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Title: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on June 30, 2013, 09:29:22 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU[/youtube]
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: dixierose on July 01, 2013, 05:23:10 PM
I thought that was pretty cool. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on July 03, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
I'm not sure that it was clear that this vid has two parts, towards the end of the first part a link to the second part pops up so you have to click that.

I don't really have a problem with the first part but the second part seems more controversial to me because, although it does not come out and say it, it does suggest that our solar system is bound to some other object.

In other words, not only is our solar system orbiting the galactic core but it is also orbiting some other object.

I've understood (whether right or wrong) that our solar system occasionally pops out of the top first then the bottom of our galaxy.

In 2 dimensions it would look like an analog wave but what would cause this kind of movement?

Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: J P Sousa on July 03, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
I'm pretty much a science junkie but never saw anything like this.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on July 03, 2013, 09:52:06 PM
I'm pretty much a science junkie but never saw anything like this.

Did you watch both parts?

And if so, what did you think?
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: J P Sousa on July 03, 2013, 10:35:26 PM
Did you watch both parts?

And if so, what did you think?

Yeah saw both parts but not sure what you are referring to here;
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  In other words, not only is our solar system orbiting the galactic core but it is also orbiting some other object.
 

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Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: biersmythe on July 04, 2013, 01:20:07 AM
Well i watched both parts and didn't see anything I had not seen before on one of the science channels (but it was better in the video you posted) :II: ...i started with old Carl Sagan years ago and sifted through the the hippy shit...and been on the science channels ever since. The one thing I thought about the video was was planets don't leave contrails...lol science today believes that we travel through space and circle the galactic center...but we also go through things called the maunder cycle with the sun. This is were the libtards get their bullshit for global warming(on top of just not telling the truth)....true science gets the warm and cool cycles the maunder mins 1645 and continuing to about 1715 little ice age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum) left the planet in a cooling state. but alas we also wobble on our axis some. we don't always follow the same trail we always have around the sun (let alone the Galaxy) Things are so interconnected that it is hard to decipher one aspect from the other. So yes I like you video but added to the conversation ....hopefully more will add
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: J P Sousa on July 04, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/04/vortex_motion_viral_video_showing_sun_s_motion_through_galaxy_is_wrong.html
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on July 04, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/04/vortex_motion_viral_video_showing_sun_s_motion_through_galaxy_is_wrong.html

That's a pretty good article, it's slate so it grates but I think the guy has a point.

And for me personally, his explanation removes the need for another object to create the helical motion as the system orbits the galactic centre.

Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: J P Sousa on July 04, 2013, 05:41:18 PM
That's a pretty good article, it's slate so it grates but I think the guy has a point.

And for me personally, his explanation removes the need for another object to create the helical motion as the system orbits the galactic centre.



I tried to find a credible source but this is the only one I could find with a quick search. I don't recall seeing anything like the videos you linked.

I have no education in this field only a "hobby" type interest, so I can't debate the points. 
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Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on July 04, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
I tried to find a credible source but this is the only one I could find with a quick search. I don't recall seeing anything like the videos you linked.

I have no education in this field only a "hobby" type interest. 
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I have no education in this field only a "hobby" type interest. Don't sweat it pal, ain't none of us astrophysicists

Surly I am not, I am curious though.

I don't think it hurts to talk about it.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: biersmythe on July 04, 2013, 10:22:15 PM
No not at all I think the slate link pointing out thing I missed cause of the cool 3d video is a bonus. I totally missed the sun being in front of the planets and i also didn't pick up on the amount of dips it was taking around the galactic center...I didn't know the exact number till the slate post. hobbyist here as well hope to see more stuff on space discussed.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: CG6468 on July 06, 2013, 09:31:13 AM
How long would it take, if this is factual, for the positions of the stars we see to dramatically change their apparent locations? Wouldn't the heavens be changing all the time? And yes, I would accept the facts of the tremendous differences caused by almost unmeasurable time and distance.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: EagleKeeper on July 06, 2013, 09:42:46 AM
How long would it take, if this is factual, for the positions of the stars we see to dramatically change their apparent locations? Wouldn't the heavens be changing all the time? And yes, I would accept the facts of the tremendous differences caused by almost unmeasurable time and distance.

With regard to the video I posted in the OP I don't really have a problem with stars changing locations with the exception of the north star.

I think that the article that JPSouza posted pretty much destroys the vid I posted.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: Freeper on July 06, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
I'm not sure that it was clear that this vid has two parts, towards the end of the first part a link to the second part pops up so you have to click that.

I don't really have a problem with the first part but the second part seems more controversial to me because, although it does not come out and say it, it does suggest that our solar system is bound to some other object.

In other words, not only is our solar system orbiting the galactic core but it is also orbiting some other object.

I've understood (whether right or wrong) that our solar system occasionally pops out of the top first then the bottom of our galaxy.

In 2 dimensions it would look like an analog wave but what would cause this kind of movement?



I imagine that object is 0bama's head.

Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: CG6468 on July 06, 2013, 10:43:18 AM
I imagine that object is 0bama's head.

No, his head is not visible since it's up his ass.
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: Freeper on July 06, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
No, his head is not visible since it's up his ass.

If I said his head was in a black hole, would that be racist?  :-)

Sorry I will stop hijacking this thread now.

Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: obumazombie on July 06, 2013, 12:00:48 PM
If I said his head was in a black hole, would that be racist?  :-)

Sorry I will stop hijacking this thread now.


Too late, and on top of that, you're a holist !
Title: Re: This is an image that might give some insight to the way that Sol system moves
Post by: CG6468 on July 06, 2013, 12:01:26 PM
If I said his head was in a black hole, would that be racist?  :-)

Sorry I will stop hijacking this thread now.

No, it wouldn't.

And so will I.