Men of DU: What are YOU going to do for women, once we drop to third class citiz

[dutch508]

Coventina (22,998 posts)
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Men of DU: What are YOU going to do for women, once we drop to third class citizens?

Yes, I am putting you on the spot.

Is it fair? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

We women, already second class citizens in this country, are about to lose autonomy over our bodies.

So what are you going to do about it?

I want to know, because our personhood is being taken away, even though we have insisted on it.

And don't give my any business about how a woman might be involved, this is coming from a patriarchal mentality and religion. So don't try using her as a dodge.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?!?!?!

 

Star Member bullwinkle428 (19,893 posts)

1. I'm already a regular donor to Planned Parenthood, but I would absolutely

donate to affiliated organizations that would provide funding to allow women without the necessary means to travel to states where the procedure remains legal.

 

Star Member Hortensis (49,343 posts)

116. Very responsible and generous, but the women the OP describes would unfortunately seem to feel owed a lot more.

I'm thinking that women who'd lost autonomy over their bodies (both real and imagined that interfered with competence) would actually need an empowered and principled patriarchal type to provide protection. Obviously some diplomatic skills might be required, but hopefully a handy relative or friend would be available if no husband. Responsibilities would include keeping her on the right side of the law whenever she needed you to have an abortifacient available. Barring very bad luck or lack of cooperation with this assistance, there at least should be no need for transportation to abortion clinics.

If you were up for the job and it came to that, though, I would suggest being careful who you offer the assistance of your male autonomy. Somehow I suspect very few would feel that you owed them anything -- and even fewer "grateful" for the concern.

 

Doodley (8,111 posts)

3. I'm going to carry on treating women in the best way possible.

 

nini (16,433 posts)

5. The Men of DU aren't the problem

Women who bought into the religious doctrine and right wing BS are.

They are the ones to be targeted with our rage.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

6. I'm not saying they are the problem. I'm asking for ACTION.

And no, because a woman becomes brainwashed into believing herself "lesser than" does not make her the root problem.
The Patriarchy is the problem.

 

Star Member brush (38,497 posts)

8. We will be voting against republicans. And we should all, men and women...

blast the GQP 24/7 for their anti-women rulings. Every woman should certainly vote against republicans in '22.

BTW, go after republicans, not DU men. Men on DU are allies or we wouldn't be here.

Star Member BlackSkimmer (43,006 posts)

12. Yeah, I'm a woman and I'm not getting this OP. At best it's divisive, and at worst, accusatory.

Never mind the fact women can take care of themselves.

I consider the men of DU to be allies in this issue.

Just wrong on so many levels, unfair to both men and women here. Smh.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

14. Please feel free to alert.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything.

I'm asking WHAT WILL MEN DO?


On edit: dumb error on my part.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

37. All I'm asking is what are liberal men willing to do?

Apparently, that hurts their feelings.

Star Member BlackSkimmer (43,006 posts)

42. Your tone is accusatory. There's no reason that men here should have to explain to you what they do, probably most of them regularly.

Perhaps you don’t realize how your OP is coming across, despite both men and women pointing it out.

Star Member iemanja (47,408 posts)

62. You're more concenred with her "tone" then the fact women are about to lose basic civil rights.
"Tone" has a long and clear meaning in dismissing women's concerns.

 

Star Member iemanja (47,408 posts)

69. We're faced with a Scotus decision that will permanently reduce

women to chattel. Feathers need ruffling.

Star Member BlackSkimmer (43,006 posts)

70. I'm not chattel, but thanks.

Nor is anyone I know.

Star Member iemanja (47,408 posts)

74. So you're comfortable with Mississippi's abortion law?

but not with asking our allies to do their part. Your priorities are skewed.

Star Member electric_blue68 (4,814 posts)

36. Right now people esp Women are in serious pain...

bc here we are...

It's frikkin' happening in real or de facto effect after all these decades!

I figure DU Men are our allies.

I believe her Caps reflect that pain even if it appears devisive.

Star Member MineralMan (140,453 posts)

13. Continue to work to elect Democrats to office.

Continue not to impregnate anyone.

I'm 76 years old and have been successful with that so far. I've been married twice, to women who did not want to bear children, as well.

Refuse to live in or visit any state that has banned abortion or limited it to effectively ban it.

Be as supportive as possible to all efforts to restore reproductive choice everywhere.

Elect women to legislative office wherever possible. My state has two women as US Senators and more than one US congressional representative. One was elected in my congressional district.

 

TeslaNova (257 posts)

18. Why 'men of DU'?

Weird thread.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

20. Because men have the right to autonomy over their bodies and women don't.

As is evidenced by the very fact that this case is even happening.

Hope that clarifies things for you, but please feel free to ask further questions if you still are not clear about the problem.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

29. Very curious that you feel a need to deflect blame, when all I asked for is ACTION.

What are you willing to do to end women's subjugation?

It's all I'm asking.

Seems reasonable to ask on a DEMOCRATIC discussion board.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

23. Got it. Women should sit down and shut up about the Patriarchy.

Because apparently asking for help from our male allies is a trap, somehow.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

61. It was meant to be a call for action.

I appreciate that there are male allies that have helped for decades.

But right now our personhood is being challenged AGAIN.

If you think men are frustrated by this Patriarchal oppression, just try to imagine what it feels like for a woman.

I'm sorry if the post hurt your feelings.

For some reason, I thought the men of DU would respond with actions they would be willing to take to attempt to raise women up.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

93. I'm not questioning the "pro-choice" stance of men on this board.

I would never do that.
Only a troll would be on this board and anti-choice.

What I want is commitment to ACTION. Not just defense of their philosophy on a discussion board.

I haven't been around DU much for months, as I have too much to do "in real life" as they say.

I'm actually being a bit irresponsible at the moment by devoting as much time as I have to this thread.

Sure, upon reflection I probably would have changed the OP to something more like:

Men of DU please consider doing as many of the following as possible:

Run for Office
March
Phone bank
Volunteer at a clinic
Volunteer as a driver to health services
Work to open a clinic in your community
Become a community organizer

Having said all that, it is a bit discouraging when MOST (not all) the male responses on the thread, as imperfect as it is, seem obsessed with how mean ole Coventina is for INSISTING they take action.

Star Member CrackityJones75 (1,214 posts)

39. Oh please.

Cut the Bs. This was a dumb thread to start. Here you are saying you are not being divisive but you CLEARLY arr even if you didn’t intend to be. Sometimes people put their foot in their mouth. You did.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

73. You could at least acknowledge that women have the right to be angry.

And that we have the right to ask what our male allies are going to do in the face of our rights being taken away.

At least acknowledge the privilege you have to be in control of your own body and decisions of life and death thereof.

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (14,558 posts)

28. Here are some ideas for men who are stumped by the question.

* Donate regularly to Planned Parenthood, independent abortion clinics in your area, or the abortion fund in your area.

* Look into escorting at your local clinic. If you don't have a local clinic, you can support escorts in other areas with donations.

* Get comfortable talking about abortion and the terms around it. It was clear from some of the justices' questions that even they weren't fluent in the vocabulary of abortion. Learn about who gets abortions and why, and what it takes to access one.

* Read up on the concept of male privilege and look for ways to leverage yours and then ultimately dismantle it.

* Familiarize yourself with the history of the anti-abortion movement, which got its start in evangelical circles after school desegregation. It's a racial issue as much as a gender issue.

Coventina (22,998 posts)

63. It's un-****ing-believable.

Thanks for being a supportive sister to me.

The Patriarchy really hates to be even questioned, doesn't it?

Star Member DFW (44,911 posts)

102. I don't think we can adopt the Republican "Second Amendment" approach

The least I can do is get my wife, daughters and granddaughters EU (in our case, German) passports and legal nationalities, in case they should ever need them.

Ok, done.

As for the rest of you, it is time to get involved in EVERY tiny election campaign going on locally, from dog catcher on up. It is by NOT doing that , that we are in the pickle we are in. We’ll only get out of it by doing the reverse. It won’t get done overnight, just so you know this in advance.

Star Member Kaleva (28,958 posts)

106. Getting an AR15 isn't an option for me.

 

Star Member Stinky The Clown (63,633 posts)

134. This is really an unfortunate post. You're aiming at the wrong target.

I get it that women are upset. Trust me, so are MANY men.

I am old enough to know what life was like before abortion was legal anywhere. I remember when New York, a neighboring state to mine when I lived up that way, was the only place to go to get one when they first legalized abortion. I took two women friends there just to provide transportation, assistance, and comfort. Neither of those pregnancies involved me. They were friends who happened to be women. I have been a life long feminist and continue to be. I'm not perfect by any means and haven't always done the right things by women, but I am fundamentally on board with their fight.

So, in answer to your discordant note to people on your side - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?!?!?!

Just what I have been doing for more than 50 years.

Be well. You're not alone.

 

[SVPete]

I am Victim, hear me WHIIIIIIIINE!.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Wait, what?

Y'all took a back seat to trannies (you made that backseat yourselves, lefty 'women'), complained about too much masculinity, and now you want your lefty men (many if not most of which aren't truly men) to defend you?

[FlaGator]

"Men of DU", a self-contradictory statement.

[dandi]

I thought men were supposed to sit down and shut up, or was that only white men talking about race?

I get so confused about where and when we're supposed to be relevant.

[USA4ME]

And why only the “men”? What not ask what the other 384 sexes will do?

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[Texacon]

I think Clarence Thomas nailed it when he asked where in the Constitution was the protected right to abortion.  If it's not in there then it must be relegated to the states.

If the DUmmies don't like that then they should work to get an amendment passed.  Seems simple enough. 

KC

[Karin]

That was an extremely irritating and exhausting thread.  Can you imagine being around that creature in real life? 

[thundley4]

We women, already second class citizens in this country, are about to lose autonomy over our bodies.

You have the autonomy to keep your ****ing legs closed.

[Texacon]

That was an extremely irritating and exhausting thread.  Can you imagine being around that creature in real life?

I despise being around victicrats of any stripe.  I'm like you, it wears me out.  You'll never convince them they aren't a victim no matter how many facts you show them.

KC

[Aristotelian]

It's always so much fun when they turn on each other.

I have to say that I think it's a particular problem that trans-women won't be able to get abortions - ignore the fact that they can't get pregnant, that they can't share in the sisterhood's celebration of abortion shows that the TERFs need to be destroyed.

[SVPete]

IIRC, DUmmie Coventina is the sort of Pagan who in centuries past did child sacrifices. Maybe she misses the good old days.

[USA4ME]

https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php?topic=81827.msg1444831#msg1444831

Post #3952

https://legacy.paradisevalley.edu/academics/fine-and-performing-arts/art-history/faculty-page

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[Zathras]

Coventina (22,998 posts)
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Men of DU: What are YOU going to do for women, once we drop to third class citizens?

DUmbass....to drop to third class you'd have to have second class first. You haven't done that yet as every genuine member of that cesspit you call a website have no class whatsoever. Never have, never will.

[FiddyBeowulf]

Star Member MineralMan (140,453 posts)

13. Continue to work to elect Democrats to office.

Continue not to impregnate anyone.

I'm 76 years old and have been successful with that so far. I've been married twice, to women who did not want to bear children, as well.

Maybe they were concerned with where half of the child's chromosomes would come from?

[freedumb2003b]

This is simple science.

Humans are mammals.  Mammals reproduce by creating a new living being in the female of the species.  The moment of creation can scientifically identified as a zygote is created. From zygote to birth is a process.  It is impossible to scientifically determine when that zygote somehow becomes identifiable as a member of the species.  There are no scientific markers.  THUS the only scientifically identifiable marker of there being a new member of the species is when the zygote is created.  The female of the species at that moment is the HOST OF A NEW LIFE.  The life depends on her but is not "part of her" like an organ.

If women do not want to participate in this process either voluntarily or involuntarily, they can have their tubes tied.  As an aside, the women who are protesting for abortion have zero chance of ever being impregnated outside a lab.  Even with a tanker truck of beer and 10 minutes before last call.

Once a woman has her tubes tied, she then has nothing to complain about.  Women have more representation in college - as students, teachers and administrators.  In white collar jobs women are paid MORE than men for the same work. 

Women may have lost their lofty perch on the victim totem pole to trannies and now pedophiles, but they are very much there.

[enslaved1]

Coventina (22,998 posts)
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Men of DU: What are YOU going to do for women, once we drop to third class citizens?

I thought liberal women didn't need no man to do anything for them?  Can they not rise up and rebel their darn selves? 

I think Clarence Thomas nailed it when he asked where in the Constitution was the protected right to abortion.  If it's not in there then it must be relegated to the states.

If the DUmmies don't like that then they should work to get an amendment passed.  Seems simple enough. 

KC

Heard an interesting theory on the radio, the libs may be hoping for abortion to go back to the states so they can use it as a major platform plank in the midterms and in state races.  It was just a hunch, but that does sound like a good back up plan for them if they lose the precious right (that numerous Dem lawmakers have had decades to actually make federal laws about instead of deferring to RvW) at the federal level. 

[SVPete]

Star Member MineralMan (140,453 posts)

13. Continue to work to elect Democrats to office.

Continue not to impregnate anyone. 1.

I'm 76 years old and have been successful with that so far. I've been married twice, to women who did not want to bear children, as well. 2.

1. Oopsie, MM got a little too honest. Many Proggies support acortion because it enables consequences-free promiscuity.

2. Well, that's a relief!

[Texacon]

I thought liberal women didn't need no man to do anything for them?  Can they not rise up and rebel their darn selves? 

Heard an interesting theory on the radio, the libs may be hoping for abortion to go back to the states so they can use it as a major platform plank in the midterms and in state races.  It was just a hunch, but that does sound like a good back up plan for them if they lose the precious right (that numerous Dem lawmakers have had decades to actually make federal laws about instead of deferring to RvW) at the federal level.

They have no one to blame but themselves for this.  Had they not pushed for abortion up to and including the day of birth, we may never have gotten to this point.  They always reach for more, more, more, then when it FINALLY, mercifully gets snatched from them for overreach, they want to cry.

KC

[Wineslob]

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?!?!?!

Have my wife get me a beer and a sammich after a bout of fantastic sex.