You can add "it's for the children" to the list of liberal lies.
BrentWil (1,997 posts)
Would you buy your way out of bad public schools by sending your child to a private school?
If you could afford it, would you buy your way out of bad public schools by sending your child to a private school? Or would you support the local public schools, no matter what?
graham4anything (2,680 posts)
2. NO.
the disadvantages are far outweighed by the long term benefits of segregating kids in some tonied private school.
Kids who get out of private school, then say, go to a large major college find it hard to adapt when they no longer think they are "special". Same with religious schools (grade/middle(or as we call it here in NY area-junior high schools).
IF I had my way there would be no private schools, they would all be public, and I would make teachers rotate to all districts rich or poor.
JVS (59,833 posts)
3. I probably wouldn't want to live with a bunch of people who won't pay for quality schools.
But I guess if I had to live there, I'd consider any options. The only people who I view as being morally obligated to send their kids to the public school are the teachers, administrators, and politicians. The reason for this is that the quality of the school depends a good deal on them fulfilling their responsibilities.
Sidwell Friends
google it
lbrtbell (2,126 posts)
17. Japanese schools aren't "successful"
They value rote memorization (= cram schools) over critical thinking. Conformity is rammed down students' throats--from wearing uniforms to kids being ostracized if they have the "temerity" to ask the teacher questions. And widespread bullying was a problem in Japan decades before it reached critical mass here in the USA.
Hell is to be a Japanese student.
liberal_at_heart (2,114 posts)
18. you don't have to go to that extreme but American kids could stand
to have their expectations raised a little. Kids can rise to a challenge. In fact done right rising to a challenge and actually accomplishing something raises their self esteem. With our family the way we handled it was we told our able bodied child that she had to keep a B average. An occasional C was okay but it was not to be the norm. If she does not understand a topic in class she is expected to seek out help from teachers, fellow students, and after school tutoring clubs. One adjustment we made with our daughter is we found we were pushing too hard for a specific GPA. We wanted to see if she could hit a 3.5 GPA. Even with seeking out help she just couldn't reach a 3.5 GPA so we stopped pushing for it. But we still expect her to work hard, seek out help, and do her best. With our autistic child we tell him that he must put forth an effort but we do not focus on grades with him. With him the expectation is to try hard. If we notice that he is not trying hard he gets in trouble. If he is doing his very best then we are happy with whatever grade he gets.
HiPointDem (9,158 posts)
76. plenty of kids doing poorly in school already have more 'challenges' than they can handle. the
ability to rise to a challenge depends on a lot more than simply setting out a challenge & expecting them to rise.
it depends on parental support such as you are giving your own child & social support such as safe communities with decent-paying jobs and career paths for the adults that allow parents enough time with their families to support their children, as you do. or else enough income to buy reasonable substitutes for such parental support (as the super-rich do).
your personal situation is not everyone's situation.
So, instead you teach them to lay down and wait for someone else to make their lives better.
50 some-odd years into that and you've only made quality worse for greater quantities.
But hey...
...at least you have a solid voting base.
FrodosPet (710 posts)
24. The community of children is more important than one child
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Perhaps if people quit putting THEIR children above ALL children, this would be a more egalitarian society.
Like Clinton and Obama?
Do you think the Kennedy clan -- of "No Child Left Behind" fame -- sends their kids to public schools?
pnwmom (41,306 posts)
55. You can support your public schools while still refusing to sacrifice your child's life
to them, if they're bad or even if they're just not right for your child.
Each of my children went to a combination of public and independent schools, depending on what they needed at the time. But I always worked hard for and contributed financially to public school levy campaigns.
RandySF (5,226 posts)
59. We had to buy our way out of daily bullying.
Our son was getting hit and otherwise bullied at least once a week with little help from administration. San Francisco has school choice but our options were schools that were actually worse. So, we bailed.
A lot of the DUmbasses in that thread took their kids out of public schools over bullying.
Wait.
What?
Private, market-based schools have less violence?
Religious schools have less violence?
But the government is besterest!
Case in point: us rednecks don't put up with none of that bullying because we don't believe in peace and love, we believe in kicking ass of anyone who pisses you off.
It keeps the peace.
RandiFan1290 (1,071 posts)
79. I really hope most of you are around
to see the destruction your greed is causing to this country. I hope you see what your kids have to deal with as well. So many of you sound like republicans it is disgusting.
no_hypocrisy (24,727 posts)
87. No. I'd find a way of starting an innovative and free afterschool program that
tutored and augmented the public school classes in order to give the kids a better chance.
Sure you would.
gollygee (10,944 posts)
88. You are buying into their propaganda
That's the whole point - to make public education so bad that people won't want to use it, and then to offer vouchers toward private schools.
HiPointDem (9,158 posts)
92. and it's deliberate. deliberate destruction.
Stupid people and their lying eyes.
ProSense (91,967 posts)
93. Yes.
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"That's the whole point - to make public education so bad that people won't want to use it, and then to offer vouchers toward private schools."
It's very deliberate.
Could Federal Educational Vouchers Aimed at the Poor and Useable in Public Schools Work?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002312347
Jindal voucher overhaul unconstitutionally diverts public funds to private schools, judge rules
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014322479
Look at all the love for private schools and the negativity toward public schools. Then people wonder why the RW gets to target public school, under funding them in efforts to push privatization.
This also plays directly into the attitude toward teachers and unions. I wonder how many people here support Jindal's plan?
LWolf (34,794 posts)
91. I would
quit electing politicians who deform public education, and start electing people who will support public education.
Public schools aren't "bad." They do the best they can with the resources they are given. Not good enough? Do a better job of supporting them.
I am a product of public education. So are my two sons. My grandson is currently in a public middle school.
**** the Educational Industrial Complex. We pay more for public education than most nations in the world -- combined. All it does is created dependency, crime and ignorance.
IOW: Democrats.
So, while they bitch about non-public schools taking
resources power from public schools they voted for a preezy who (with admitted terrorist Bill Ayers) ran the Annenburg Challenge; an initiative that -- while it failed spectacularly (quelle surprise!) -- created dozens of alternative schools.
And of course, let's not overlook the real point: it's not just about the money, as people who send their kids to private schools also pay into the tax base (more than the moocher peasants they prop-up). It's about keeping future gernations held hostage in their indoctrination camps.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021953969BTW -- check-out how many of the shitheads admit to living in affluent communities.
