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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: miskie on April 21, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
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You read that right. Stupidity linked here. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5505879)
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 04:01 PM
Original message
Why Not Pay People to NOT Work
Yes, you read it correctly. The government should just pay people to NOT work. Here's my reasoning:
1. There has been negative Job Growth in the Private Sector. When you analyze the economic data for this decade, private sector job growth has declined, esp. when take out the job growth related to the credit/housing/consumption bubble.
2. Outsourcing of Manufacturing and IT jobs to low labor cost production nations will continue and strengthen even when the credit markets stabilize. The American worker cannot compete with $2/hr. labor. They just cannot.
3. The economy is still largely dependent on the U.S. consumer. Paying a percentage of the workforce to NOT work allows them to continue consuming which will save some jobs.
4. This program would be paid for by cutting defense spending, raising corporate taxes on mega corporations, and closing tax loopholes.
By paying a significant percentage of the U.S. workforce to stay home and NOT work, we will do more to stabilize and support the economy. We will be saving the jobs of the people who are dependent on consumer spending.
For a bunch of folks who feel that waterboarding is wrong, they certainly enjoy torture when it comes to logic.
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Early bid for DUmmie of the year? :banghead:
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Umm, isn't that what we're doing now?
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ECONOMICS 101: While inflation has many causes one of its primary exciters is too much currency chasing too few goods. In other words: if everyone were a millionaire a loaf of bread would cost $1,000. Poor people actually keep prices down as suppliers attempt to reach as broad a market spectrum as production costs will allow.
By paying people to not work:
A) the non-workers do not, by definition, produce thus lowering the number of goods available to be spent on the ever-increaasing cash supply.
B) the cash supply increases because cash is being fed into the system independent of productive output, i.e. paying non-producers
C) productivity will further decrease when people realize they can be paid for doing nothing. You will have to write a law that will dictate who is allowed to not work for a living and who must support them.
D) those who do remain productive will see their wages and profits evaporate as they pay for non-producers thus limiting their ability to act as consumers in particularly critical ways, i.e. investment, retooling, hiring etc.
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Umm, isn't that what we're doing now?
Hell man, we've been doing it for 50 years already......and the democrats will continue doing until they run out of everyone elses money.
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
3. Me! Pick Me!
:bouncy:
We have a volunteer.
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Stupid like that must hurt.
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Stupid like that must hurt.
If only. See #1 in sigline.
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After one of my rare forays into DU, the only thing I can do is shake my head in utter disgust and marvel at the capacity of the human mind for idiocy. :mental:
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts)
Tue Apr-21-09 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. When GM Collapses
it will flush thousands of workers into the work force at a bad time. These workers have little or no real job prospects, and they will only add to the misery.
Why not just pay them to stay home? That will take them out of the job market and decrease competition for jobs.
Basically, this DUmmy is acknowledging that his UAW union brethren are unqualified for work. Good job, we've all known that for years.
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ECONOMICS 101: While inflation has many causes one of its primary exciters is too much currency chasing too few goods. In other words: if everyone were a millionaire a loaf of bread would cost $1,000. Poor people actually keep prices down as suppliers attempt to reach as broad a market spectrum as production costs will allow.
By paying people to not work:
A) the non-workers do not, by definition, produce thus lowering the number of goods available to be spent on the ever-increaasing cash supply.
B) the cash supply increases because cash is being fed into the system independent of productive output, i.e. paying non-producers
C) productivity will further decrease when people realize they can be paid for doing nothing. You will have to write a law that will dictate who is allowed to not work for a living and who must support them.
D) those who do remain productive will see their wages and profits evaporate as they pay for non-producers thus limiting their ability to act as consumers in particularly critical ways, i.e. investment, retooling, hiring etc.
E) high inflation will devalue the very money that the government spends, so it must spend more to compensate, thus causing even more inflation.
F) with nothing of substance to back up the dollar, the government just keeps printing and spending money like there's no tomorrow and further increasing inflation and the debt. The dollar (or just about any paper money) isn't technically actual money, but a banknote; a contract of future payment with something more substantial, and eventually that debt will have to be repaid. And more dollars simply won't cut it then.
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Once again DUmmies do not disappoint in being the first to take from society rather then contribute to it.
Useless pieces of shit.
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Once again DUmmies do not disappoint in being the first to take from society rather then contribute to it.
Useless pieces of shit.
Carl, sir, you're too nice in describing the primitives.
My opinion's even lower.
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Basically, this DUmmy is acknowledging that his UAW union brethren are unqualified for work. Good job, we've all known that for years.
the UAW admitted this several years ago when they got the car companies to agree to pay them for not working. This would be the perfect "job" for those UAW members.
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You read that right. Stupidity linked here. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5505879)
For a bunch of folks who feel that waterboarding is wrong, they certainly enjoy torture when it comes to logic.
Logic should file a civil rights lawsuit against DU
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We have a volunteer.
DU goes wild with happy just thinking about it!!
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:angryvillagers: :angryvillagers: :angryvillagers: :angryvillagers: :angryvillagers:
:cheerleader: :cheerleader2: :newyear: :rocker: :bigbird: :bow2: :bitchslap:
:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
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Yavin4
Why Not Pay People to NOT Work
Yes, you read it correctly. The government should just pay people to NOT work. Here's my reasoning:
1. There has been negative Job Growth in the Private Sector. When you analyze the economic data for this decade, private sector job growth has declined, esp. when take out the job growth related to the credit/housing/consumption bubble.
2. Outsourcing of Manufacturing and IT jobs to low labor cost production nations will continue and strengthen even when the credit markets stabilize. The American worker cannot compete with $2/hr. labor. They just cannot.
3. The economy is still largely dependent on the U.S. consumer. Paying a percentage of the workforce to NOT work allows them to continue consuming which will save some jobs.
4. This program would be paid for by cutting defense spending, raising corporate taxes on mega corporations, and closing tax loopholes.
By paying a significant percentage of the U.S. workforce to stay home and NOT work, we will do more to stabilize and support the economy. We will be saving the jobs of the people who are dependent on consumer spending.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5505879&mesg_id=5505879
And the leemings fall right in line.
:banghead:
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Dupe. The original is pinned at the top.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27804.0.html
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Terrific idea.
Rush hour traffic jams will be relieved, unemployment insurance will go down, promotions for those who do work will be less competitive, office politics will be minimized, more efficiency resulting from less water cooler time because workloads will be increased, employee discounts will be more lucrative, etc.....
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Dupe. The original is pinned at the top.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27804.0.html
Oops! I try to be careful about dupes. Oh well, can't get it right all the time.
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Oops! I try to be careful about dupes. Oh well, can't get it right all the time.
Nothing to worry about, sir.
Nobody's duplicated more threads than franksolich.
In fact, I can "boast" of having the first 4 threads ever duplicated on conservativecave, just after our new digs got underway.
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The OP's suggested policy is already in effect. Since I was laid off and went on unemployment, my checking account actually has a little more money in it than when I was working.
Consider me a man of leisure.
:cheersmate:
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The OP's suggested policy is already in effect. Since I was laid off and went on unemployment, my checking account actually has a little more money in it than when I was working.
Consider me a man of leisure.
:cheersmate:
You can save on gas not having to drive to work and back. :cheersmate:
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You can save on gas not having to drive to work and back. :cheersmate:
think how we can save the planet, by just paying the people to just stay home instead of drive to work..all that gas not being burned!
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Paying people not to work, isn't that what bailouts have been all about?
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Unions do it.
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E) high inflation will devalue the very money that the government spends, so it must spend more to compensate, thus causing even more inflation.
F) with nothing of substance to back up the dollar, the government just keeps printing and spending money like there's no tomorrow and further increasing inflation and the debt. The dollar (or just about any paper money) isn't technically actual money, but a banknote; a contract of future payment with something more substantial, and eventually that debt will have to be repaid. And more dollars simply won't cut it then.
That right there is what happens, and if you want to see what it did in real life I happen to have a link I saw on Frugal Squirrel's. How to deal with inflated debt in Zimbabwe (http://bullioninsider.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-to-pay-off-your-debts-for-pennies.html)
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with nothing of substance to back up the dollar, the government just keeps printing and spending money like there's no tomorrow and further increasing inflation and the debt.
That's been going on here in the US since about 1913.
It gets a little worse after each election cycle regardless of what party is running things.
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The kindest thing I can say about that idea is that it would probably work about as well as Obama's actual stimulus plan.
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Stupid like that must hurt.
Sadly, it does not, otherwise half the DUmp would be on a morphine drip.
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The kindest thing I can say about that idea is that it would probably work about as well as Obama's actual stimulus plan.
That bad, huh....
One of the MOST STUPID comments on the DUmmie post was this one:
"This program would be paid for by cutting defense spending, raising corporate taxes on mega corporations (read WALMART), and closing tax loopholes."
1. Liberals and DUmmies ALWAYS cut defense spending. Over the years, Defense is the only budget item to have actually received less money, not just a "reduction in increase"....
2. Just where in the Hell do corporations (mega or otherwise) get their money? Newsflash, asshats! Corporations DO NOT pay taxes! They merely collect them....
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Sadly, it does not, otherwise half the DUmp would be on a morphine drip.
Sparks, how do you know that they're not already?