The Perverseness & lack of compassion from the DUers

[terry]

liberalhistorian  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-07-09 09:52 PM
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Sorry, kid, but just drop dead already!
   
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This story in a major paper in my state, from my former town, still has me so angry that I can't think straight hours after reading it. Yet another example of why we MUST get these bloodsucking insurance companies out of health care once and for all and why any "reform" that consists of requiring everyone to buy insurance simply won't cut it.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2009/01/07/new...

Sanford Health Systems pretty much owns Sioux Falls, the largest city in the state, and is a major state insurer (unfortunately). I would like to know who that insurance "doctor" is who "reviewed" the matter for Sanford Insurance and who cut out the section of the study that showed that children with Cooper's type of brain tumor who were treated after a relapse had an EIGHTY percent chance of a successful outcome. That ****ing sellout should give up his license. But that'll never happen, I'm sure the money's too good for him to pass up.


I particularly like the challenge, in the comments section, to those who voted for Issue 11, the measure to ban abortions in the state, to pony up and start "walking their talk." If each one of them gave even a few bucks, Cooper's family could pay for it. But who the hell has $400,000 just laying around? Oh, that's right, the mucky-muck executives who are helping themselves to the bailout with no acountability. Where is this child's bailout? Why is his life not worth as much?

I don't have much right now, but I intend to donate what I can. Let's all try to get this poor child the treatment that will save his life. Let's try to get this out to as many people, including the media, as possible. And let's get these damned insurance companies that are killing us OUT OF THE WAY once and for all!

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It is a truly tragic story, but I wonder why people think that treatments that are denied by insurance companies would be covered by the government.

When I see this story, I see the tragedy.  I think the exact same tragedy would occur with a single payer system.   The difference would be that it wouldn't matter if a generous donor came up with the cash, it wouldn't matter if the family held fundraisers.  The treatment just would not be available no matter anyone's ability to pay.   It wouldn't be only children under that one company that is denied that particular treatment, but all children would be denied if that's what the "single payer" decided.  At least under the system most DUer's seem to want.   A system that everyone must participate in.

This family doesn't have good options but they do have some options.   Options that I doubt would be available under a single payer system.  

[asdf2231]

Lisa (Liberalhistorian) is a good person.

There are big areas where the agree to disagree comes into play but she has a good heart.

[terry]

Lisa (Liberalhistorian) is a good person.

There are big areas where the agree to disagree comes into play but she has a good heart.

I thought maybe she posted here.   Does she still?

[djones520]

Someone should tell the DUmmies to look at Oregon.  The state that will pay to have you euthanized, rather then give you pain pills.

[formerlurker]

The complaint also notes a May 2008 Wisconsin Supreme Court decision, which was based on a similar case of a 3-year-old boy with ependymoma who was denied coverage for high doses of chemotherapy followed by stem-cell transplant

As the denial was not shared with the press (or they chose not to write about it), I am going to guess that it is the stem-cell transplant that is the most costly, and the procedure that is being considered experimental.  

[franksolich]

Lisa (Liberalhistorian) is a good person.

There are big areas where the agree to disagree comes into play but she has a good heart.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, we all like Lisa.

But she's got some really stupid notions, including this bird-brained idea that under governmental medical insurance, things'll be covered that aren't covered under private medical insurance.

Even nice people can be retarded at times.

[MrsSmith]

It does seem that Lisa didn't look to far before ranting about those who would save unborn children but not give to save this little boy...

Sturgis - There will be chili feed fundraiser on Nov. 28 to benefit 2-year-old Cooper Urbaniak who is recovering from a brain tumor and will be undergoing radiation treatment. A free will offering will be taken at the feed, which will be held at St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church Parish Hall on Howard Street. The event will run from 4 to 7 p.m.

Students raise $1,400

 

The student council at Sturgis Williams Middle School recently spearheaded a drive to raise money for the community Angel Tree by selling strips of red and green colored paper to their classmates for 5 cents apiece. The strips of paper were signed by the buyer, then taped together and linked with thousands of others to make garlands that now adorn the halls of SWMS.

 

The goal was to raise $1,000 and to sponsor 40 children from the Angel Tree. The fifth through eighth grade students and staff surpassed that goal, raising almost $1,400. The extra money, together with money raised from a cap day, will be given to Cooper Urbaniak and his family to help defray medical expenses associated with his brain tumor.

I have no doubt that this community has a bank account started, and donation jars everywhere.  

[BEG]

I haven't read the article yet but I thought I would comment anyway. About two years after I had my stroke my neurologist wanted to try IVIG (Intravenous immunoglobulin) as an experiment to try to get my disease into remission.  His claim was that my disease is very similar to Kawasaki's Disease and that IVIG is very successful in treating Kawasaki's.  It is very expensive, my treatment cost about $12k a month and I had it for a year.  He got involved when my insurance company had turned the procedure down twice through the normal channels then he personally got involved and got it covered.  It breaks my heart thinking of a child with a tumor and cant get treatment, even experimental treatment.  I wonder if the doctor has been this childs advocate and personally tried to get it covered through their insurance?

That being said, government controlled health care would be worse for people like this, not better.  Government controlled health care would be best for people who only needed to visit their GP a few times a year and had minor surgery.  Anything more serious would be a crap shoot.

[terry]

As the denial was not shared with the press (or they chose not to write about it), I am going to guess that it is the stem-cell transplant that is the most costly, and the procedure that is being considered experimental.  

I think it's likely that it's actually a stem cell rescue.   They harvest the child's own stem cells, tons of them and store them.    Then they take the child to brink of death with very, very high doses of chemo and radiation.   Then they rescue the child by giving them back their saved stem cells.   The controversial part is that many brain tumors are not responsive to chemo.   They have the child on regular doses of chemo now and the tumor has responded, so that would be an indication that the chemo could work.  

[USA4ME]

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, we all like Lisa.

But she's got some really stupid notions, including this bird-brained idea that under governmental medical insurance, things'll be covered that aren't covered under private medical insurance.

Even nice people can be retarded at times.

Agreed.  You want to see real rationalized healthcare?  Just go to a gov't single payer/universal healthcare system.

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[Thor]

Title edited at the behest of the family.

[AllosaursRus]

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, we all like Lisa.

But she's got some really stupid notions, including this bird-brained idea that under governmental medical insurance, things'll be covered that aren't covered under private medical insurance.

Even nice people can be retarded at times.

Nice? Yer kiddin' right? She still belongs to one of the most vile sites on the net! Liars, cheaters and thieves make up the majority of that place.

I don't think nice or "a good person" quite describes anyone willing to post in that sewer of humanity! I could be wrong, but I judge people by who they hang out with.

If they had an ounce of dignity, they sure as hell would beet feet from that slime hole!

ETA?

Title edited at the behest of the family.

So how bad was it Thor? Knowin' DUmbasses I'll bet they didn't give a **** for the family. PM me, I'd like to know.

As the denial was not shared with the press (or they chose not to write about it), I am going to guess that it is the stem-cell transplant that is the most costly, and the procedure that is being considered experimental. 

This sounds much more like an HMO instead of insurance. It ain't the same, and don't let anyone compare the two. I've had to tap insurance quite a bit over the last few years, and I have yet to be turned down outright. They might balk on how much they will cover or the dollar amount, but this sounds more like an HMO where it has to go before a board. Much like what will happen with ObwanaCare!

[Thor]

Not bad, just a request. I pointed out that we merely reposted the original article from DU..

[AllosaursRus]

Not bad, just a request. I pointed out that we merely reposted the original article from DU..

Ah. I figured they were bein' there usual disgusting selves. Sympathy is a commodity sorely lacking at the DUmp no matter who it is.

[dutch508]

Lisa (Liberalhistorian) is a good person.

There are big areas where the agree to disagree comes into play but she has a good heart.

maybe we can get it donated to Dick C.

**** 'em. Leftists can stew in their own hate and die early.

[DumbAss Tanker]

She is quite mistaken to assume the insurance companies are run by Conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are every bit as capable of doctrinaire bureaucracy, in fact I find they have a truly superior knack for it.

[thundley4]

She is quite mistaken to assume the insurance companies are run by Conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are every bit as capable of doctrinaire bureaucracy, in fact I find they have a truly superior knack for it.

Witness the bureaucracy  one encounters when dealing with "civil servants", many of whom are DemonRats and union members.

[GOBUCKS]

Government controlled health care would be best for people who only needed to visit their GP a few times a year and had minor surgery.  Anything more serious would be a crap shoot.

It's apparently worse than a crap shoot. In socialist utopias, with no unemployment and free medical care for all, everyone who can afford it comes to America for any medical attention more serious than a checkup.

[Varokhâr]

She is quite mistaken to assume the insurance companies are run by Conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are every bit as capable of doctrinaire bureaucracy, in fact I find they have a truly superior knack for it.

Indeed. I've known conservatives to make a few blunders, but it's usually the Left that really screws things up.

A big heart is great, but not when you use it as a substitute for your brain. Nice people can still be stupid.

[true_blood]

I don't believe in redistribution of wealth, therefor, I hate this HELLCARE bill. Besides the fact that it makes gubberment bigger.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Nice people can still be stupid.

True, but I wasn't being that charitable  - most of the DUmmies and many Liberals in general would fit in seamlessly in a circa-1790 Committe of Public Safety in France, viciously killing opponents and innocents in huge numbers through bureaucratic rubrics or algorithms that classified them as 'enemies of the state/rvolution,' all with no remorse or compassion, in the sanctimonious belief it was somehow all for 'The greater good.'