour ago
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@NRA is the most dangerous domestic terrorist organization #EnoughIsEnough
How about ALF, ELF, Greenpeace, and PETA.
Kristen @kfadich 1h1 hour ago
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There were gun holders in the church....that didn't stop it. The @NRA is liars
Trenchtown Rock @TrenchtownTweet 21m21 minutes ago
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Very Incorrect. Gun violence per capita is lower all across Europe.
Trenchtown Rock @TrenchtownTweet 13m13 minutes ago
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Mexico is also lower than the USA. Stop making bs up.
How about those drug wars in Mexico?
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For a different perspective, mainly for the whiny assed libs, check this out:
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Police-Two-shot-during-home-invasion-in-Logan-County-455197643.html (http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Police-Two-shot-during-home-invasion-in-Logan-County-455197643.html)
One of the reasons WV has a low crime rate. We shoot the criminals.
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No offense to those of my conservative friends who are on Twitter. But I have found it to be a cesspool of mostly leftist group think. Started a couple of accounts, but just don't have time to deal with so many mindless idiots.
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The killer has been identified as Devin Patrick Kelley.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer
Devin Kelley
https://everipedia.org/wiki/devin-kelley-1/
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No offense to those of my conservative friends who are on Twitter. But I have found it to be a cesspool of mostly leftist group think. Started a couple of accounts, but just don't have time to deal with so many mindless idiots.
Twitter is a cesspool. Thank god I do not have an account there.
They are such vultures right now in light of the massacre.
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remember there was a story about antifa meeting with ISIS in Europe during the G20 protests.
The killer may well be a Lefty.
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From various sources (Of which I am posting the link where it was first reported) new information:
(It is not clear if the photos shown are the guy but the name and background are supposed to be correct according to CBS!?)
Texas Church Shooter is in Southerland Springs, TX is Identified as Devon Patrick Kelly
Church members seemed to have known the perpetrator, who some call a convert to Islam
http://www.smobserved.com/story/2017/11/05/news/texas-church-shooter-is-in-southerland-springs-tx-is-identified-as-devon-patrick-kelly/3188.html
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Texas church shooting: Who is gunman Devin Patrick Kelley?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html
The gunman previously served in the U.S. Air Force, an Air Force spokesperson confirmed to Fox News. Kelley served at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge.
He was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and his child. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force, in addition to confinement for 12 months and was reduced in rank.
Devin Kelley was dishonorably discharged from the United States Air Force.
UPDATE: Sutherland Springs Shooter Devin Kelley Was Dishonorably Discharged, Court Martialed in 2014 – Against the Law to Own Guns
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/update-sutherland-springs-shooter-devin-kelley-dishonorable-discharged-court-martialed-2014-law-guns/
Devin Kelley was court martialed in 2014 after a dishonorable discharge.
Here is the case number:
No. 14-0387/AF. U.S. v. Devin P. KELLEY. CCA 38267.
According to McMilitary Law: States have laws for gun control for court martial cases.
Will I be able to own firearms?
Federal and state laws do place restrictions on the purchase of firearms by those convicted of felonies. 18 USC § 922(b). Many jurisdictions distinguish between violent and non-violent offenses.
It was against the law for Devin to own firearms.
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From various sources (Of which I am posting the link where it was first reported) new information:
(It is not clear if the photos shown are the guy but the name and background are supposed to be correct according to CBS!?)
Texas Church Shooter is in Southerland Springs, TX is Identified as Devon Patrick Kelly
http://www.smobserved.com/story/2017/11/05/news/texas-church-shooter-is-in-southerland-springs-tx-is-identified-as-devon-patrick-kelly/3188.html
That article has multiple problems. The first two paragraphs:
The shooter walked into the church in Southerland Springs Texas at 11/45 am. Churchgoers knew the shooter, Devon Patrick Kelly, who carried automatic weapons.
The shooter is dead. He has not been officially identified, but Mustachio Tweeted: #texaschurchshooting shooter is 29 year old US marine turned muslim convert, Samir Al-Hajeed. His manifesto is making its rounds on the web."
The killer did not use "automatic weapons".
The killer is not currently a member of any of the US armed forces.
The killer was in the Air Force.
The "paper" that posted this is in Santa Monica, CA, an Orange County beach city half a continent (nearly 1400 miles) away from where the shooting happened.
The "source" for "paper"'s "report" is an annoymorous Twitter user who may live in Xian, China for all readers know.
The "paper" that posted this is a weekly freebie throwaway whose major activity seems to be publishing DBA notices. IOW, it's a little more credible as a news source than the now defunct Weekly World News (home of "Bat Boy").
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Texas church shooting: Who is gunman Devin Patrick Kelley?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html
Devin Kelley was dishonorably discharged from the United States Air Force.
UPDATE: Sutherland Springs Shooter Devin Kelley Was Dishonorably Discharged, Court Martialed in 2014 – Against the Law to Own Guns
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/update-sutherland-springs-shooter-devin-kelley-dishonorable-discharged-court-martialed-2014-law-guns/
Yet he legally purchased his gun(s). The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.
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Yet he legally purchased his gun(s). The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.
There are no laws that would have kept this from happening. Other than make liberals feel useful.
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Yet he legally purchased his gun(s). The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.
Supposedly, he falsified the one answer to a question about the disposition of his prior service; i.e., dishonorable discharge or the like.
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Supposedly, he falsified the one answer to a question about the disposition of his prior service; i.e., dishonorable discharge or the like.
True, but the purpose of the federal background checks are to catch those lies.
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I read today in military.com that the perp didn't receive a DD - he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, reduced to E-1, and thrown out of the AF. His crime was assaulting his then-wife and child. The assaults occurred in 2012 and he got his Big Chicken Dinner in 2014.
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I read today in military.com that the perp didn't receive a DD - he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, reduced to E-1, and thrown out of the AF. His crime was assaulting his then-wife and child. The assaults occurred in 2012 and he got his Big Chicken Dinner in 2014.
And he purchased his weapon after that.
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If he was convicted of assaulting his wife or had a DD both disqualifies him from owning a gun.
If he purchased the guns from a licensed dealer it is the states fault for not denying the purchase when his background check was performed.
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If he was convicted of assaulting his wife or had a DD both disqualifies him from owning a gun.
If he purchased the guns from a licensed dealer it is the states fault for not denying the purchase when his background check was performed.
What if the Air Force didn't tell the FBI about the domestic assault?
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What if the Air Force didn't tell the FBI about the domestic assault?
Then that is the fault of the federal government and the laws they have passed regarding background checks.
I've always assumed that federal agencies should share information that would affect gun rights.
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If he was convicted of assaulting his wife or had a DD both disqualifies him from owning a gun.
If he purchased the guns from a licensed dealer it is the states fault for not denying the purchase when his background check was performed.
The State of Texas does not require a background check. That is a federal requirement.
If the perp bought the rifle from a private seller, that would circumvent the intent to keep wife-beaters from buying weapons. But if he bought it from a licensed dealer, there should have been a background check.
Let's talk about the dumbass form that is used to initiate the background check - I'm too lazy to look up the number right now.
It's a series of questions for the purchaser that asks things like "Are you a fugitive from justice?"
That's federal law for you. :whatever:
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What if the Air Force didn't tell the FBI about the domestic assault?
then the gubermint is guilty allowing a disqualified person from getting a gun.
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The State of Texas does not require a background check. That is a federal requirement.
If the perp bought the rifle from a private seller, that would circumvent the intent to keep wife-beaters from buying weapons. But if he bought it from a licensed dealer, there should have been a background check.
Let's talk about the dumbass form that is used to initiate the background check - I'm too lazy to look up the number right now.
It's a series of questions for the purchaser that asks things like "Are you a fugitive from justice?"
That's federal law for you. :whatever:
I read that he bought the rifle from a sporting goods store.
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The State of Texas does not require a background check. That is a federal requirement.
If the perp bought the rifle from a private seller, that would circumvent the intent to keep wife-beaters from buying weapons. But if he bought it from a licensed dealer, there should have been a background check.
Let's talk about the dumbass form that is used to initiate the background check - I'm too lazy to look up the number right now.
It's a series of questions for the purchaser that asks things like "Are you a fugitive from justice?"
That's federal law for you. :whatever:
it is a 4473
link:https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download (https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download)
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I read that he bought the rifle from a sporting goods store.
Then that store will be getting lots of visits from the feds. They're gonna be asking lots of questions.
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it is a 4473
link:https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download (https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download)
Thanks.
This form is a joke.
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Thanks.
This form is a joke.
OTOH, it does allow for federal prosecution if the person lies on it.
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OTOH, it does allow for federal prosecution if the person lies on it.
Generally only if the firearm is used in conjunction with another felony. Prosecutions for lying on the form are rare.
IOW, it's yet another mostly useless document that is used to restrict law-abiding people from their 2nd Amendment rights. This is what we trade away in the illusion of "security" and "safety".
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Bearing Arms found the reason . . .
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/11/06/texas-church-killer-purchased-four-guns-four-years/
The pertinent paragraph:
For what it’s worth, it sounds like the shooter’s court-martial conviction didn’t get added to the database used by the NICS.
However, before that, Tom Knighton manages to include this little item:
In April 2016, [the shooter] purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.
At one point, the shooter tried to get a license to carry a gun in Texas but was denied by the state, Abbott said, citing the director of Texas’ Department of Public Safety.
“So how was it that he was able to get a gun? By all the facts that we seem to know, he was not supposed to have access to a gun,” Abbott said. “So how did this happen?”
Someone screwed the pooch.
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Then that store will be getting lots of visits from the feds. They're gonna be asking lots of questions.
You can bet your ass the BATF will be going through their records with a fine toothed comb. Any 4473 that is missing a dotted I or a uncrossed T will be written up.
Obviously this is a case of the records not being complete. his domestic violence conviction is a cause for denial as well.
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You can bet your ass the BATF will be going through their records with a fine toothed comb. Any 4473 that is missing a dotted I or a uncrossed T will be written up.
Obviously this is a case of the records not being complete. his domestic violence conviction is a cause for denial as well.
according to a report on Weaslezippers, the Air Force did not file the conviction paperwork. :argh:
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Devin Kelley's troubled past included divorce, domestic battery, and time in the stockade
http://www.ksdk.com/article/news/nation-now/devin-kelleys-troubled-past-included-divorce-domestic-battery-and-time-in-the-stockade/465-da30c007-039b-45c1-92b5-9610ae667888
NEW BRAUNFELS, Tex. – The 26-year-old gunman responsible for the deadly mass shooting at a Texas church had a long, troubled past – divorce, domestic battery and a failed U.S. Air Force career that ended with time in military prison – before he carried out the macabre attack on Sunday worshipers, authorities said.
Investigators are still probing what led Devin Kelley to target the First Baptist Church in the small town of Sutherland Springs, Texas, but authorities noted he was embroiled in an ongoing domestic dispute with his wife’s family. His mother-in-law had attended the church, but his in-laws were not at Sunday’s deadly service.
“We can tell you that there was a domestic situation going on within his family,” said Texas Department of Public Safety regional director Freeman Martin. “The mother-in-law had attended this church. We know she had received threatening texts from him.”
Shouldn't Devin Kelley gotten a dishonorable discharge since he broke the child's skull? That is really bad. I know he got a bad conduct discharge is above dishonorable discharge.
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Officials: Family threats preceded mass shooting at First Baptist Church
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Officials-Family-threats-preceded-mass-shooting-12336722.php
No divorce records for Kelley are on file in Comal County, where he lived. Three years ago, sheriff’s deputies responded to a suspected domestic disturbance at Kelley’s address on FM 2722 two months before his marriage to Danielle Shields, records show.
A friend had called authorities after Shields sent text messages complaining she was being abused by her boyfriend. The deputies’ report identifies the male subject involved as “Devin,” but says no action was taken and describes the situation as “a teenaged drama.”
Kelley was also named as a suspect in a reported sexual assault four years ago, according to redacted records released by the Comal County Sheriff’s Office on Monday. The report was taken at 11:44 p.m. on June 17, 2013, and lists the offense as “rape by force.” The name of the victim is redacted, and no additional details were available Monday.
He was under investigation for sexual assault. I wonder why he did not go to prison for that.
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From the now deleted LinkedIn page.
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/devinlinkedin.png)
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Speaking of twitter:
Obama sent out a two-part message on Twitter Sunday evening, repeating his usual call for gun control.
“We grieve with all the families in Sutherland Springs harmed by this act of hatred, and we’ll stand with the survivors as they recover. May God also grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst,” Obama stated.
http://dennismichaellynch.com/obama-responds-to-texas-shooting-on-twitter-dml-hits-back/
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Texas church shooter Devin Kelley once escaped from a psychiatric hospital while in the Air Force
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/07/texas-church-shooter-devin-kelley-once-escaped-from-psychiatric-hospital-while-in-air-force.html
Texas church shooter Devin Kelley escaped from a psychiatric hospital five years before carrying out the worst mass killing in Texas history, according to a police report released on Tuesday.
The report stated that El Paso police were advised Kelley, then 21, was a danger to himself and others as he had been caught smuggling firearms onto Holloman Air Base in New Mexico and was trying to carry out death threats against military superiors.
Kelley stormed the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday as services were being held, killing 26 people, including an 18-month-old and a pregnant woman, and wounding 20 others. Officials said that before the shooting Kelley sent threatening texts to his mother-in-law who attended the church but wasn’t there Sunday.
Making a death threat against military superiors is grounds for a dishonorable discharge on top of nearly killing the child. That is really bad. :mad: :argh:
He should of never been in the Air Force. How did he end up in the Air Force? :mental:
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Twitter is full of leftist idiots.
Eugene Gu, MD
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/927271620703645697
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Who else BUT mindless twits would even bother to go there?