A "constitutional reason" is no reason to refuse a vaxx

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DFW (43,591 posts)


A medical reason for not getting vaxxed is legit. A "constitutional reason" is not

I have seen quotes recently about how anti-vaxxers are saying it is their constitutional right to refuse vaccination against Covid-19. Well, yes, technically, they are correct. It is also their constitutional right to attempt to swim solo from Maine to Bermuda. Other than feeling slight misgivings about eating tuna caught in the western North Atlantic in the few weeks following such an attempt, I don't care about the idiot swimmer. If a vaccination poses a real dire medical threat to someone, and a competent physician confirms this, THAT is a legitimate reason for passing on getting inoculated. Saying you heard on Fox Noise that it was all a libbrul plot is not.

The anti-vaxxers are walking petri dishes for new mutations that could ultimately kill me or people I care about. Even gun owners who walk around in states with open carry are considered a public menace if they walk around with those guns drawn and pointed at people.

How about this for a Constitutional Amendment? "The right of the people to not be constantly subjected to mortal danger from irrational fanatics, foreign or domestic, shall not be infringed."

How's this for a medical reason?

Lead poisoning would be bad for your health.

TreasonousBastard (38,421 posts)

1. Agreed. I doubt I'm the only one not impressed by amateur historians, would-be lawyers, and...

just plain idiots making claims about things they simply don't understand.

I know it would be wrong on many levels, but sometimes I wish for a serious test to "officially" make it to adulthood.

said the not-a-Ph.D. in Virology

DFW (43,591 posts)

2. There's an idea

Instead of an "Intelligence quotient (IQ)" devise a test for a "Maturity quotient," an MQ, if you will, and make ineligible for public office those who do not possess any.

Shall we traipse over to the mental health forum on DU?

leftieNanner (10,388 posts)

3. Our County is only 46% vaccinated!

Just learned that yesterday. Lots of hippy anti-vaxxers (don't believe in ANY vaccines ever). I never stopped masking and will be going back into lockdown mode. Damn it!

Star Member DFW (43,591 posts)

4. I hear that back home in EU land there is quite a lot of vocal resistance, too

Of course, in France, it is enough for the government to suggest something for some people to take to the streets to protest it. If Macron were to announce a cure for cancer, the Oncologists Union would protest endangering their jobs.

Oh. So, it's not just Trump.

So, what you're saying is: The premise of your own OP is completely unscientific and based solely on political prejudice.

RockRaven (9,004 posts)

5. As far as I'm concerned, they have as much "right" to not get vaxxed as a suicide bomber has

to blow up their bomb in a public space -- none at all. It doesn't matter what they believe, they have no right to harm others by acting upon it.

When suicide bombers were detonating themselves every other day you and your ilk were making excuses for them.

Ms. Toad (27,578 posts)

8. They actually don't have a constitutional right to refuse vaccination.

If there are laws mandating it and they violate those laws, they can be subjected to the appropriate punishment. Precisely BECAUSE there is no constitutional right to refuse vaccination.

Emanations and penumbras, you ****.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215693849

[SVPete]

"Constitutional reason" means the reason for my choice is none of your damn business.

BTW, I have been vaccinated, I'm just not a Vax-Nazi Vax-Hole.

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Ms. Toad (27,578 posts)

8. They actually don't have a constitutional right to refuse vaccination.

If there are laws mandating it and they violate those laws, they can be subjected to the appropriate punishment. Precisely BECAUSE there is no constitutional right to refuse vaccination.

This from the people who claim to know this stuff.  There is no Constitutional provision to IMPOSE vaccinations.  And since medical information has been deemed to vbe Constitutionally protected the government cannot ask if one is vaccinated or not.  Which means it cannot vaccinate.  A vaccination is an assault and the People are protected from physical assault by the 4th Amendment.

You people are idiots and ignorant of the Constitution.

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The anti-vaxxers are walking petri dishes for new mutations that could ultimately kill me or people I care about. Even gun owners who walk around in states with open carry are considered a public menace if they walk around with those guns drawn and pointed at people.

Here we go again with the inane, hyperbolic comparisons between COVID and guns.

[USA4ME]

DFW

I have seen quotes recently about how anti-vaxxers are saying it is their constitutional right to refuse vaccination against Covid-19. Well, yes, technically, they are correct.

Hey Marc, speaking of “Maturity Quotient”, if you possessed any you would have realized that once you typed out to this part of your OP, it would have been time to not type anymore.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

"Constitutional reason" means the reason for my choice is none of your damn business.

BTW, I have been vaccinated, I'm just not a Vax-Nazi Vax-Hole.

At this point, vaccines are easily and readily available to anyone over the age of 12.  The messaging by the Dems/Media is shaming "Trumpians" for not taking it, while the evidence shows that far fewer inner city Blacks and Hispanics have taken it than the rest of the population.

If anyone decides not to take one, your body, your choice.  Have friends on both sides of the political spectrum who haven't had the Wu (therefore no antibodies) and refuse.

This fetish is not constructive, and don't really know what it is going to accomplish by shaming people.

[thundley4]

My Body, My Choice.

[landofconfusion80]

Better a walking petri dish than a walking test subject

[DLR Pyro]

leftieNanner (10,388 posts)

3. Our County is only 46% vaccinated!

Just learned that yesterday. Lots of hippy anti-vaxxers (don't believe in ANY vaccines ever). I never stopped masking and will be going back into lockdown mode. Damn it!

Well bless your heart.  I prefer all you nervous nellies stay locked away in your basement and to wear the mask of shame when you come out to forage for food so we will be able to tell you apart from the normal people on this planet.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Well bless your heart.  I prefer all you nervous nellies stay locked away in your basement and to wear the mask of shame when you come out to forage for food so we will be able to tell you apart from the normal people on this planet.

And the amusing part (at least to me) is that no one will miss seeing this anonymous DUmmy.

[SVPete]

leftieNanner (10,388 posts)

3. Our County is only 46% vaccinated!

Just learned that yesterday. Lots of hippy anti-vaxxers (don't believe in ANY vaccines ever). ...

How in Hades could a good little Proggie not know that there are loads of lib-Prog anti-vaxxers? And not have known it for decades?!

[landofconfusion80]

How in Hades could a good little Proggie not know that there are loads of lib-Prog anti-vaxxers? And not have known it for decades?!

I find it fascinating how many there are in the homeschooling community. Publicly funded schools aren't good enough for them. I've even got a full blown communist doing it just down the road.

[SVPete]

I find it fascinating how many there are in the homeschooling community. Publicly funded schools aren't good enough for them. I've even got a full blown communist doing it just down the road.

We homeschooled our kids "K-12". At that time the vast majority of homeschoolers, even in Silicon Valley, were Evangelical and Catholic Christians. There were a few of the former who were anti-vax - all vaccines, not any one particular disease. Sadly, many of the secular homeschoolers were hostile to Christians ("Fundamentalists", not that they understood the etymology of the term), so I didn't meet many of them. Another, largely unrelated, community that had some anti-vaxxers were the liberal hippie types who pretty much rejected "Western Medicine" and were clustered in towns in the mountains between San Jose and Santa Cruz.

We graduated our youngest in 2003, so I've been away from the homeschooling community for quite a while and don't know what the Christian-"Other"-secular mix among homeschoolers was in the more recent pre-Covid years. I suspect that Covid and CRT have altered the mix considerably.

[old dog 2]

I've always had mixed feelings about home schooling.  On the one hand you have parents escaping the public school's indoctrination and on the other you have folks like the FLDS warping the minds of their children. 

[NRAInstructor]

There exists no force of nature that could give my living body the vaccine. I will, quite literally, kill and/or be killed before I allow the poison to be injected into me.  And I would be happy to do so.  I came into this world screaming and covered in someone else's blood, I ain't afraid to leave in the same manner.

[landofconfusion80]

We homeschooled our kids "K-12". At that time the vast majority of homeschoolers, even in Silicon Valley, were Evangelical and Catholic Christians. There were a few of the former who were anti-vax - all vaccines, not any one particular disease. Sadly, many of the secular homeschoolers were hostile to Christians ("Fundamentalists", not that they understood the etymology of the term), so I didn't meet many of them. Another, largely unrelated, community that had some anti-vaxxers were the liberal hippie types who pretty much rejected "Western Medicine" and were clustered in towns in the mountains between San Jose and Santa Cruz.

We graduated our youngest in 2003, so I've been away from the homeschooling community for quite a while and don't know what the Christian-"Other"-secular mix among homeschoolers was in the more recent pre-Covid years. I suspect that Covid and CRT have altered the mix considerably.

We have a local co-op that had sign ups tonight. I think alot of families are seeing the writing on the wall because it was busting at the seams. Another year of nonsense regulations, zoom meetings and masks is very disagreeable to a large part of this area. It's already delaying the futures of public school kids and ours have a whole year ahead of them

[landofconfusion80]

I've always had mixed feelings about home schooling.  On the one hand you have parents escaping the public school's indoctrination and on the other you have folks like the FLDS warping the minds of their children.

You for sure get the weird ones, but that's the exception,  not the rule. The other side of it is how many freakshows did you see in public schools?  A big part of my motivation for doing it is that my kids find their ways earlier, they focus on their interests and they learn how to properly function in public settings. You can see the difference when there are public school kids mixed with home school. They act like little well behaved adults

[SVPete]

I've always had mixed feelings about home schooling.  On the one hand you have parents escaping the public school's indoctrination and on the other you have folks like the FLDS warping the minds of their children.

That is the same "reasoning" Christian-hating Dem pols, educrats, teacher's unions, Child Protective Services social workers, and DU-grade Progs use to attack Christian homeschoolers.

The proper answer is that how I use my freedom, legally, is no one's business. The same applies to all homeschoolers.

[enslaved1]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/07/31/vegans-may-be-exempt-from-compulsory-vaccines-protected-belief-law-firm-claims/

It's in Britain, but how long before some US nutter tries it?  Will the double think cause actual exploding heads amongst moonbats who worship both carrots and the almighty vaccine?

[SVPete]

While animal products are not used to produce the AZ vaccine, the one most used in the UK, AFAIK, every vaccine and every medication is tested with animals. Contrary to one anti-Covid-vaxxer lie, the several Covid vaccines were tested on animals. Do these supposed vegan-objectors reject all medications? or is this just an anti-Covid-vaxxer ploy?

I've posted it before, I oppose vaccine mandates.

While I'm sure there are vegans who are conservatives who voted for Trump, probably most vegans are Lib/Prog.